Yet another reason not to ride MS

[Chad&Janet]

OK, were did I ever say I live life with what if's?
I never have said that MS needs to be closed down, nor did I say people should not allow their kids on it. That is your choose, and I really don’t care.
I don’t think people are dying on this ride BECAUSE OF THE RIDE ITSELF, So don’t put words in my mouth.
I just said I KNOW MY KIDS AND I KNOW MYSELF AND FROM WHAT I HEARD ABOUT MISSION SPACE IT IS NOT FOR US. I don’t know if I have a heart problems, but I have thyroid problems and a family history of heart attacks and I don’t like small spaces, I know my son has had times were he has got off rides dizzy and he tends to pass out in the heat. So in my good judgment I decide not to ride it, and not allow my children to ride it either.
Like you are told to do with any ride, I used my discretion.
You don’t like it owell...I don’t have time in MY LIFE to argue with a bunch of you over a ride and my choose not to ride it.

Not to sound too academic, BUT I believe the word you are looking for instead of *choose* is the word *choice.* I think what recent posts are trying to convey is that your logic for not riding (or allowing your kids to ride) is inadequate. (They are not attacking you personally.) If you examine the statistics of the situation, you (or your child) have about a 1 in 4 million chance of being killed by riding Mission:Space. The other posters are simply pointing out that many other activities in life have much greater odds of death. For example,
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1

Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1

Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1

Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585

Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666

When you compare these everyday occurences to riding Mission:Space, there's not a much safer place you can be! I do believe the other point that is noteworthy is that the love/care you have for your children does not exceed any other parent's love that post on these boards and allow their children to ride M:S.

 

[tms295]

49-year-old woman who died after riding on Walt Disney World's "Mission: Space" ride suffered a stroke linked to her high blood pressure, according to preliminary autopsy results released Friday by the Orange County medical examiner.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/14/disneyworld.death/index.html

Disney did there job and gave warnings. Healthy thrill seekers should not be punished by tearing down MS because some people don't listen, read, or pain and simple ignore the warnings.

 

[beattyfamily]

Thought THIS article might be interesting to those following this thread...I can't believe it. It's been a year!

 

[sarhenty]

Wow, let's just hope these M:S statistics don't go up. Two deaths in one year on the SAME ride are not too good.

I do have to agree, though, that you are given enough warnings to know if the ride is appropriate for you and by these two sad incidents we could plainly see the problem is not the RIDE but that some people don't know how to heed warnings. They must think because they are in Disney it can't be too bad. BIG MISTAKE.

If this continues to happen they will close down the ride not because of the ride but because of PEOPLE not listening to warnings.

 

[Mickeyistheman]

What surprises me about many posters on here is how angry everyone is about a "possibility" of this ride closing.

What if it was your child or your sister or mother. That might have been very healthy, but didn't know they had "high blood pressure" or something wrong with their heart. How would you feel about that.

Sure Disney has rides and unfortunate things happen, but this is my question to those out there...Did the content or context of the ride kill them?

The G force is so very strong because Disney wants to make it so lifelike, that is a big deal. I am not saying it isn't an amazing ride. But what other rides in Disney have Vomit bags?

My sister cut her hand in Epcot so we went to the first aid and were there maybe 15-20 minutes. The one nurse had my sister call Goofy for him to sing Happy Birthday to her. 5 couples came in and at least 1 person in their party was ill from Mission Space. The nurses just looked at one another and knew.

Now I don't care how much it cost if within a year or less 2 people die after going on a ride, with all of those warnings I would truly think Disney might consider closing it down. Don't you think the families will have to receive compensation from Disney, hmmmm wonder how much they will ask for?

How much would your son or daughter lives be worth.

I think that is what everyone is missing on this thread. It is a beautiful pavillion and I am sure for many many people they love this ride, but I don't know if I would let my child on it.

 

[TimothyG]

In my opinion, the ride is fine the way it is. Not only does it give you ample warning about the possibility of danger on the ride, but it just really isn't that bad. More car accidents happen everyday than people who get hurt on mission space (per capita) yet we don't quit driving for that reason.

Any ride, thrill or not, poses the risk of death. It's a Small World can pose the risk of death (although not as high of a chance that M:S can). I feel sorry for the woman, I really do, but the ride is okay in the condition it is in. We can tone down M:S all we want, but will anyone enjoy it once it spins 2 MPH and you only see a movie of going into space?

 

[Kick Save]

Now I don't care how much it cost if within a year or less 2 people die after going on a ride, with all of those warnings I would truly think Disney might consider closing it down. Don't you think the families will have to receive compensation from Disney, hmmmm wonder how much they will ask for?

