Yet another reason I do not support PETA

[DisneyBamaFan]

And that is fine for your family. But most children have not seen the horrors of factory farming and when they do, they do not want to eat meat anymore.

Most children have not seen many horrors. We shelter them for a reason. But try not to assume that everyone else is horrified by the things that horrify you. And most children have no problems eating meat as adults, even when they are made aware of your "horrors"...

 

[Jenvenza]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! That is freaking HILARIOUS!

Everytime someone brings up PETA, somebody uses this tired, old line like they are the first to think of it. Guess what? You aren't. Everyone has heard it already and it's as stupid now as it was the first 1000 times.

All PETA members are not stark raving mad lunatics. Sure, there are some that are more zealous and passionate than others but I completely agree with the concept and goals of the organization.

I was about to say the same thing! Someone always says that and thinks it is so clever, when there has been a website named that for a LONG time. And let me tell you, those people on that website are a bunch of idiots!

 

[Scurvy]

Another PETA debate?

If you know anything about the way PETA holds their protests, you would realize they are not allowed on private property - like McDonalds. They have to stand on the sidewalks - on public property. So they are not going in McDonalds and handing these to children. The parents would have to allow them to hand them one of these unhappy meals as they are leaving, which most of the time is in a car. So, that would mean the parents are pulling over and allowing PETA to give these to their children.

How do I know this? Because I have been a PETA for about 5 years now. While I have never protested McDonalds or handed out material to children. I do know how it works. And I know what is legal and what isnt. These places always call the cops on us, so we know what we can and cannot do. The only people who get handed anything are the ones who stop and want to know what is going on. And most of them are appalled when they find out what is happening behind closed doors at a lot of the large corporations.

PETA is all about shock tactics, and they have done some wonderful work. Call me crazy, a terrorist, whatever you will. It doesnt bother me at all, because I know who I am and what I stand for. I would never do anything illegal or harmful, but I am all about making the public more aware of what is going on at places like KFC and The Ringling Brother's Circus. PETA just released undercover video of the Ringling Circus beating their animals with bull hooks to make them do tricks. If they didnt do this, people would think these are all happy animals who like to jump through rings of fire and other ridiculous things that animals should not be doing.

So flame away, but I bet you if all these children knew what happened to these animals they are eating, they would want to become vegetarians, too.

You come across as a reasonable person. Sadly, most other PETA members that I have encountered or have read about do not. Many of them don't care about what is legal and they go to ridiculous extremes. I strongly disagree with most of PETA's stated positions and goals. I think they are a horrible organization that does much more harm than good to the causes that they claim to support. I think there are probably well meaning, good people who are supporters of PETA - but from what I have read, it seems that the vast majority of members and those in charge of the organization are deluded at best or insane at worst.

 

[Jenvenza]

Most children have not seen many horrors. We shelter them for a reason. But try not to assume that everyone else is horrified by the things that horrify you. And most children have no problems eating meat as adults, even when they are made aware of your "horrors"...

If you can honestly watch Meet Your Meat without being horrified at what happens on factory farms, you have a sensitivity chip missing.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

If you can honestly watch Meet Your Meat without being horrified at what happens on factory farms, you have a sensitivity chip missing.

So I am somehow defective if I am different from you. Hmmm...

 

[Jenvenza]

You come across as a reasonable person. Sadly, most other PETA members that I have encountered or have read about do not. Many of them don't care about what is legal and they go to ridiculous extremes. I strongly disagree with most of PETA's stated positions and goals. I think they are a horrible organization that does much more harm than good to the causes that they claim to support. I think there are probably well meaning, good people who are supporters of PETA - but from what I have read, it seems that the vast majority of members and those in charge of the organization are deluded at best or insane at worst.

I am a very reasonable person and probably one of the most sane, boring people who would ever meet! But I have see nthe good side of PETA and it is sad that most of the general public only sees the bad ones, because that is what the media likes to show. Crazy sells! Listen, there are loonies in all organisations and we have our fair share in PETA, but of all the people I have met, they are good people. Just standing up for what they believe in, in a legal way. I guess what I am trying to say is dont judge a whole group on a few radicals. If we did that with every group out there, I dont think any of them would be any good.

