Yet another teacher rant

I wonder why most of the teachers on this board assume my child is exaggerating or lying?

She did tell this teacher that the homework wasn't done because she was vomitting non-stop for 4 days. It did not matter. The tyrade continued.

BTW, this is middle school, 8h grade. Next year is high school. This is our first year in the public school system and it is considered one of the very top in the state.

In answer to how many 0s she got in 3 days: a total of 6 between all her classes. Only one of them was in history. The point is not that she got 0s (she will be able to make them up) but the comments the teacher made in front of the whole class. I am not complaining about the other teachers.
 
No really I am not putting up with it as she and I were in the principal's office regarding her behavior. She was in tears in that meeting. She was also very apologetic on the telephone and very much did not want this meeting. If it hadn't been consistent behavior I would have accepted the apology to both myself and my daughter and moved on. But it is consistent and needs to be stopped. There are only 2 teachers per grade so until she is let go, what do you want me to do? Homeschool? They switch classes and are taught by each teacher. She has been being watched and monitored this entire school year. But now she is on maternity leave so for at least awhile she is off the hook. They have to go through a process to fire her and yes, a group of parents have banned together. Switching them to the public school is not an option here so if need be, watching her like a hawk will have to do. My daughter will also have her for a subject next year, but I have already put in writing that she is not to have her for her homeroom teacher. My story is credible, as I have witnessed her misbehavior myself. So much so that they are granting my request to not have my daughter in her homeroom next year where she would have had her for multiple classes vs. just one. In the past, if the complaining parent made a request and it wasn't valid, they would not comply. This happened to a family I know this year. Nothing had happened to the child, however the mother and teacher had personality differences. The principal told her to get over it, work through it and move on. Her son was indeed put in the teacher's class that the parent had requested he NOT be in. My complaint is valid, not alone, and witnessed by other adults. So in this case, it is just not a child complaining and maybe blowing it out of proportion. It is a sad truth that is being dealt with, just slower than I would like.
 
debbiedoo said:
we have never had an issue getting homework here -- after the 1st day of sickness, can request for daily assignments to be picked up at the front office

She did have the assignment. She was just not physically able to do it.
 
I'm sorry your DD got embarrassed like that. :grouphug: to her.
 

hmp2z said:
Yep, we're the most selfish people around. I only keep teaching so I can keep drawing my big, fat paychecks. :rolleyes:
My brother makes more money bartending 5 nights than I make in a month, with my Master's degree. And yet, I wouldn't trade my job for the world, and neither would any of the other teachers I know. Maybe it's because it's all about us, and we enjoy all the glory that comes along with being a teacher. Maybe we enjoy the elevated societal rank or the fact that, with Masters degrees, the taxpayers still see fit to give us a lower salary then the average grocery store assistant manager. Maybe we enjoy the fact that the whiniest, dumbest, trashiest parent in the world, can march into the school demanding a conference and complaining because little Jimmy, who turned in 2 of his 27 assignments this quarter, got an F. Maybe we like the fact that everyone and his brother feels like he's our boss and knows our business best and can tell us what to do and how to do it.
Or maybe, just maybe, we're actually dedicated PROFESSIONALS who take all of this trash and file it in the "not worth our time" category, because we know that we're darn good at what we do, and we love the kids, and even parents like these aren't going to stand in the way of the education that we know these kids can get. Does that mean we don't have bad days, or days when we're feeling poorly ourselves, or days when we wish we had smaller classes so we could get to know each child the way we want to know them? Heck no, but most of us do our best, and if we didn't, we'd go into another, more lucrative field - take your pick - stripper? factory worker? subway driver?
Grrrr... I don't know you or your daughter's deal or how often she calls in sick or whether she does her makeup work when she's out or whether she's got a meanspirited warlock for a teacher or whether she's got a teacher who has to deal with 80-100 children each day (standard fare for a middle school) and doesn't know or have time to know exactly what was wrong with her.
All I know is that I don't believe comments like the one I quoted above are appropriate, and I absolutely believe that such comments are the reason this country is facing a critical teaching shortage. We have difficult enough working situations as it is, and I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to walk into their nearest school with 50% or greater numbers of kids on free & reduced lunch, and spend a week in a classroom.
And, to answer the OP's question about explaining this attitude, how many of you know 80-100 of your coworkers on such a personal basis that you care deeply about each and every one of them and wonder what is happening when they don't show up to work for a day or two? Unfortunately, crowded schools mean that middle/high school teachers don't have time to develop the relationship with children that elementary school teachers can afford. Sad, believe me, it saddens us, too, but until the taxpayers are willing to fund the school system adequately, it's something we're all having to live with.
Cheers!
Heather W

Paragraph breaks are our friends! :teeth:

:thumbsup2
 
punkin said:
My DD13 was home sick for 3 days (vomitting). She went back to school yesterday (with a doctor's note). She had missed assignments and gotten 0s (these get taken off when she makes up the work).



Her history teacher embarrassed my DD in class saying that if she did not do her assignments on time, she will never get into college (this is 8th grade). The fact that my baby was running a 103 fever and was vomitting for 4 days did not seem to matter. The homework was more important than her health. Can someone explain this attitude to me cause I don't get it.


Did you talk to the teacher or have you previously had problems with this teacher? The reason I ask is because there is often two sides to every story.
I am not doubting your daughter's story, and if it happened exactly as she said, I would be angry. But try to get the other side. And yes, I am a teacher, but I am also a parent.
 
There is a small percentage of losers in every profession, I don't understand why so many good teachers waste their time defending the actions of a few.

If an accountant did a terrible job and made a major mess of someones taxes, and then was condescending and rude to coworkers and clients, nobody would be defending them and saying that it's a stressful job so we should overlook the mistakes.

