Yet another reason to dislike Barry Bonds...

septbride2002

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SAN FRANCISCO - Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn’t know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.

Bonds told the federal grand jury last year that Greg Anderson, his personal trainer, told him the substances he used in 2003 were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis, according to a transcript of his testimony reviewed by the Chronicle.

The substances Bonds described were similar to ones known as “the clear” and “the cream,” two steroids from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative at the center of the steroid scandal.

Bonds’ attorney, Michael Rains, said the leak of grand jury testimony was an attempt to smear his client. Grand jury transcripts are sealed and the Chronicle did not say who showed them the documents.

“My view has always been this case has been the U.S. vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client,” Rains told the newspaper. “And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly.”

Calls to Rains’ office from The Associated Press went unanswered Thursday night.

Tony Serra, Anderson’s lawyer, said Anderson “never knowingly provided illegal substances to anyone.”

The revelation of Bonds’ grand jury testimony was one of a series of developments in the BALCO probe, which led to indictments against four men in February.

ABC News and ESPN the Magazine released excerpts of interviews with BALCO founder Victor Conte, one of those charged in the case, in which he says he watched Olympic track star Marion Jones inject herself in the leg with human growth hormone. Jones’ attorneys denied she ever used performance-enhancing drugs. Conte’s interview with ABC’s “20/20” program was to air Friday night.

And sprinter Kelli White, who has been banned from track for two years after admitting use of several banned substances, broke down and cried Thursday as she recounted in an interview the first time she used THG, a once-undetectable steroid that BALCO is accused of providing to elite athletes. White’s comments appeared in the Chronicle, Los Angeles Times and USA Today.

On Thursday, the Chronicle reported Yankees slugger Jason Giambi told the grand jury he injected himself with human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons.

Before the Bonds story was even published, U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan said his office was concerned about the leaks to the Chronicle and asked the Justice Department to investigate.

Dozens of elite athletes testified before the grand jury last year, including baseball stars Bonds, Giambi and Gary Sheffield, and track stars Jones, White and Tim Montgomery.

The probe led to some athletes being banned from the Olympics and left a cloud of suspicion over others, such as Jones, who were allowed to compete despite the investigation.

But Bonds is the biggest star of all, the holder of baseball’s single-season home run record of 73 in 2001 and the man who could break Hank Aaron’s career homer mark of 755 as early as next year. Bonds ended last season with 703 homers and won his record seventh NL Most Valuable Player award.

It is uncertain what punishment, if any, Bonds could receive from baseball, which didn’t have penalties for steroid use until last year.

While discipline is spelled out for positive tests and criminal convictions from 2003 on, admission of illegal steroid use is not addressed, possibly giving baseball commissioner Bud Selig an opening to punish Bonds.

Selig repeatedly has called for year-round random testing and harsher penalties, but management and the players’ association have failed to reach an agreement. The contract runs through the 2006 season.

“I’ve been saying for many months: I instituted a very, very tough program in the minor leagues on steroids in 2001. We need to have that program at the major league level,” Selig said Thursday in Washington, D.C. “We’re going to leave no stone unturned until we have that policy in place by spring training 2005.”

Prosecutors confronted Bonds with documents dating to his record-setting season of 2001 that allegedly detailed his use of many drugs, including human growth hormone, steroids and insulin. He said he believed he only used legal products to treat arthritis and fatigue.

Bonds danced around questions, saying he couldn’t explain a calendar with the name “Barry” on it; he had never seen a bottle that says Depo-Testosterone; he had never heard of the drugs Clomid, modafinil and trenbolone; and he couldn’t pronounce EPO.

Bonds testified that he didn’t think any of the substances worked but kept using them out of loyalty to Anderson, the Chronicle reported. He also said he never consulted with the Giants about what Anderson gave him.

“No way ... we don’t trust the ball team,” Bonds said. “We don’t trust baseball. ... Believe me, it’s a business. I don’t trust their doctors or nothing.”

Sheffield testified to the grand jury that Bonds arranged for Anderson to give Sheffield “the clear,” “the cream,” and another steroid from Mexico, but also said he did not know they were steroids, the Chronicle reported.

Bonds said he never paid Anderson for drugs or supplements but did give the trainer $15,000 in cash in 2003 for weight training and a $20,000 bonus after his 73-homer season.

Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he “lives in his car half the time.” Asked by a juror why he didn’t buy “a mansion” for his trainer, Bonds answered: “One, I’m black, and I’m keeping my money. And there’s not too many rich black people in this world. There’s more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain’t giving my money up.”

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I would like to point out this statement again:


Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he “lives in his car half the time.” Asked by a juror why he didn’t buy “a mansion” for his trainer, Bonds answered: “One, I’m black, and I’m keeping my money. And there’s not too many rich black people in this world. There’s more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain’t giving my money up.”