 

[Jenvenza]

So I am somehow defective if I am different from you. Hmmm...

Quit putting words in my mouth. I have no problem with family farms who treat their animals humanely, but factory farming is not the same. I think most people would be appalled to see what really goes on. And anyone who can treat a helpless animal like these people do in these places are the crazy ones to me. Hve you ever watched this video? I really wish you would, and them come back and let me know what you think. I am not trying to get you to stop eating meat or hunting or whatever it is you do - though I dont agree with it - but honestly can you watch animals suffering and not be affected by it?

 

[Scurvy]

I am a very reasonable person and probably one of the most sane, boring people who would ever meet! But I have see nthe good side of PETA and it is sad that most of the general public only sees the bad ones, because that is what the media likes to show. Crazy sells! Listen, there are loonies in all organisations and we have our fair share in PETA, but of all the people I have met, they are good people. Just standing up for what they believe in, in a legal way. I guess what I am trying to say is dont judge a whole group on a few radicals. If we did that with every group out there, I dont think any of them would be any good.

That makes sense and I certainly agree about not judging a group by the radical members! In my case, my opinion of PETA is based in part on statements the people in charge of the group have made. I have to assume that a group stands behind the statements that their spokesman makes (at least if they don't immediately remove that person from their group and issue a retraction). I am appalled by some of the statements the official spokesmen have made, and so even if the vast majority of the member were like you I would still dislike and disagree with PETA.

 

[Jenvenza]

That makes sense and I certainly agree about not judging a group by the radical members! In my case, my opinion of PETA is based in part on statements the people in charge of the group have made. I have to assume that a group stands behind the statements that their spokesman makes (at least if they don't immediately remove that person from their group and issue a retraction). I am appalled by some of the statements the official spokesmen have made, and so even if the vast majority of the member were like you I would still dislike and disagree with PETA.

Well, I can respect your opinion on this. We will just have to agree to disagree! No hard feeling though.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Quit putting words in my mouth.

You said:

If you can honestly watch Meet Your Meat without being horrified at what happens on factory farms, you have a sensitivity chip missing.

I am not putting words in your mouth. You wrote them, not me. Now, are you going to seriously tell me that "you have a sensitivity chip missing" meant something other than, "you are defective"? Come on...

 

[Jenvenza]

You said:I am not putting words in your mouth. You wrote them, not me. Now, are you going to seriously tell me that "you have a sensitivity chip missing" meant something other than, "you are defective"? Come on...

No, defective was not what I was thinking at all. But since you put it that way - maybe you are right. Some of you like to call PETA members crazy and lots of other things, so maybe defective is a good word to describe people who can watch animals being tortured and not have any feelings about it.

 

[merryweather20]

I have noticed that most of the folks engaging in this dispute, in the media and online, fall into one of two categories:

• Opposing cruelty to animals; or
• Ridiculing people who oppose cruelty to animals

Perhaps it is all that meat that is making the anti-PETA people so antagonistic.

Antagnostic? Everyone here has simply been rolling their eyes at PETA. No one here has even suggested retaliating with an action equivalent to that of Peta's, say going over to Peta member's houses and vandalisng them.

Looks like meat keeps people calm and tolerant

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

No, defective was not what I was thinking at all. But since you put it that way - maybe you are right. Some of you like to call PETA members crazy and lots of other things, so maybe defective is a good word to describe people who can watch animals being tortured and not have any feelings about it.

You don't know the half of it. If one is raised on a working farm, one see animals differently. I love animals, but they are food. It is a matter of perspective.

Peace...

 

[LoraJ]

Let's keep this thread civil. I am doing a paper on PETA this week and want to use it as a reference.

 

[bicker]

Antagnostic? Everyone here has simply been rolling their eyes at PETA.