If M:S was the DIRECT RESULT OF THEIR DEATHS then Disney is liable, will have to pay compensation, should close the ride, etc. HOWEVER, it has not be proven in any way, shape, or form that M:S was the direct result of these people's passings. It is sad that they have passed on, I was in WDW last year when the little boy died. (In EPCOT that day, actually.) It was shocking and sad, but it was proven that M:S was not the cause of death.

How much would your son or daughter lives be worth.

The value of my children's lives is immeasurable, as I'm sure every other parent would say, also. But this is a pretty unfair question to put out here...as if you who won't let your kids ride a ride at Disney World values their children more than me or anybody else who DOES allow their kids to ride.

But, to follow that train of thought, I should have not put my son in the truck with me half an hour ago to go to the store...the threat of a car accident is very real in our 2 mile round trip. Actually, the probability of that accident is much higher that he or I dying on M:S...should I never put him in the car again? No, that would be ludicrous.

Additionally, a few years back a young girl was struck by a puck at an NHL game her in Columbus and passed away the following day. It was a horrible accident...and I was in the arena when it happened. Saw her get up and walk out, seemed OK. Does this mean that me or any member of my family should never attend an NHL game again?

I think that is what everyone is missing on this thread. It is a beautiful pavillion and I am sure for many many people they love this ride, but I don't know if I would let my child on it.

I think what's missing in this thread is rational thinking...a number of posters have decided not to let their children on M:S because "they might die." That's never happened...the people that did (regrettably) pass away had existing health conditions that were exacerbated by Mission: Space. Millions of perfectly healthy people have ridden the ride and survived...some may have been a little dizzy and never got back on, but they survived to walk over to Test Track and hop on it.

I get not letting your kids ride because they hate things that spin, or they don't do well in small, enclosed spaces. Not letting them on in that case is just saving you and them some grief later when they hate the ride. (And if you're on it together, screaming and/or yelling about wanting to get off.) But, if you're not letting them on because, "they might die," you're not really protecting them, but rather forcing them to miss something they could enjoy very much.

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL that being said, the negative press definitely isn't helping the ride at all. Threads like this get started here, but moreso the lines for it are apparently getting visibly shorter.

 

[kaytieeldr]

What surprises me about many posters on here is how angry everyone is about a "possibility" of this ride closing.

What if it was your child or your sister or mother. That might have been very healthy, but didn't know they had "high blood pressure" or something wrong with their heart. How would you feel about that.

I would feel exactly as I do right now, as I did last week, as I did last year. What I or my family know about our respective medical condition is in NO way the responsibility of a theme park.

Now I don't care how much it cost if within a year or less 2 people die after going on a ride, with all of those warnings I would truly think Disney might consider closing it down. Don't you think the families will have to receive compensation from Disney, hmmmm wonder how much they will ask for?

Absolutely NOT. See my response above; in addition, people are all too quick to sue. Disney would be at least as entitled to sue the Guests' estates, don't you think, for the negative publicity and reaction?

 

[jann1033]

What surprises me about many posters on here is how angry everyone is about a "possibility" of this ride closing.

What if it was your child or your sister or mother. That might have been very healthy, but didn't know they had "high blood pressure" or something wrong with their heart. How would you feel about that.

Sure Disney has rides and unfortunate things happen, but this is my question to those out there...Did the content or context of the ride kill them?

The G force is so very strong because Disney wants to make it so lifelike, that is a big deal. I am not saying it isn't an amazing ride. But what other rides in Disney have Vomit bags?

My sister cut her hand in Epcot so we went to the first aid and were there maybe 15-20 minutes. The one nurse had my sister call Goofy for him to sing Happy Birthday to her. 5 couples came in and at least 1 person in their party was ill from Mission Space. The nurses just looked at one another and knew.

Now I don't care how much it cost if within a year or less 2 people die after going on a ride, with all of those warnings I would truly think Disney might consider closing it down. Don't you think the families will have to receive compensation from Disney, hmmmm wonder how much they will ask for?

How much would your son or daughter lives be worth.

I think that is what everyone is missing on this thread. It is a beautiful pavillion and I am sure for many many people they love this ride, but I don't know if I would let my child on it.

you might want to check the other threads on this ...a few have links on the safety inspectors ( Fl, state) view that the ride is safe as well as the amount of g force on the ride( less than many others) the bags are according to someone due to the fact that unlike the teacups or other rides that circle, if you need to there is no where to do it but inside the cabin( can't hang over the edge outside in other words)

personally i wonder how much "sickness' is mind over matter...maybe you had one too many pieces of bacon at breakfast and are sick to your stomach but when you see the signs, figure it must have been mission space.. also interesting thought of no one knows what either of those people did pre ms, one post mentioned the boy's mother saying he looked sick BEFORE he rode .
don't know if it were here or one of the others but a cardiac RN mentioned how some people are walking time bombs Unfortunately anything can and does create a scenario that causes their death( ie my uncle had an aortic aneurysm had no idea he had it, it ruptured while he was lying in bed and he died, just an unfortunate thing, no one had foreseen it.. it didn't make the news cause it happens all the time, just not on ms or something that be sensationalized)

 

[jann1033]

perfectly healthy people have ridden the ride and survived...some may have been a little dizzy and never got back on, but they survived to walk over to Test Track and hop on it.

