Yes another TiW vs DP question or two

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We leave soon and we are so conflicted. We are in DW for 10 days. We have done all the calculators and we just don't know which is really worth it. TiW seems like a rip off. You do get the 20% off but have 18% auto added for gratuity. Leaving really only a 2% discount? Then looking at the chart there is very little listed in the way of quick service places. We don't drink alcohol either so having a discount for that makes no sense. That being said one of my older daughters eats very little and if we did the DP she won't eat her $64 worth. Is TiW worth it for a family of 5 for 10 days with older children and no one who drinks alcohol?
 
I don't think the dining plan is worth the cost, we'll get it when it's "free," but would never pay for it, and we're not light eaters. TIW can be a good deal, and will usually at least pay for itself, but how many meals do you have planned at included restaurants? If you're going to just eat a lot of QS it's probably not worth it.
 
Whether it's worth it depends in large part on where you will be dining as well as what you plan to order. I think the break even point is around $750 now with the new prices. That wouldn't be hard to hit for a family of five over 10 days if you are eating table service meals each day.

As for the discount it's only 2% if you didn't plan on tipping. You still get 20% off your food and drinks. 18% is pretty much the average tip these days so with or without the TiW card or dining plan we'd tip pretty much the same.
 
Don't forget that you'll still need to tip w/ the dining plan.

How many table service meals do you plan to do during the week? Whether or not it would be worth it really depends on what your plans are.
 

We leave soon and we are so conflicted. We are in DW for 10 days. We have done all the calculators and we just don't know which is really worth it. TiW seems like a rip off. You do get the 20% off but have 18% auto added for gratuity. Leaving really only a 2% discount? Then looking at the chart there is very little listed in the way of quick service places. We don't drink alcohol either so having a discount for that makes no sense. That being said one of my older daughters eats very little and if we did the DP she won't eat her $64 worth. Is TiW worth it for a family of 5 for 10 days with older children and no one who drinks alcohol?

No one here on the DIS can answer this for you.
You're correct, TiW is mainly TS not QS.
I agree with PP, 18% is a standard tip at TS. The TiW discount is 20%, unless you don't tip at all.
Maybe the best plan for your family is to pay OOP with neither discount program.
 
for a family of 5 for 10 days? you'd only have to average $15 per person per day at TS restaurants to "break even" - that is far less than the cost of one meal a day per person. So if you are planning to eat at least 1 TS per day on average then you will at least save a little bit. How much depends on how much above that you spend.
 
TiW seems like a rip off. You do get the 20% off but have 18% auto added for gratuity. Leaving really only a 2% discount?

Then looking at the chart there is very little listed in the way of quick service places.

Is TiW worth it for a family of 5 for 10 days with older children and no one who drinks alcohol?

It's anything but a ripoff. You were going to tip, right? Therefore it's a 20% discount.

Food courts at all values. (Aoa, pop, sports, movies,music) Sassagoula Float Works at POFQ. The qs at AK park. Food court at SSR.

TIW has paid off within 5 days for my family of three, no near-adult kids, one light drinker, with one TS per day. I can't see how it wouldn't work for you if you go to the included restaurants during non blockout date times.
 
As others have said, I think it depends on how many TS restaurants you plan to dine at (that accept TIW). We have 2 trips planned this year and I did some rough calculations for the first one and TIW will save us money with just one 7 day trip. That is for 2 adults and 1 child (we are a family of 4 but my youngest is still an infant by Disney standards) - we aren't drinkers at all but we will eat at 10 TS restaurants during that time frame. TIW is not as good of a deal as it once was (now that the price has gone up to $150) but still worth it for us :)
 
My family of only 3 (DS is almost 19) comes out way ahead with TIW and we don't always do a TS meal every day. We will do about 5 or 6 of them in a weeks time. Since it is a percentage based discount the larger your party the more you save.

And I am not following your math with it "only being a 2% discount". As has already been pointed out - it is most definitely 20% unless you were not planning to tip at all?!?! When the bill comes it is face value, you don't have to calculate anything further. For CS places it is good for use at Flame Tree BBQ, Pizzafari and Restaurantosaurus in AK and at Artist's Palette at SSR.