I wasn't necessarily talking about this thread. But now that you've mentioned it, I think you're conveniently overlooking a lot of very hurtful comments that were posted.

 

[merryweather20]

I am a very reasonable person and probably one of the most sane, boring people who would ever meet! But I have see nthe good side of PETA and it is sad that most of the general public only sees the bad ones, because that is what the media likes to show. Crazy sells! Listen, there are loonies in all organisations and we have our fair share in PETA, but of all the people I have met, they are good people. Just standing up for what they believe in, in a legal way. I guess what I am trying to say is dont judge a whole group on a few radicals. If we did that with every group out there, I dont think any of them would be any good.

The loonies are at the head of the organisation. I watched a special several years ago, and what sticks with me the most is the head of the organization had NO interest in animal welfare in the least. His comments were all that, such and such an itiative, was "a big story" or "made the new on every continent" or "had an increase in internet traffic".

When it came to executing real change or saving or restoring habitat, or doing anything tangible to help animals, he had nothing. It makes me sick that they use pictures of animals in their advertising, they do nothing to help and they funnel money away from legitimate organizations.

 

[Scurvy]

Well, I can respect your opinion on this. We will just have to agree to disagree! No hard feeling though.

That works!

 

[bookgirl]

Let's keep this thread civil. I am doing a paper on PETA this week and want to use it as a reference.

Talk about timing, let's hear it for higher education.

Good luck on your paper.

 

[hiwaygal]

This is absolutely not true. I have only protested with PETA and they have only been peaceful and non-violent. Please get your facts straight before you make comments like that.

I have my facts straight. PETA's national headquarters is barely 25 miles from my home...they are VERY active in our area.

Just a few tidbits I found (but I'm sure you'll discount the sources as "biased"):

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/1439

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_blackeye.cfm/oid/21

And this one from just a few days ago:

PETA issues death threat against Melbourne fashion designer Alannah Hill

Years ago I thought PETA was a quality organization that would help end animal cruelty. Then I found one of their own publications in my college library that noted how they supported the bombing of a facility that was conducting animal experiments. Whether or not I agree with animal testing (and I do believe there are limited alternatives), this kind of activity is simply unfathomable.

Can there be "sane" and "rational" people as part of the PETA group? You bet. But it's the ones who aren't that I worry about and am somewhat surprised that reasonable members continue to support and condone these activities.

 

[C.Ann]

This isn't the first time PETA has done something like this. They are famous for handing out coloring books showing slaughter houses and such. Assaulting people who choose to wear fur/leather. And while protesting can be done in a peaceful and non-violent way, PETA will always choose the opposite.

One of the many reasons that I see them in a very poor light.. Their behavior is irrational and disturbing - to say the least..

PETA is all about shock tactics, .

And this is where they loose the support of the general public..

I have my facts straight. PETA's national headquarters is barely 25 miles from my home...they are VERY active in our area.

Just a few tidbits I found (but I'm sure you'll discount the sources as "biased"):

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/1439

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_blackeye.cfm/oid/21

And this one from just a few days ago:

PETA issues death threat against Melbourne fashion designer Alannah Hill

Years ago I thought PETA was a quality organization that would help end animal cruelty. Then I found one of their own publications in my college library that noted how they supported the bombing of a facility that was conducting animal experiments. Whether or not I agree with animal testing (and I do believe there are limited alternatives), this kind of activity is simply unfathomable.

Can there be "sane" and "rational" people as part of the PETA group? You bet. But it's the ones who aren't that I worry about and am somewhat surprised that reasonable members continue to support and condone these activities.

As long as this type of activity occurs - and violence is encouraged - PETA will always be viewed as lunatics..

Peaceful protest is one thing - taking things to the "extreme" is another.. Unfortunately, it creates an atmosphere where "all" members are included in the opinion that their members are emotionally unstable.. Until they can weed out the bad seeds from their ranks; drop the shock value tactics; and find another way to get their message across in a peaceful manner, they will never be taken seriously by anyone except themselves..