I.

truth be told, at least thousands of unhealthy people have ridden it and survived also. these 2 were rare but tragic occurrences

 

[wdwdavem]

The G force is so very strong because Disney wants to make it so lifelike, that is a big deal. I am not saying it isn't an amazing ride. But what other rides in Disney have Vomit bags?

The ride exerts 2g's. That is not very high. Go ride any round-up or gravitron and you will encounter much higher g forces(4g's on the gravitron).As for the vomit bags they are there simply because you are in an enclosed space and the down time to clean up takes to long. Once the ride starts you can't just wave to an attendant to stop so they are there for your convenience and so your podmates dont have to get covered.

Now I don't care how much it cost if within a year or less 2 people die after going on a ride, with all of those warnings I would truly think Disney might consider closing it down. Don't you think the families will have to receive compensation from Disney, hmmmm wonder how much they will ask for?

If someone dies from heat exhaustion in the park do they need to shut the walkways down. Or how about if when the alien pops out on The Great Movie Ride it causes someone to have a heart attack. Do they need to remove anything that can scare you. What I'm trying to say is this: Do I think MS contributed to their death? Quite possibly. Do I think that there are a million other things in everyday life that would have caused the same thing? ABSOLUTELY

 

[lorrainesy]

Geee....I don't think I'll ever ride this ride.....not that I ever have....I am VERY claustrophobia

 

[Tink's Tormentor]

FYI--the ride has been toned down.

I have it on very good authority that the ride was NEVER toned down... Other than from testing phases... but never since the ride has been open....

And By the way, I have ridden M:S, I know what it is like.. I did not like the feeling I got on the ride and will never go back on.... But, I am not going to suggest they tear it down either....

 

[ericafny]

What surprises me about many posters on here is how angry everyone is about a "possibility" of this ride closing.

What if it was your child or your sister or mother. That might have been very healthy, but didn't know they had "high blood pressure" or something wrong with their heart. How would you feel about that.

Sure Disney has rides and unfortunate things happen, but this is my question to those out there...Did the content or context of the ride kill them?

The G force is so very strong because Disney wants to make it so lifelike, that is a big deal. I am not saying it isn't an amazing ride. But what other rides in Disney have Vomit bags?

My sister cut her hand in Epcot so we went to the first aid and were there maybe 15-20 minutes. The one nurse had my sister call Goofy for him to sing Happy Birthday to her. 5 couples came in and at least 1 person in their party was ill from Mission Space. The nurses just looked at one another and knew.

Now I don't care how much it cost if within a year or less 2 people die after going on a ride, with all of those warnings I would truly think Disney might consider closing it down. Don't you think the families will have to receive compensation from Disney, hmmmm wonder how much they will ask for?

How much would your son or daughter lives be worth.

I think that is what everyone is missing on this thread. It is a beautiful pavillion and I am sure for many many people they love this ride, but I don't know if I would let my child on it.

Let me just say this is the EXACT reason why I started this thread...because you are right, what if it was your child, sister, mother, etc? Some people on this thread have been down right nasty in their comments to me (read the first few pages) when I tried to write something similar to what you wrote. And now I see some people are being nasty to you too.

I sure hope that if Disney decides not to close this ride then they make sure they state the warnings even more now than they did before...I really hate reading about people dying at the Happiest Place on Earth!

 

[ericafny]

The ride exerts 2g's. That is not very high. Go ride any round-up or gravitron and you will encounter much higher g forces(4g's on the gravitron).

It's not the amount of g's the ride exerts its the fact that riders are exposed to those negative g forces for so long of a period of time. When you expierence these g forces on lets say, a rollercoaster, you are only experiencing it for seconds, on this ride it is way longer than that. There is no reason the human body should experience that kind of g force, whether its on a ride that is supposedly 'fun' or not.

 

[pamouselover]

Ok, this will be the last time I post to this thread.

I never said I value my childrens lives more then anyone else on this thread who allows their children to ride mission space.
I just stated that after learning more about the cautions of mission space I dont plan on ever riding it. MY CHOICE YES!
I planned on riding mission space last year. I have always dream of going to space, thought wow what a cool new ride when reading about it. I had not been to Disney since 2000.So this was our first trip back in 5 years. When I heard about the child dying and I learned the warnings of riding the ride,(which I did not read before anywhere) a month after booking our trip for Sept. I spoke to two friends who want in Jan.and June,(YES ONE FRIEND WAS DOWN IN WDW WHEN THE BOY DIED.) She was also in Disney the year the man died on splash Mtn. (yes I still ride splash mtn.)
Both said they did not like it, and that felt sick after riding it. I choice not to ride. Sorry but to me it was not worth the chance of me getting sick,or my DS fainting and putting a demper on our more then magical trip to disney world.
Move on people move on.........

