WWYD - someone being racist on the street

In that situation, I probably wouldn't have said anything as you never know if he has a weapon of some kind. I have to continually calm my self down in traffic for the same reason. When I get cut off or someone pulls out in front of me, I try to count to 10 because my initial reaction of using my horn and flipping them off could cost me my life these days.
 
Why would you even think that in the first place? Almost everyone was just ignoring him.

Because I'd like to believe he wasn't just unprovoked. If he's asking everyone else "where's my burger" and leaving it at that, why would he just willy nilly toss that out to someone? I've seen panhandlers get a little aggressive but only to those that have something to say to them. There's a guy local to me, a prosthetic leg and rumored to be a disabled veteran, that asks for change at an intersection. Most ignore him and he comments with "god bless". However, those that engage him and suggest he do things like get a job, stop begging, etc, tend to get a little more than "god bless".

Did you see the asian guy enter the restaurant and see first hand any exchange between the two?
 

It was kind of strange because I've seen all sorts of behavior before, but I really haven't seen anything like what I saw tonight.

My kid is enjoying Shake Shack now, and they have a BOGO offer on a ShackBurger until tomorrow. Our closest location is in Oakland in the rapidly gentrifying Uptown area, but it's still Oakland and can be rough around the edges.

There's this guy who seems to be homeless and in a wheelchair looking for handouts right in front of the Shake Shack entrance on the sidewalk. Kind of scruffy with a white beard. As people are going in he's asking for people to bring him something to eat. As people are exiting the door he's asking where the food is that he asked for. Most are ignoring him as is typical. Most panhandlers are used to it.

We're waiting a while since they're really busy with all sorts of orders - especially from food delivery services, so it's taking a while. We're enjoying it and it's a fun, lively atmosphere. I think some LGBT pride event finished as there seemed to be a few drag queens grabbing dinner and everyone is getting along fabulously. We're enjoying our meal but it's time to go home.

As we exit, he's asking various people exiting "Where's my cheeseburger?" But then he focuses on one guy who looks to be of east Asian ancestry and then asks him. When he walks away, he yells at him "Go back to China!" I saw the guy he confronted inside and I'll just say I don't think he was born in China and most definitely was not someone who didn't belong there. But I don't really care how hungry this homeless guy is, and I yell at him "What the *$*# is your problem?" I'm not usually like that in public, but made an exception for this lowlife. He's about to confront me then but I can just walk away faster than he can approach me in his chair. I'm not usually that confrontational, but this idiot just drove me into responding.

It did occur to me that maybe he has a weapon, perhaps just a knife. But the thing is that that I've been to Oakland many times and have never, ever seen anything like this. People tend to mind their own business, or otherwise just get along regardless of background. I wasn't sure if this guy could be removed from the street by police for disturbing the peace or something. Not that Oakland Police has the time for it, but I've been in a neighboring city where I've seen police remove panhandlers who were blocking the street and/or being obnoxious to people who wouldn't give money. Over the years I've seen regular panhandlers who were exceedingly polite and would never yell at anyone who failed to to give a handout.
I definitely would not have engaged in any way. I'm always concerned that the panhandlers I see might have a drug addiction or mental illness and may act in an unexpected manner if they are provoked. Obviously, that will not always be the case, but I figure it's better not to poke the bear. just in case.
 
I definitely would not have engaged in any way. I'm always concerned that the panhandlers I see might have a drug addiction or mental illness and may act in an unexpected manner if they are provoked. Obviously, that will not always be the case, but I figure it's better not to poke the bear. just in case.

You never heard of this case? He literally went back to beat up a panhandler with a tire iron after he felt that he had been insulted (the panhandler flashed an admittedly inappropriate tattoo he had).

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/03/14/pinkberry-co-founder-gets-jail-time-for-assault.html
 
Because I'd like to believe he wasn't just unprovoked.

What makes you think it couldn't be unprovoked? I was there. I went in about the same time. Nobody was even acknowledging the panhandler other than avoiding him.

Some people are just irredeemable.
 
Never heard of that case. Or Pinkberry, for that matter! :) Going to go crawl back under the rock I've been living under now, though, since I don't keep up with local LA news. ;)

I only remember that because it was just such a bizarre set of circumstances. Along with all the images of the guy, who hardly looked like anyone who would confront a panhandler with a tire iron.

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Nobody was even acknowledging the panhandler other than avoiding him.
That is such a sad reflection on society. He was asking for food and not one person was kind enough to buy him a cheap meal.
 
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I don't understand why this is an issue. Someone yelled something to someone else, it's just someone yelling. It's not something I would engage in and there's nothing illegal about yelling something no matter what it is.

Sounds like it was just a panhandler mouthing off to someone. Stuff like this isn't the end of the world. It wasn't a racist thing as much as just someone mouthing off, much the same as calling them a different nasty name. The panhandler could have yelled kiss my behind, or blow it out your rear, or you're a poopyhead, it's basically the same thing.
 