Good to see that racism is alive and well.

~Amanda
 
I already had enough reasons. BTW, his "racist" statements ( and that statement above isn't REALLY racist, just dumb ) have been spewing out of his mouth for years.
 
I've always hated Barry Bonds. Partly because I'm a Dodgers fan but now because he was juiced up when he played. I like when he said that he "didn’t know they were steroids". Good one, Barry! :rolleyes1
 

momtotreasure said:
I wonder if they'll strip his MVP award. I personally don't believe that he didn't know.

MLB has shown they don't really care if a player uses steroids or not. Sure they have drug testing, but it's so anonymous the fans never know who is using or who isn't. Moreover, you think the owners care? "Hmmm...does it make you hit more home runs? Then I don't wanna know. As long as you are doing what I'm paying you to do"
 
mamajoan said:
back button... back button.....

I always knew you were a wise, wise woman (in addition to being a silly goose) :teeth:

I can't even start to think about this, it makes my blood boil.
 
And he & Giambi are but the tip of the iceberg..........
 
MLB has shown they don't really care if a player uses steroids or not. Sure they have drug testing, but it's so anonymous the fans never know who is using or who isn't. Moreover, you think the owners care? "Hmmm...does it make you hit more home runs? Then I don't wanna know. As long as you are doing what I'm paying you to do"

Seriously the steroids thing isn't what bothered me. It was the racist statement that they finished the article with. There are many many wealthy african american people who are very charitable.
Oprah Winfrey
Ozzie Smith
Sammy Sosa
Denzel Washington
are a few that come to mind off of the top of my head.

~Amanda
 
septbride2002 said:
Seriously the steroids thing isn't what bothered me. It was the racist statement that they finished the article with. There are many many wealthy african american people who are very charitable.
Oprah Winfrey
Ozzie Smith
Sammy Sosa
Denzel Washington
are a few that come to mind off of the top of my head.

~Amanda

Like Papa Deuce said, I don't believe the statements Barry said are racist, per se. Stupid, yes, but then again, the question was dumb as well.
 
septbride2002 said:
Seriously the steroids thing isn't what bothered me. It was the racist statement that they finished the article with. There are many many wealthy african american people who are very charitable.
Oprah Winfrey
Ozzie Smith
Sammy Sosa
Denzel Washington
are a few that come to mind off of the top of my head.

~Amanda

Well, by definition it was not racist. Naive, stupid, ill-informened and arrogant perhaps.
 
dmadman43 said:
Well, by definition it was not racist. Naive, stupid, ill-informened and arrogant perhaps.

True... its just that when they go the other way, the racism label seems to stick more for some reason.

On the steroid thing, how baseball reacts now will be dependent on the public reaction. Its true that they didn't care as long as it was under wraps. But now that its out, they will be forced to care if the public cares.

Personally, I do. On an individual basis, it isn't that important to me what somebody does to themself as long as they don't hurt anyone else, no matter how stupid I might think it is.

But in this case, it impacts everyone who plays the game, or will play the game in the future, all they way down to the kids. It places those who choose not to use illegal substances at a disadvantage, and it indirectly encourages the use of those substances at lower levels.

Wanna play in the majors? Better roid up or you might not make it.

Are you a great player but want to be considered the best? Juice up and see what you can do.


Baseball had better care now or they can kiss my $'s goodbye.
 
I will be so annoyed if (or when) he breaks Aaron's record. I think he should definitely have an asterick next to the record (a la Maris) when he does.
 
Okay - I'll bite. How are those comments not racist? He is obviously 1) using his race to qualify his opinion and 2) goes to slam other races. Seems pretty racist to me.

Not to mention if this was a white player saying, I'm white and wealthy let the african americans give away their money. Then everyone would be jumping up and down screaming racism.

~Amanda
 
septbride2002 said:
Okay - I'll bite. How are those comments not racist? He is obviously 1) using his race to qualify his opinion and 2) goes to slam other races. Seems pretty racist to me.

I'm not seeing where he slams other races. I'll say that it was a racially-oriented comment, how's that for PC?
 
“One, I’m black, and I’m keeping my money. And there’s not too many rich black people in this world. There’s more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain’t giving my money up.”

From Webster's Dictionary
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Maybe slamming other races isn't an appropriate way to put it. But he is certainly using them as examples and sounds to me like he is saying that those groups should be charitable. Because he is Black he doesn't have to.

Whether it fits the definition of racist or not - I still feel that it is comments like these that keeps races divided. He is not a role model at all for young boys.

~Amanda
 
septbride2002 said:
He is not a role model at all for young boys.

~Amanda
and young girls...you wouldn't want to be sexist while calling someone a racist. :earboy2:

Racist or not (and it does sound a bit racist), it was VERY STUPID. But with Barry Bonds, what else is new?
 













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