Not to sound too academic, BUT I believe the word you are looking for instead of *choose* is the word *choice.* I think what recent posts are trying to convey is that your logic for not riding (or allowing your kids to ride) is inadequate. (They are not attacking you personally.) If you examine the statistics of the situation, you (or your child) have about a 1 in 4 million chance of being killed by riding Mission:Space. The other posters are simply pointing out that many other activities in life have much greater odds of death. For example,
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1

Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1

Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1

Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585

Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666

When you compare these everyday occurences to riding Mission:Space, there's not a much safer place you can be! I do believe the other point that is noteworthy is that the love/care you have for your children does not exceed any other parent's love that post on these boards and allow their children to ride M:S.

 

[Chad&Janet]

I concede your point. You absolutely have a right to arrive at whatever conclusion you deem most logical. As far as others that may be reading the post wondering whether or not to ride, I think the statistics and facts of the situation are relevant and should be considered.

But I do appreciate/respect your opinion, pamouselover.

Ok, this will be the last time I post to this thread.

I never said I value my childrens lives more then anyone else on this thread who allows their children to ride mission space.
I just stated that after learning more about the cautions of mission space I dont plan on ever riding it. MY CHOICE YES!
I planned on riding mission space last year. I have always dream of going to space, thought wow what a cool new ride when reading about it. I had not been to Disney since 2000.So this was our first trip back in 5 years. When I heard about the child dying and I learned the warnings of riding the ride,(which I did not read before anywhere) a month after booking our trip for Sept. I spoke to two friends who want in Jan.and June,(YES ONE FRIEND WAS DOWN IN WDW WHEN THE BOY DIED.) She was also in Disney the year the man died on splash Mtn. (yes I still ride splash mtn.)
Both said they did not like it, and that felt sick after riding it. I choice not to ride. Sorry but to me it was not worth the chance of me getting sick,or my DS fainting and putting a demper on our more then magical trip to disney world.
Move on people move on.........

 

[NotUrsula]

What if it was your child or your sister or mother. That might have been very healthy, but didn't know they had "high blood pressure" or something wrong with their heart. How would you feel about that.

I would be grieving, of course, but I wouldn't be blaming WDW. By definition, anyone with serious hypertension or a heart defect (or an infection, like the young lady who died at TL last year) is *not* "very healthy" -- no one who has a potentially fatal disease can be properly called healthy. It is a terrible thing for someone to die of an undiagnosed illness, but it is not anyone's fault, unless perhaps that person had been examined by a doctor who failed to notice the problem.

I happened to be at WDW when the first MS death occurred, I was in the pavilion waiting for DS and DH to come off their second consecutive turn on the ride when the little boy was carried out. (I don't ride MS because I have vertigo, but DH & the kid love it and ride frequently.) We also happened to be at USIOA in 2003 on the day that a woman in her 30's was found unconscious on the Hulk coaster -- she had had a heart attack, and she died a few days later without ever coming to. I'm finding it very interesting that no one is bringing up the USIOA death in these discussions.

I'm willing to bet that over-exposure to the Florida heat sends more tourists to Orlando-area hospitals than any ride in any park.

 

[KimberlyC]

I'm convinced "It's a Small World" should be shut down. A recent University study found that IASW is a primary cause of mental instability . . .

The creepy little dolls are singing The creepy little dolls are still singing The creepy little dolls won't stop singing The creepy little dolls are singing At me The creepy little dolls are singing subliminal messages The creepy little dolls are singing in an effort to control my mind The creepy little dolls were sent to sing by alien life forces that wanted to abduct me and perform painful experiments on me. Their singing, like the songs of the Sirens, entranced the other passengers giving the alien life forces ample time to abduct me. They performed their experiment while other creepy little alien dolls sang. It was cruel. It was unusual. It was punishment of the worse kind. We then traveled back in time and it was as though I had never left. Yes, the creepy little dolls were still singing when I returned

Nobody believes me, but when it happens to you, you'll know its true. They must be stopped. Shut it down. Pray they shut it down.

 

[mom2minniemouse]

I sure hope that if Disney decides not to close this ride then they make sure they state the warnings even more now than they did before...I really hate reading about people dying at the Happiest Place on Earth!

They have signage. Warnings are available in different languages. Do the warnings have to be in electric neon... or just printed twice in the same places??? If people CHOOSE not to read the warnings, why is that Disney's fault? I have a back problem and a small kid and you betya... I read EVERY sign for warnings before we ride amusement rides.