ETA we usually make 2-3 trips per year when we have AP's & the TIW but we usually hit our investment in the card on our first trip...DH and I do drink alcohol so it's a bonus for us. You DO have to plan to eat at restaurants that accept it. There are several that we skip because they don't take it but now that we have our 3rd trip coming up with it we may slip in someplace where we just use the DVC or AP discount since we've more than recovered our investment.
 
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We leave soon and we are so conflicted. We are in DW for 10 days. We have done all the calculators and we just don't know which is really worth it. TiW seems like a rip off. You do get the 20% off but have 18% auto added for gratuity. Leaving really only a 2% discount?

Subtracting the percentage of the discount from the percentage of the gratuity is not the correct way to determine the savings on TIW. You need to find the difference from the cost of the meal with the discount, from the cost of the meal without the discount. The late Cheshire Figment used to have a way to describe this perfectly.

In essence, say you make a restaurant purchase totaling $100. (We will leave tax off for the purposes of this demonstration).

Assuming you were going to tip anyway, an 18% tip adds $18 to the total. You are paying $118 for that meal.
If you use TIW on the same meal, subtract 20% from the total. You are now paying $80. Add the same $18 tip and you are paying $98 rather than $118, a difference of $20.
Even if you cut the tip to 15%, you are paying $115 for the same meal as opposed to $98. Now cut the tip even further to 10% (should you be someone who would actually tip 10%). Your bill would be $110 versus $98.
So no, it is not a 2% discount. A 2% discount would have resulted in a restaurant bill of $98 before tip, adding the 18% tip would make it $116. The only way you don't save something using TIW is if you choose to pay an abysmally small tip, or not to tip at all.

I don't know anybody who would disagree that paying $98 is a better deal than paying $118. The question is just whether you would use the TIW enough to recoup the cost of the membership.

There are 10 QS restaurants that will accept TIW. The only park with these restaurants is Animal Kingdom, the rest are at resorts. So if you're planning mostly QS then TIW might not work for you. But with several persons eating at participating table service restaurants for a long trip, it might add up the savings enough.
 
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We have an 11 day trip planned in Sept and will be a party of 6 for 7 of those days. We flip-flopped several times between TIW and DVC/Visa discounts. Once we made our 8 TS reservations last week and accounted for Flame Tree BBS (QS at AK) and our planned alcohol drinks/TOTW visits, TIW came out as the winner. If the entire trip had just been DW and myself, we would not have chosen the TIW route.
 
We leave soon and we are so conflicted. We are in DW for 10 days. We have done all the calculators and we just don't know which is really worth it. TiW seems like a rip off. You do get the 20% off but have 18% auto added for gratuity. Leaving really only a 2% discount? Then looking at the chart there is very little listed in the way of quick service places. We don't drink alcohol either so having a discount for that makes no sense. That being said one of my older daughters eats very little and if we did the DP she won't eat her $64 worth. Is TiW worth it for a family of 5 for 10 days with older children and no one who drinks alcohol?
Only if you don't ever tip
If you do, it's still 20% off
 
You really have to do the math. In my opinion, the DP is rarely worth it since few actually eat they way it is intended, it's a lot of food. I got TIW last year before the price went up and with my son, DIL and myself, we broke even on the 2nd day. We do enjoy a refreshing adult beverage and we prefer appetizers to dessert, the DP doesn't include those so you would have to pay out of pocket any way. I tend to tip 20% unless the service sucks big time, so even the 18% tip saved me money. I probably won't renew since it's gone up and my son has divorced so even though I will go twice a year, one of those trips will be solo and it's doubtful if he will be able to make a trip next year. Even with a refreshing adult beverage, I won't eat $700 worth of food in two trips since both trips are during F&G and F&W and I tend to eat most of my meals at the booths. With the three of us though, it was well worth it.
 
We leave soon and we are so conflicted. We are in DW for 10 days. We have done all the calculators and we just don't know which is really worth it. TiW seems like a rip off. You do get the 20% off but have 18% auto added for gratuity. Leaving really only a 2% discount? Then looking at the chart there is very little listed in the way of quick service places. We don't drink alcohol either so having a discount for that makes no sense. That being said one of my older daughters eats very little and if we did the DP she won't eat her $64 worth. Is TiW worth it for a family of 5 for 10 days with older children and no one who drinks alcohol?