What makes you think it couldn't be unprovoked? I was there. I went in about the same time. Nobody was even acknowledging the panhandler other than avoiding him.

Some people are just irredeemable.

I'm not saying it WAS that way, just mentioning it COULD have been that way. You were a different party and "about the same time" isn't exactly with all parties involved (asian guy and panhandler). You heard ONE part of the events, at the end. I'm simply asking IF other things could have been said to lead up tp the part you witnessed.

Sorry if I spoiled your story of being brave and standing up to the wheelchair bound bully on behalf of a total stranger. Kudos to you for being so brave and doing what you thought was the right thing. I hope others can be more like this and be so offended for others that they say something, on their behalf.
 
Sorry if I spoiled your story of being brave and standing up to the wheelchair bound bully on behalf of a total stranger. Kudos to you for being so brave and doing what you thought was the right thing. I hope others can be more like this and be so offended for others that they say something, on their behalf.

Sorry, this part of your post was unnecessary.
 
Canada is not immune to senseless violence, as last week’s events clearly indicate.
:sad1: Of course not, not at all. But it IS the reality that those incidents are rare enough that they’re completely shocking and nothing that would cause the rest of us to start looking over our shoulders. Even when that perpetrator was at large, he was a one-man threat in a vast nation of 37 million. I doubt anybody felt like the next stranger they encountered had the potential to stab them to death (and for the record, he was not a stranger to his victims). It simply is not ingrained in our psyches that everyone we meet is potentially armed and dangerous - it just isn't that way.
 
It was kind of strange because I've seen all sorts of behavior before, but I really haven't seen anything like what I saw tonight.

My kid is enjoying Shake Shack now, and they have a BOGO offer on a ShackBurger until tomorrow. Our closest location is in Oakland in the rapidly gentrifying Uptown area, but it's still Oakland and can be rough around the edges.

There's this guy who seems to be homeless and in a wheelchair looking for handouts right in front of the Shake Shack entrance on the sidewalk. Kind of scruffy with a white beard. As people are going in he's asking for people to bring him something to eat. As people are exiting the door he's asking where the food is that he asked for. Most are ignoring him as is typical. Most panhandlers are used to it.

We're waiting a while since they're really busy with all sorts of orders - especially from food delivery services, so it's taking a while. We're enjoying it and it's a fun, lively atmosphere. I think some LGBT pride event finished as there seemed to be a few drag queens grabbing dinner and everyone is getting along fabulously. We're enjoying our meal but it's time to go home.

As we exit, he's asking various people exiting "Where's my cheeseburger?" But then he focuses on one guy who looks to be of east Asian ancestry and then asks him. When he walks away, he yells at him "Go back to China!" I saw the guy he confronted inside and I'll just say I don't think he was born in China and most definitely was not someone who didn't belong there. But I don't really care how hungry this homeless guy is, and I yell at him "What the *$*# is your problem?" I'm not usually like that in public, but made an exception for this lowlife. He's about to confront me then but I can just walk away faster than he can approach me in his chair. I'm not usually that confrontational, but this idiot just drove me into responding.

It did occur to me that maybe he has a weapon, perhaps just a knife. But the thing is that that I've been to Oakland many times and have never, ever seen anything like this. People tend to mind their own business, or otherwise just get along regardless of background. I wasn't sure if this guy could be removed from the street by police for disturbing the peace or something. Not that Oakland Police has the time for it, but I've been in a neighboring city where I've seen police remove panhandlers who were blocking the street and/or being obnoxious to people who wouldn't give money. Over the years I've seen regular panhandlers who were exceedingly polite and would never yell at anyone who failed to to give a handout.
You did the exact right thing. You confronted the racism but didn't confront the kook any further. Well done. They can in fact remove him. But it would be best of the business call to have it done. Side walk is public right of way ie the right to pass or go through on public property, not right of loiter, block, and harass. We have sovereign citizen kooks and first amendment frauditors around here that believe differently and that they have the right to do any darn thing they want on any public property (including inside court houses) but they eventually run afoul of the law and find out they're wrong. I
 
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:sad1: Of course not, not at all. But it IS the reality that those incidents are rare enough that they’re completely shocking and nothing that would cause the rest of us to start looking over our shoulders. Even when that perpetrator was at large, he was a one-man threat in a vast nation of 37 million. I doubt anybody felt like the next stranger they encountered had the potential to stab them to death (and for the record, he was not a stranger to his victims). It simply is not ingrained in our psyches that everyone we meet is potentially armed and dangerous - it just isn't that way.

I nodded my head reading this. You make a very good point about fear not being ingrained in us. When I go somewhere, I don’t check to see where the exits are, give everyone a once over to make sure they look safe, or be hyper vigilant about my surroundings.
 


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