Yet another WWYD OT post

I disagree.

I agree with the "your house, your rules," part but as the mother of 5...

When my children are at other houses, I tell them they have to go by "house rules" AND our rules.

While I agree riding a bike on a dead end street, playing with a bunch of neighborhood kids might not be a big deal, the point is children need to learn to follow the rules and safety guidelines their parents put in place for them.

My son goes to play with friends who have dirt bikes & 4-wheelers, etc. He has no experience driving either, and it is my rule, that he is not allowed on them. These parents respect my wishes. Their child has the choice to either, 1) not invite my son over, or 2) not ride his dirt bike while my son is visiting.

I agree if you are speaking of friends, but this is a FAMILY situation. The parents in question are siblings. IMO, and IME there is normally a greater level of trust and responsibility devolving on the adult when the child who is visiting is family.

If a friend is over and misbehaves in such a way that I think play needs to stop, I call the parent and tell them the child must leave and why. If a sibling's child is over at my house and misbehaves, I discipline that child as I see fit, because I'm his aunt, and as such have agreed with my siblings that all children in the family are subject to the authority of all adults in the family.
(We have a few agreed-upon ground rules re: punishments that all the adults adhere to.)

Bottom line on this one is that Dad and sis need to agree to trust one another (and by extension, one another's spouses) or this situation is just going to deteriorate further.
 
ITA with this.

When the kids were younger, they didn't leave the property as much. But now that she's older and able to handle being with her friends. I need to let her do that. Personally i feel that is an important step in helping them be self aware and to give them the confidence they need to be able to handle themselves in situations when they arent with me.
I also feel it is unfair that the rules change when her cousin is here.

So I guess this is still the dilema. When we started these play dates I never saw into the future that we would have to change how we do things.

Then tell your sister in-law.

"My daughter gets to leave the yard. She gets to spend time with her friends. She can ride her bike from here to here. I no longer feel its fair to restrict her activities to your comfort level in order to keep your son happy. If your son wants to be here you and he have two choices - either, he can live by our household rules - which means that he will get to leave the yard to play, or he can play with the younger boys. But I will no longer be enforcing your rules on my daughter when your son is around."
 
Wow... what a situation to be in. While I can certainly understand that we as parents need to be very cautious with our kids (given the increase in sickos now-a-days), I would be torn just as you are. I think I would have to sit down with my DD and ask her how she feels about the situation and see how she would like to handle it. In the end, I would think the cousin would have less visits to the house. I'm not about to place restrictions on my DD just because another parent wants to be more restrictive. Especially a parent as paranoid as your SIL.

There is no documented increase in sick-os. There is more prosecution of sick-os and reporting of abuse. They occur at a pretty consistent rate - if anything, there is likely fewer of them now since when they get caught now, we don't make excuses and cover it up.
 
Is your SIL a single parent? I can't tell, from your posts, if your nephew's father is in the picture. And I think you're right - she has some serious issues!
 

No, he's as normal as his situation allows him to be. He does seem to be a little behind socially than the other kids I know his age. My guess is it's because he doesn't have friends.

I honestly think she is "sick". I've told my husband that I think his family really needs to intervene.

Here's a story that i feel really shows what I mean(and trust me there are a million like this one).
I was at Target with my 3 kids a couple years ago. We ran into my sil and my nephew. We ended up inviting them over for dinner. When we were leaving my nephew wanted to go in my car with the other kids. She reluctantly agreed, we transferred his car seat, she buckled him in and then she followed me home.
Two minutes after we left Target she called me on my cell in histerics. she wasn't sure if I had her son, she couldn't remember if she put him in my car. I assured her I had her son and he was just fine.
Another 2 minutes go by and she calls me again, crying that she wasnt sure that I had her son. She finally said she needed me to pull over and put him back in her car.


And like I said there are more stories like this. It is a very bizarre situation.

Oh, my. I would agree, something there isn't right.
 
I'd just let her know that your dd is going to be out playing in the neighborhood and ask if her son can play too or will he need to visit with his younger cousins.

I don't think an implication of "I'm not going to let my daughter suffer because you are overprotective" is necessary. Just be clear what will be happening and what he can participate in. Keep the negative implications out of it as much as possible.

