Yee Haw Bob Sexual Harrassment

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I have no idea what you do but simply allowing public accusations without proof isn't the way. That is far from a straw man argument; public accusations with no proof will have a lasting effect on the accused in the court of public opinion. If you allow it to happen in these cases it will become acceptable for anything.

Do you have an example? I can't think of a single one. I think it's a straw man argument because there is not any evidence of this.

Sorry to blow your mind :rolleyes:. You are doing a really great job of cutting out sentences of people's comments to make your points. Did you miss the part where I said I believed Michelle thinks she was assaulted and that if it's true that Bob did assault her then he should be fired?

Honestly sorry you thought I was cutting to suit my point. I really just thought it was the best way to emphasize the point I was replying to. I didn't miss the other part, obviously, but you did literally say you were giving him the benefit of the doubt because you like him.
 
Honestly sorry you thought I was cutting to suit my point. I really just thought it was the best way to emphasize the point I was replying to. I didn't miss the other part, obviously, but you did literally say you were giving him the benefit of the doubt because you like him.
Yes. I like and admire him. By saying that I am giving him the benefit of the doubt I mean that I am not going to make a determination of GUILT over this one woman’s allegation. I’m not saying he is innocent, I’m just not ready to tar and feather him and participate in a witch hunt. Apparently you feel differently.
 
When, exactly, did one's buttocks become a sexual body part? Absolutely it depends exactly where he allegedly grabbed.


According to laws defining sexual assault, the buttocks is included in the definite of an “intimate” part of the body.
 

As awful as it would be to be falsely accused, as a victim, I can tell you it's a million times worse to live your life knowing your abuser is walking around likely abusing others.

I don't think it is something that can be measured against each other. You can't measure how hard someone takes something awful that happens in their life and say which one makes a person feel worse. They are both terrible.
 
I have no idea what you do but simply allowing public accusations without proof isn't the way. That is far from a straw man argument; public accusations with no proof will have a lasting effect on the accused in the court of public opinion. If you allow it to happen in these cases it will become acceptable for anything.

Does it, though? We've had two presidents that had multiple, very public accusations leveled against them. Congressmen. A SCOTUS justice. Many actors, musicians, and athletes. If anything, I think the accuser takes the bigger risk. There are plenty of cases of women being blackballed or penalized over speaking up against men who went about their lives with little more than a short-term inconvenience.
 
I think that sums the situation up perfectly: guilty or innocent, I can't see any easy way out of this for Bob to remain in his job now.

My problem is, no one else really knows the "guilty or innocent" answer for certain except for Bob's and Michelle's own personal interpretations of the same event. Disney obviously believed Bob's version (as there's absolutely no way they would have risked potentially damning brand-damage otherwise, especially if there was a photo sent to them) but Michelle has also made a very clear and compelling case on Facebook countering that opinion with her own side of the story. Sadly, Bob's guilt or innocence is probably now a moot point as this will all come down to whatever spreads fastest on the internet, and I think we all know how that will end.

My own concern, as I stated above, is that this all comes down to interpretation. I would be really amazed if in 20 years of arranging photo opportunities with assorted groups of people, hands had not occasionally landed in places where they should not have been while getting everyone lined up for a photo on that small stage area. And as I understand it, this incident was with quite a big group of Disney race bloggers, and presumably lots of cameras and mobile phones (which thinking about it in hindsight, would be a really stupid time to think about groping someone!).

Michelle clearly interpreted this as a completely deliberate and malicious attempt to "feel her up", and quite rightly she regards this as abuse against her person and in the current climate she is adamant that needs to be addressed and action taken. However this is an interpretation that I suspect Bob may not agree with, but I honestly think that whatever he might say now will just add fuel to the fire and be treated as merely a cover-up - it's now a case of "damned if you, damned if you don't". The internet will have decided.

So I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong as I wasn't there so I can't know - and further evidence may still crop up anyway, as this allegation is only 24 hours old. What I am saying is that I like and trust both Michelle and Bob, so there are still questions in my own mind as to two potential interpretations of the same event, both of which may be utterly accurate in each person's recall.

Now how you resolve that I have no idea, but as I said above I can't see any good outcome of this for Bob no matter whether this situation was actually accidental or malicious.

Andre

To address the part I bolded...I have been on the receiving end of a "grope" and in my opinion, there is NO mistaking it lol. I even denied it was happening on purpose and tried to back a bit out of the way, but no, his hand very intentionally hung on tight. I am not saying she is telling the truth, i have no idea who either of those people are. She is either telling the truth or she is lying, but saying she was "mistaken", eh, likely, not so much.
 
I'm going to venture to speak for everyone here for a moment
If at any time it comes to light that it is shown that Bob puts his hands on guests in an unwelcome manner intentionally he should be stripped of his awards and fired. Period. No questions.
I don't believe anyone will vouch for retaining him
 
Don't put words in my mouth, that's not what I said.

I know you didn't. I asked a question, one I've never gotten an answer to though I've asked it of many people who say the same things you've been saying about accusations and proof.

If the standard for making accusations should be proof, doesn't that in essence dismiss actions that don't leave physical evidence as a non-punishable violation of an unenforceable social norm? If the unwanted contact isn't violent enough to leave bruises and doesn't involve penetration, what possible proof could a victim offer to back up her (or his) story?
 
Does it, though? We've had two presidents that had multiple, very public accusations leveled against them. Congressmen. A SCOTUS justice. Many actors, musicians, and athletes. If anything, I think the accuser takes the bigger risk. There are plenty of cases of women being blackballed or penalized over speaking up against men who went about their lives with little more than a short-term inconvenience.

One is no better than the other. The problem is we have to find a way to fix this so that people who are assaulted feel safe in filing the complaints and people who are falsely accused are not ruined for life.
 
I didn't know who he was either but I googled him and found his web page. He has a tab for "this weeks pictures" which I found interesting. He doesn't touch anyone in them, his hands are out to the sides pointing in 99% of them.
Wonder what previous weeks/years look like.
 
And what proof is there of the $500 check?

True.

If there was a check, I'm very curious about the circumstances. When they contacted her, as she stated, did Disney say they did not believe there was an impropriety, but were sorry she felt there was and wanted to reimburse her for what she paid for the show. Or were they ignoring her accusations altogether and just throwing some money her way to basically shut her up. If they believed her accusations, or even suspected it might be true, I'd hope they would at least suspend the guy.
 
True.

If there was a check, I'm very curious about the circumstances. When they contacted her, as she stated, did Disney say they did not believe there was an impropriety, but were sorry she felt there was and wanted to reimburse her for what she paid for the show. Or were they ignoring her accusations altogether and just throwing some money her way to basically shut her up. If they believed her accusations, or even suspected it might be true, I'd hope they would at least suspend the guy.
I don’t think there was a check, period. I think she made that up to make her story seem more believable. How convenient that she destroyed the evidence! She doesn’t go to the police, she doesn’t produce or even look at the evidence (picture) she says exists and she rips up the evidence of a payoff by Disney. And she’s encouraging people to write to Disney about her BS? PLEASE!!
 
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