All you good teachers out there, thank you. Keep doing the good work you do.
 
tw1nsmom wrote:

There is a small percentage of losers in every profession, I don't understand why so many good teachers waste their time defending the actions of a few.

If an accountant did a terrible job and made a major mess of someones taxes, and then was condescending and rude to coworkers and clients, nobody would be defending them and saying that it's a stressful job so we should overlook the mistakes.

All you good teachers out there, thank you. Keep doing the good work you do.

:thumbsup2 Nicely put! :thumbsup2
 
hmp2z said:
My brother makes more money bartending 5 nights than I make in a month, with my Master's degree.


I am totally in support of teachers as I have four of them for sisters, but I gotta tell you-you have to work in another school district. I have two sisters with masters and one who is well on her way. Now, the one is now a school psychologist, so I don't know how their pay rate compares, but my other sister makes well over $75K a year. And I know you all work hard, but let's keep in mind that she still has several weeks off throughout the year and all summer off. I know about all the extra hours--mom was a teacher too--and I know the day doesn't even end when you finally walk out the door, but $75 K for 9 months a year is not bad.
 
Teacher03 said:
Did you talk to the teacher or have you previously had problems with this teacher? The reason I ask is because there is often two sides to every story.
I am not doubting your daughter's story, and if it happened exactly as she said, I would be angry. But try to get the other side. And yes, I am a teacher, but I am also a parent.

You are right; I probably should talk to her. DD has not had any problems with this teacher (aside from the usual whining about every teacher, which I really do not take seriously).
 
disneymom3 said:
I am totally in support of teachers as I have four of them for sisters, but I gotta tell you-you have to work in another school district. I have two sisters with masters and one who is well on her way. Now, the one is now a school psychologist, so I don't know how their pay rate compares, but my other sister makes well over $75K a year. And I know you all work hard, but let's keep in mind that she still has several weeks off throughout the year and all summer off. I know about all the extra hours--mom was a teacher too--and I know the day doesn't even end when you finally walk out the door, but $75 K for 9 months a year is not bad.

After 30 years, I'll only make about $45,000, so this truly depends on where you live.
 
punkin said:
She did tell this teacher that the homework wasn't done because she was vomitting non-stop for 4 days. It did not matter. The tyrade continued.

I wonder if the teacher thought your daughter was retorting with attitude (was there any tone in the way she said it), or exaggerating. Vomiting non-stop for four days is the kind of stuff that lands you in the ER. I was in the ER last week after a day and a half. Maybe the teacher thought your daughter's reply invited the rebuke, more than the homework? Not sure, just a theory.
 
Some teachers do this and it shouldn't happen. We tell kids not to bully one another, but adults do it to kids. :rolleyes: Respect works both ways. Your DD should have reminded the teacher that she was out sick.

Yes, the comment was out of line. This happens to all of us, even as adults. Can any of us really say that we don't know at least one adult person that likes to rag on and/or embarrass others? I know several, some of which are my lovely neighbors :lmao:

The point that I'm trying to make is that we need to grow a thicker skin and not allow such comments to bring us down, always consider the source. I know that's a lot harder to do when you are that age, but this is training for later life. Your DD is there to pass 8th grade and move on, remind her of that. There will be teachers that are mean, nasty or whatever, there will be adults that they will encounter along the way and at their future jobs that will be like that, too. We can't stop them, but we can certainly learn how to handle and react to them.
 
disneymom3 said:
I am totally in support of teachers as I have four of them for sisters, but I gotta tell you-you have to work in another school district. I have two sisters with masters and one who is well on her way. Now, the one is now a school psychologist, so I don't know how their pay rate compares, but my other sister makes well over $75K a year. And I know you all work hard, but let's keep in mind that she still has several weeks off throughout the year and all summer off. I know about all the extra hours--mom was a teacher too--and I know the day doesn't even end when you finally walk out the door, but $75 K for 9 months a year is not bad.

That's it. I'm going to be a teacher. :thumbsup2
 
Caradana said:
I wonder if the teacher thought your daughter was retorting with attitude (was there any tone in the way she said it), or exaggerating. Vomiting non-stop for four days is the kind of stuff that lands you in the ER. I was in the ER last week after a day and a half. Maybe the teacher thought your daughter's reply invited the rebuke, more than the homework? Not sure, just a theory.

She was vommitting so much that I had to take her to the doctor. He said that as long as there was no accompanying diarhea, she would be fine (TMI, I know, but you asked). About tone; I really can't comment as I wasn't there, but what kind of tone would make the teacher's response appropriate?
 
The kind of tone where the teacher mentioned the missed homework and your daughter might've mentioned "vomiting for four days" in a haughty, or sarcastic, or overly aggressive way? Perhaps subconsciously egged on by the fact that her friends were around her and she felt "chastised" in front of them?

Not sure if that could've occured, but more important than the way your daughter thinks she said it was the way the teacher perceived it?
 
Caradana said:
The kind of tone where the teacher mentioned the missed homework and your daughter might've mentioned "vomiting for four days" in a haughty, or sarcastic, or overly aggressive way? Perhaps subconsciously egged on by the fact that her friends were around her and she felt "chastised" in front of them?

Not sure if that could've occured, but more important than the way your daughter thinks she said it was the way the teacher perceived it?

My child came in with a doctor's note that stated she was vomitting and had a high fever. I don't care what tone she used (assuming there even was one), her teacher's comments were inappropriate regardless.
 
punkin said:
My child came in with a doctor's note that stated she was vomitting and had a high fever. I don't care what tone she used (assuming there even was one), her teacher's comments were inappropriate regardless.


ITA!!!!!
 


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