Maybe one day you can keep her home to visit with her cousin and the next day you let her go off and it can be "boy time" at home.
 
Well, after reading the thread, I think you just have a tough decision to make, and it sounds like DH, DSIL, or the kids aren't going to help you out with this one. You are going to have to decide if your priority is raising a happy, well-adjusted, capable and independent daughter, or if your priority is being the social life (sort of, with his cousin) and support for your nephew.

From the way you described DSIL, it doesn't sound like compromise is a possibility. I believe the closest you will get to an acceptable compromise, will only be compromise on your side, that is sitting down with DD as suggested and reviewing your nephew's situation honestly and openly with her and asking her to make the sacrifice one night a week.

I understand that that's not fair to your DD, particularly during the school year, when play time is in short supply, but it would be a good lesson in compassion for her.

If you're not prepared to ask that of DD, then, I think you have your answer. Good luck! :hug:
 
I understand that that's not fair to your DD, particularly during the school year, when play time is in short supply, but it would be a good lesson in compassion for her.

Compassion is important to learn. Its also important to learn not to be the enabler for someone else's dysfunction.
 
Is your SIL a single parent? I can't tell, from your posts, if your nephew's father is in the picture. And I think you're right - she has some serious issues!

No, not a single parent. i don't know her husband very well. He doesn't come to family functions, and if we go to their house he either isn't home or on his computer.
 
Compassion is important to learn. Its also important to learn not to be the enabler for someone else's dysfunction.

True, but in this case, if there is a dysfunction, it's the DSIL, not the nephew, who has the problem. The nephew shouldn't be penalized or forgotten about simply because he had the misfortune to be her son. DSIL has the same rules regardless of if the boy is at home or at his cousin's, so there's really no "enabling" going on. If this family is willing to have him over and at least let him see how home life there is different than his house, and even if the other neighborhood friends come and play with the daughter and the nephew for a small amount of time, I believe that will still be a good experience for the boy.

That said, I'm not saying that OP should necessarily keep having him over. I'm saying OP needs to evaluate the situation looking at her family priorities, how serious the situation with DSIL is, and whether her DD is mature enough to make the sacrifice and learn that sometimes it's right to sacrifice to help someone whose situation is worse than your own and that can be rewarding too.
 
Well, after reading the thread, I think you just have a tough decision to make, and it sounds like DH, DSIL, or the kids aren't going to help you out with this one. You are going to have to decide if your priority is raising a happy, well-adjusted, capable and independent daughter, or if your priority is being the social life (sort of, with his cousin) and support for your nephew.

From the way you described DSIL, it doesn't sound like compromise is a possibility. I believe the closest you will get to an acceptable compromise, will only be compromise on your side, that is sitting down with DD as suggested and reviewing your nephew's situation honestly and openly with her and asking her to make the sacrifice one night a week.

I understand that that's not fair to your DD, particularly during the school year, when play time is in short supply, but it would be a good lesson in compassion for her.

If you're not prepared to ask that of DD, then, I think you have your answer. Good luck! :hug:

I understand what you are saying about compassion, but I also don't think thats fair. My daughter knows that he just doesn't have as many feedoms as she does, but she doesn't understand why. We don't discuss how crazy her aunt is around her. She loves her aunt and even though she knows her aunt is different, she doesn'y know to what extent. And it simply isn't appropriate for her to know any specifics.

So to say she could be compassionate, well, compassionate of what? Shes 8, we aren't going there.
 
I understand what you are saying about compassion, but I also don't think thats fair. My daughter knows that he just doesn't have as many feedoms as she does, but she doesn't understand why. We don't discuss how crazy her aunt is around her. She loves her aunt and even though she knows her aunt is different, she doesn'y know to what extent. And it simply isn't appropriate for her to know any specifics.

So to say she could be compassionate, well, compassionate of what? Shes 8, we aren't going there.

