YES Group for May 14-21, 2012 timeframe?

[rachael_9667]

Is there anywhere else this might be listed if there is a group already started? If not, is there anyone else going during this time frame that might be interested in putting together a group? I have a 12, 10 & 4 year old but I think 4 is too young for any of their educational youth programs.

Sorry if this isn't the right place or if there's already something in the works, I didn't know where else to post and I did search all over.

 

[mrsklamc]

You can no longer put a group together like this; they now require documentation that you are a long term established group.

 

[rachael_9667]

*sad walk*

Seriously!? UGH. Back to the drawing board. Thanks

 

[eeyoreforever]

There are some classes that individuals can do also. It doesn't have to be a group. Have you looked at those?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

See if there is anything available for individual enrollment that week:

http://www.disneyyouth.com/individual-enrollment/

Try that

 

[Nanu57v]

Bummer, I got excited! We are there those dates, and there aren't any individual YES dates during that time. I wonder why you have to be long established.

 

[Marionnette]

Bummer, I got excited! We are there those dates, and there aren't any individual YES dates during that time. I wonder why you have to be long established.

It's because group enrollment was being abused by people, who had nothing to do with each other outside of Disney, just to get cheap tickets. This made it harder for legitimate groups like homeschoolers, Boy Scouts and church youth groups, to be able to enroll together. It's a shame that those legitimate groups now have to jump thru additional hoops in order to be able to sign up but that's what happens when people exploit a loophole.

 

[rachael_9667]

I don't know anything about YES programs b/c this is all new to me *but* the people enrolling online right now don't have anything to do with each other either??

I see they have homeschool programs and Kingdom Keepers as well but since they are more expensive, I'm sure that's why people gravitate towards a YES program. I wonder how closely affiliated a group would have to be - like, what if they're all girl scouts? Not the same troop, but, belong to the same organization - I don't know. It seems silly if you have an organized group why does it matter if they are affiliated with one another when the regular YES groups aren't at all.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I would imagine it might have something to do with the chaparones. For a group, I believe there are only 2 chaparones total. Now, if that group is 20 kids who don't know each other, who gets to be the chaparones? Do you send YOUR kids off with chaparones you've never met?

 

[Marionnette]

I don't know anything about YES programs b/c this is all new to me *but* the people enrolling online right now don't have anything to do with each other either??

I see they have homeschool programs and Disney Quest as well but since they are more expensive, I'm sure that's why people gravitate towards a YES program. I wonder how closely affiliated a group would have to be - like, what if they're all girl scouts? Not the same troop, but, belong to the same organization - I don't know. It seems silly if you have an organized group why does it matter if they are affiliated with one another when the regular YES groups aren't at all.

Let me try to explain it better.

People were forming "groups" for the sole purpose of getting cheap Disney tickets. They had nothing to do with each other outside of Disney and many lived in different parts of the country. They were booking spots that were meant for real groups. Disney has individual enrollment for families to use. The group enrollments should be used for real groups, who carry insurance as a group and have adults who are approved as chaperones by the group.

When you enroll your child for individual enrollment, you also have to enroll an adult if the child is 12 or under. That adult is the one responsible for keeping an eye on your child. If you have a group, only a couple of those adults can attend the class. If you create a group of internet strangers who don't even know each other, you are entrusting your child to a complete stranger that no one has vetted. Scary thought. Disney doesn't want that liability.

 

[rachael_9667]

Aaaah, the chaperone part made it all make sense. With the other groups, Disney requires 1 adult per child under what? 14. With this, there is only 1-2 adults per group. Yipes. Would I trust my 12 in a group like that? Yeah. She goes to camp all summer at home and I don't know those people either. Would I leave holy terror DS to some poor unsuspecting chaperone who has 15 other kids to deal with? No.

 

[Marionnette]

Aaaah, the chaperone part made it all make sense. With the other groups, Disney requires 1 adult per child under what? 14. With this, there is only 1-2 adults per group. Yipes. Would I trust my 12 in a group like that? Yeah. She goes to camp all summer at home and I don't know those people either. Would I leave holy terror DS to some poor unsuspecting chaperone who has 15 other kids to deal with? No.

The difference would be that all those people, that your daughter comes in contact with at camp, went through FBI and criminal background checks before they could work with children. You cannot say the same for someone who organizes a group on the internet.

 

[rachael_9667]

Well, not in my area of the world they don't but it's never been necessary to either. I can see how Disney draws freaks from all over though who want access to children but wouldn't they have to be parents themselves to even be the chaperone for an internet collected group? Not so much if it were a local group.

At any rate - how many people in my daughter's Girl Scout troop would I have to convince to come along in order to qualify? We were actually looking at what trip to take and they were thinking New York. I'm thinking we'd have way more fun at Disney!

 

[mrsklamc]

Well, and Disney's not stupid. They put an end to it because it wasn't what they wanted people doing.

 

[Marionnette]

Well, not in my area of the world they don't but it's never been necessary to either. I can see how Disney draws freaks from all over though who want access to children but wouldn't they have to be parents themselves to even be the chaperone for an internet collected group? Not so much if it were a local group.

At any rate - how many people in my daughter's Girl Scout troop would I have to convince to come along in order to qualify? We were actually looking at what trip to take and they were thinking New York. I'm thinking we'd have way more fun at Disney!