You're not mathing properly.

$100 bill - 20% makes the bill $80. Add on the 18% gratuity and you pay $98.

Since you have to lay gratuity anyway, if you paid 18% on the original bill you'd be paying $118.

It essentially eliminates the need to budget for gratuities, which can add up. No, there aren't many QS covered. If that's what you'll eat most of it probably isn't a great bargain. I can't remember the amount you need to spend to start saving - somewhere around $600 or $650.

We budgeted for the DXDP for our family of 4 (2A 2K) for 9 nights. It was $3000 I think. By the time we were on our 7th day we had JUST hit the $2000 mark which included an extra adult, so the whole $2000 wasn't even just my family. It saved us a bunch. We didn't get any alcohol at meals either.

The See Ya Reel Soon dining calculator has a section to show the cost with TIW, all DDPs, and OOP.
 
Just another plug for TIW. We are a family of four. We got our third card in nov and used it two times then. We were back in March and used it 10 times. But we eat out in TS every night, usually get glasses or a bottle of wine, often eat a couple appetizers each rather than an entree. And I'm a good tipper where warranted always 20%. So it pays for itself quickly with us.
 
You're not mathing properly.

$100 bill - 20% makes the bill $80. Add on the 18% gratuity and you pay $98.

Since you have to lay gratuity anyway, if you paid 18% on the original bill you'd be paying $118.

It essentially eliminates the need to budget for gratuities, which can add up. No, there aren't many QS covered. If that's what you'll eat most of it probably isn't a great bargain. I can't remember the amount you need to spend to start saving - somewhere around $600 or $650.

We budgeted for the DXDP for our family of 4 (2A 2K) for 9 nights. It was $3000 I think. By the time we were on our 7th day we had JUST hit the $2000 mark which included an extra adult, so the whole $2000 wasn't even just my family. It saved us a bunch. We didn't get any alcohol at meals either.

The See Ya Reel Soon dining calculator has a section to show the cost with TIW, all DDPs, and OOP.

Once the price went up to $150 last year you now have to spend at least $750 at participating locations to recover your investment cost. That's about 6 meals that are at least $125 or more. Not that hard to do - especially if you have a larger party!! OP says they're a party of 5 going for 10 days....my little party of 3 can easily spend $50 for even a CS meal if DH gets a beer with it....with a party of 5 they could probably hit $75 or $80. For a TS meal we're often around $100 give or take a few dollars depending on the alcohol and venue. They would easily hit $125 even without alcohol.
 
Once the price went up to $150 last year you now have to spend at least $750 at participating locations to recover your investment cost. That's about 6 meals that are at least $125 or more. Not that hard to do - especially if you have a larger party!!

Oh, yeah. That's cake for OPs length of stay!

Still very much worth it for us as well!
 
The cost for FL residents is now $175, so my party would have to spend $875 for us to break even, (unless my math is off.) We're only planning six or seven TS meals, and have no other trips planned, but going over what we have booked again, makes me think it might actually be worth it after all.
 
The cost for FL residents is now $175, so my party would have to spend $875 for us to break even, (unless my math is off.) We're only planning six or seven TS meals, and have no other trips planned, but going over what we have booked again, makes me think it might actually be worth it after all.

FWIW the TIW is good for about 13 months (activates until the end of the month following your activation month) so if you are FL residents perhaps you could make another trip with it before it expires. (Example - we purchased ours last July 25th and it is valid until Aug. 30th of this year.)
 
Cheshire Figment RIP always posted this example regarding the TIW savings.
Here is a working example, using $100.00 as the original bill to make the math show up easily. Note this is for Table Service. At Counter Service there is no gratuity added.

100.00 - Original Menu Amount
*20.00 - Discount
*80.00 - Subtotal
*18.00 - Gratuity Added based on $100
**5.20 - Sales Tax on $80
103.20 - Final amount charged, takes into consideration discount, gratuity and tax.

Without TiW Discount (and still figuring 18% Gratuity)

100.00 - Original Menu Amount
*18.00 - Gratuity
**6.50 - Sales Tax on $100
124.50 - Total

$21.30 - Savings using TiW Card.

It is much more than a 2% discount.
 


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