I agree that it is not appropriate for her to know the details and I apologize if I offended you. I totally get that she's 8 and you're trying to encourage her confidence, independence, and social skills, and keeping her "chained" to her cousin at home doesn't exactly line up with those goals. Being a supportive, positive influence on your nephew is a valid, worthwhile goal as well. From your posts, it seems to me that you are conflicted about this situation. I was attempting to point out that from what you have said, DSIL isn't going to change her mind or be persuaded in anyway, so you just have to decide which of these goals is your priority for the immediate future. I really wasn't trying to tell you to keep having the nephew over, but I did want to point out that if you do, a positive outcome for your daughter will be that, with your guidance, she can learn to have compassion for those who are in a different life situation from herself.

I truly hope that you find a workable solution to this, and again, really didn't mean to offend you.
 
No, he's as normal as his situation allows him to be. He does seem to be a little behind socially than the other kids I know his age. My guess is it's because he doesn't have friends.

I honestly think she is "sick". I've told my husband that I think his family really needs to intervene.

Here's a story that i feel really shows what I mean(and trust me there are a million like this one).
I was at Target with my 3 kids a couple years ago. We ran into my sil and my nephew. We ended up inviting them over for dinner. When we were leaving my nephew wanted to go in my car with the other kids. She reluctantly agreed, we transferred his car seat, she buckled him in and then she followed me home.
Two minutes after we left Target she called me on my cell in histerics. she wasn't sure if I had her son, she couldn't remember if she put him in my car. I assured her I had her son and he was just fine.
Another 2 minutes go by and she calls me again, crying that she wasnt sure that I had her son. She finally said she needed me to pull over and put him back in her car.


And like I said there are more stories like this. It is a very bizarre situation.

Whooooaaaaaaa.

Yeah, this just left the stratosphere of anything I'd feel capable of handling or even offering advice on.

Whoa.

Poor kid, I see where you're coming from now.

Wow.

You're a good mom for taking that on. The only thing I can think of is let your daughter go hang out with her friends and you could spend the time with him showing him the normal side of mommyhood.

'Cause it looks like he's not getting any at home...
 
I agree that it is not appropriate for her to know the details and I apologize if I offended you. I totally get that she's 8 and you're trying to encourage her confidence, independence, and social skills, and keeping her "chained" to her cousin at home doesn't exactly line up with those goals. Being a supportive, positive influence on your nephew is a valid, worthwhile goal as well. From your posts, it seems to me that you are conflicted about this situation. I was attempting to point out that from what you have said, DSIL isn't going to change her mind or be persuaded in anyway, so you just have to decide which of these goals is your priority for the immediate future. I really wasn't trying to tell you to keep having the nephew over, but I did want to point out that if you do, a positive outcome for your daughter will be that, with your guidance, she can learn to have compassion for those who are in a different life situation from herself.

I truly hope that you find a workable solution to this, and again, really didn't mean to offend you.


you certainly didn't offend me. i'm just saying that in order for a person to feel compassion for someone, you must first be able to understand their situation. In this case, that isn't possible.
 
Then don't send your kids over to my house, because I'm not enforcing your rules on my kids in my own home. If your kids will self enforce the rules (my mom doesn't let me eat more than one cookie) fine - we have all sorts of kids in my home that do just that. But it isn't fair that my kids would be restricted to one cookie instead of two because your kid is over - particularly if your kid is over on as often as the OPs nephew. I'd resent my cousin as well if I were her daughter - sounds like the nephew over means she has a much more restrictive set of rules and isn't able to play with her own friends. Nor would someone with more permissive rules be able to override our household rules (we restrict sweets and soda, TV and internet.)


I would never expect YOU to enforce MY rules on YOUR children, in your own home. Never. Perhaps I should have added, my son's friend has a third option of riding his dirt bike while my son watches. That would be just fine with me, however, since this boy wanted my son to come over to play, I would think he would choose an activity they could both participate in and interact with one another.

I stand by what I've said, MY children have to go by our rules wherever they are, your children do not. My children also have to respect your rules while in your home, as well. If my children do not follow our rules, while visiting others, I would not hold the other adults responsible.

We have friends that are big time hunters, we are not, don't and never have own a gun. Their son has his own hunting rifle, (of some sort) and just because my son is a guest in his home, does not mean he can suddenly live by their rules and handle a gun.