I hope that you had a criminal background check if you're a leader with your daughter's troop. It's required for all volunteers and employees of the organization...even in your part of the world.
http://www.girlscouts.org/for_adults/volunteering/volunteer_faq.asp#DoGirlScoutsrunbackground

 

[rachael_9667]

Troop leader did, we didn't and we parent volunteers do overnights with the girls. Like I said though, this is a very small small area of the world where things like that don't happen and until it does, it'll continue on like Mayberry.

Anyone know how many it takes to make a group b/c we may not have enough to qualify anyway.

 

[burnurcomputer]

It's because group enrollment was being abused by people, who had nothing to do with each other outside of Disney, just to get cheap tickets. This made it harder for legitimate groups like homeschoolers, Boy Scouts and church youth groups, to be able to enroll together. It's a shame that those legitimate groups now have to jump thru additional hoops in order to be able to sign up but that's what happens when people exploit a loophole.

Hold your horses there! I think that attitude about groups being formed is a bit smelly. I would love to have another YES experience or Kingdon Keepers, but none are offered during our time frame. The discount is very nice (and would be for Kingdom Keepers too, if they didn't need 10 people too!) thats true, but lets not paint everyone who wants to go a cheapskae and a cheat by making up there own groups. That was NOT a loophole, it was 100% allowable. Plus, the person who made the reservation for the group had to fork out all the $ up front for everyone in the group and hope that they were paid back. There have been many, many topics on here and a closed thread that was rampent with group forming requests..... We must all be exploting the Disney system. Its up to DISNEY to decide who is a legit group and who is not , not the Dis boarders. Plus, I am affilated with one of the above groups and being thrifty is one of the 12 points of the Scout Law.

 

[Marionnette]

Hold your horses there! I think that attitude about groups being formed is a bit smelly. I would love to have another YES experience or Kingdon Keepers, but none are offered during our time frame. The discount is very nice (and would be for Kingdom Keepers too, if they didn't need 10 people too!) thats true, but lets not paint everyone who wants to go a cheapskae and a cheat by making up there own groups. That was NOT a loophole, it was 100% allowable. Plus, the person who made the reservation for the group had to fork out all the $ up front for everyone in the group and hope that they were paid back. There have been many, many topics on here and a closed thread that was rampent with group forming requests..... We must all be exploting the Disney system. Its up to DISNEY to decide who is a legit group and who is not , not the Dis boarders. Plus, I am affilated with one of the above groups and being thrifty is one of the 12 points of the Scout Law.

No need to take what I wrote personally! You totally misunderstood what I said if you are implying that I said that every group that used the group enrollment was not legitimately interested in the classes.

There absolutely were people who signed up as a group just to get the cheap tickets. Some of those crumbs never even showed up for their YES classes. That took space away from legitimate groups who had a true interest in attending. Obviously, it was a big enough problem that Disney decided to limit the group enrollment to legitimate groups that could provide proof of it. It was 100% allowable. It isn't anymore. Why? Because Disney doesn't want it that way. Their program, their rules.

If you belong to one of those groups, then go for it. There should be more group classes available to your scout troop now that the bogus groups are no longer able to sign up.

 

[burnurcomputer]

No need to take what I wrote personally! You totally misunderstood what I said if you are implying that I said that every group that used the group enrollment was not legitimately interested in the classes.

There absolutely were people who signed up as a group just to get the cheap tickets. Some of those crumbs never even showed up for their YES classes. That took space away from legitimate groups who had a true interest in attending. Obviously, it was a big enough problem that Disney decided to limit the group enrollment to legitimate groups that could provide proof of it. It was 100% allowable. It isn't anymore. Why? Because Disney doesn't want it that way. Their program, their rules.

If you belong to one of those groups, then go for it. There should be more group classes available to your scout troop now that the bogus groups are no longer able to sign up.

Again, the groups weren't bogus. They were allowed. Yes, I understand that people didn't show up and yes, it impacts everyone else. The groups carried on and had fun even with a few kids missing. They don't cancell you that a.m and tell you to go home after you drove in, parked and were waiting at the Ticket and Transportation Center. They added you to another group of the same title if almost everyone bailed. But you know what? They who didn't show up were blackballed from ever participating again.

My problem is that you are telling the above poster your thoughts on why Disney changed the rules. Calling groups that were formed in the past bogus or not legitimate doesn't make sense when it was allowed. Fact is, the rule changed due to Disney's decision to change it. The reason why it is conjecture is unless we have the person in charge of the YES programs on here, telling us that, then we don't have Disneys final answer. I went in open enrollment, not with a group that was formed on here. However, there are plenty of Dis'ers that did. I think the Dis bashing of trying to start or inquire about YES programs being grouped needs to be left to Disney, not the Dis. It might be better to link them to the YES page that lists qualifications of what they consider a group.

Previous posters you can find it here: http://www.disneyyouth.com/youth-education-series/trip-planner/


or you can call the number directly to speack with a cast memeber.

 

[Granny square]

It appears to be that poster's opinion. I'd think she has a right to express it. We took our group, and it was far more difficult to arrange due to people looking for loopholes and abusing them.

Open enrollment became an option due to slow seasons. If people want the discounts those times are legitimately available.