We also have other friends who allow their son to play ball in their house. My children aren't allowed to play ball in anyone's house. She's always saying... "It's fine, they're fine." It's not fine with me... It's one thing when your own child breaks something expensive or dear to you, and a completely different thing when someone's kid breaks it. That child becomes labeled a brat or unruly, etc.

AS for the OP, here's my take on it...

  • She makes the decision to invite her nephew over. (For kind and loving reasons, but still, this boy's mother isn't asking her to care for him and her daughter isn't doing the inviting, either.)
  • Her nephew benefits from this. (Again, it's not for his mother or for her daughter.)
  • She knows his mother's expectations, but continues to invite him for the boy's sake.

The OP has a confilct with this, so does her daughter. She doesn't want to disappoint either of the children.


The OP needs to decide if he is her guest or her daughter's guest, and how they handle company, in general. Is the daughter expected to hang around the house when they have company, is it her responsibility to entertain her cousin, is it the OP's job to entertain her nephew?

The OP also needs to decide if it is more of a priority to have her nephew over, or that her daughter play with the neighborhood kids.

The OP has choices, so does her daughter, but in my opinion, challenging his mother's parenting, is not one of them. She can explain the situation, and allow his mother to decide whether he continues to come over or not.

You said, "I'd resent my cousin as well if I were her daughter - sounds like the nephew over means she has a much more restrictive set of rules and isn't able to play with her own friends."

The restrictions on her daughter have been placed there by the OP, not the boy's mother. The OP has choices.

OP -sorry, don't mean to talk about you like your not here/reading this.

Since you nephew comes over twice a week, would you consider having your daughter play with him one of those days, but allowing her to play with her friends on the other day he is there? Or, possibly cut the visits down to once a week?
 
No, not a single parent. i don't know her husband very well. He doesn't come to family functions, and if we go to their house he either isn't home or on his computer.


Wow. This family is sounding more and more dysfunctional.

Anyway...

You say your daughter hasn't been told that aunt is sick, so she doesn't understand why the cousin can't play like she does. I think you could ease into this, perhaps. Tell your daughter that aunt worries a lot, more than normal parents do (or maybe more than most parents do), and that's why cousin can't ride a bike in the street. I think she deserves to know a little bit about what's going on, since it affects her, and I think she can handle this level of knowledge. I would cut cousin's visits down to once a week. Does your weather get cold enough in the winter that the kids will be forced to play inside? If so, you might have more luck integrating him at that point.
 
Then don't send your kids over to my house, because I'm not enforcing your rules on my kids in my own home. If your kids will self enforce the rules (my mom doesn't let me eat more than one cookie) fine - we have all sorts of kids in my home that do just that. But it isn't fair that my kids would be restricted to one cookie instead of two because your kid is over - particularly if your kid is over on as often as the OPs nephew. I'd resent my cousin as well if I were her daughter - sounds like the nephew over means she has a much more restrictive set of rules and isn't able to play with her own friends. Nor would someone with more permissive rules be able to override our household rules (we restrict sweets and soda, TV and internet.)
Are your kids allowed to have sweets, soda, tv at someone else's house?

ITA with this.
Obviously you don't because you have been respecting SIL's rules.
I understand what you are saying about compassion, but I also don't think thats fair.
I think you have your answer. If you don't think it is fair to your dd, then why do you let it go on? Are you just looking for validation that it is okay to not take in your nephew a day or two a week? It's your decision to make. Either way, someone is not happy. I wouldn't worry about validation from the dis. Why can't you talk to his mom? Tell her how you feel.
 
Are your kids allowed to have sweets, soda, tv at someone else's house?

Yes. We assume they won't do anything illegal with our kids (feed them alcohol even if its a "house rule" that their kids can have some). And I tell them that my kids don't get to watch rated R movies - so if that is on the agenda, my kids can't come over (that one had to come up when we discovered one of my son's friends was allowed to watch horror movies - and we had a scared kid - now we ask - the normal reaction is shock that anyone would show their OWN ten year old horror movies. That friend has turned into one where we want a little more supervision - we encourage the sleepovers at OUR house).

But if you want to take my kids and treat them to a cotton candy dinner - we may not schedule a second play date at your house - but it won't kill them once.
 


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