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I rarely post but this thread struck a nerve.

As far as them protesting at the funeral of "one of their own", no one in uniform is holding that sign. What they are all holding is the knowledge that that casket could have been carrying their body instead of the policeman who was shot. They are holding the weight of seeing what the profession that they chosen can do to themselves and to their family. They watched 2 boys today bury their father and they thought of their own children. They watched a wife cry out and grieve for the lose of the man that she loves who was shot for nothing more than the badge that he wore and they thought of their wife or husband.

So before you berate the men in blue for disrespecting "one of their own," you should sit back and think of how each of those policemen and policewomen are out there protecting you, your family and your right to criticize them. They would give their lives to protect you and keep you safe even though you judge them or even hate them. They deserve your respect and your sympathy at this time, not your criticism.


Awesome post.
 
The officers turned their backs on the mayor when he spoke at the funeral. I found that to be in poor taste and disrespectful. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/27/police-officer-ramos-funeral-new-york/20934691/

I get that they're angry, and I get protesting, but not AT the funeral.

Disrespectful to who? They turned their backs on a TV Monitor, as a dear friend who is NYPD told me , you dont understand and he was right I don't and neither do you, so I won't judge them it wasn't someone from your family who was assasinated but it was someone frome theirs and I will never truly understand what they are going through and neither will you or hopefully you and I won't ever have to unerstand it. so I will not judge them it is a shame you feel you have the right to .
 
The officers turned their backs on the mayor when he spoke at the funeral. I found that to be in poor taste and disrespectful. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/27/police-officer-ramos-funeral-new-york/20934691/

I get that they're angry, and I get protesting, but not AT the funeral.

I agree.
This was not the time or place.


Given the fact the Mayor knew this was going to happen, it would have been more respectful on his part to not speak at the funeral.
 

Anti police protesters didn't show respect to the Mayor when he asked them not to protest until after both funerals had taken place and continued to do so. I see a pattern of the Mayor not earning respect. I think that is telling.



MJ
 
Given the fact the Mayor knew this was going to happen, it would have been more respectful on his part to not speak at the funeral.

Yeah, right. You know all the posters that would have been all over that like white on rice. Not to mention the right wing commentators.

The speakers at the funeral played the appropriate roles expected from their positions.
 
Agreed - of course the same applies to football & basketball uniforms as well.

Right! Clever line, but you diminish the memory of Det. Ramos by going there.

Remind me again about the oath that players take, how they fit into a chain of command, and how a game compares to a funeral honoring a man who was killed in the line of duty.
 
Yeah, right. You know all the posters that would have been all over that like white on rice. Not to mention the right wing commentators.

The speakers at the funeral played the appropriate roles expected from their positions.

Your politicized responses are not surprising.

The speakers were treated in kind. If the Mayor is upset about the inappropriateness of their conduct, then maybe a little self awareness is in order for him. Until then, I am not going to judge the men and women offended by his presence and words.
 
I rarely post but this thread struck a nerve.

As far as them protesting at the funeral of "one of their own", no one in uniform is holding that sign. What they are all holding is the knowledge that that casket could have been carrying their body instead of the policeman who was shot. They are holding the weight of seeing what the profession that they chosen can do to themselves and to their family. They watched 2 boys today bury their father and they thought of their own children. They watched a wife cry out and grieve for the lose of the man that she loves who was shot for nothing more than the badge that he wore and they thought of their wife or husband.

So before you berate the men in blue for disrespecting "one of their own," you should sit back and think of how each of those policemen and policewomen are out there protecting you, your family and your right to criticize them. They would give their lives to protect you and keep you safe even though you judge them or even hate them. They deserve your respect and your sympathy at this time, not your criticism.

So you think these actions occurred at the right time and the right place?
 
Right! Clever line, but you diminish the memory of Det. Ramos by going there.

Remind me again about the oath that players take, how they fit into a chain of command, and how a game compares to a funeral honoring a man who was killed in the line of duty.

Were any of those officers outside performing a duty for the mayor at that moment? You don't think for one minute that if danger presented that they would refuse to honor their oath, do you?

If so--then this thread is laughable and faux outrage of a false premise.
 
Yeah, right. You know all the posters that would have been all over that like white on rice. Not to mention the right wing commentators.

The speakers at the funeral played the appropriate roles expected from their positions.

My DD lives in NYC and her response concurred with yours...she said " that guy can do nothing right, him not speaking would not have gone over well at all, it's a no win ":confused3
 
I rarely post but this thread struck a nerve.

As far as them protesting at the funeral of "one of their own", no one in uniform is holding that sign. What they are all holding is the knowledge that that casket could have been carrying their body instead of the policeman who was shot. They are holding the weight of seeing what the profession that they chosen can do to themselves and to their family. They watched 2 boys today bury their father and they thought of their own children. They watched a wife cry out and grieve for the lose of the man that she loves who was shot for nothing more than the badge that he wore and they thought of their wife or husband.

So before you berate the men in blue for disrespecting "one of their own," you should sit back and think of how each of those policemen and policewomen are out there protecting you, your family and your right to criticize them. They would give their lives to protect you and keep you safe even though you judge them or even hate them. They deserve your respect and your sympathy at this time, not your criticism.



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Yeah, right. You know all the posters that would have been all over that like white on rice. Not to mention the right wing commentators.

The speakers at the funeral played the appropriate roles expected from their positions.


That could have easily been handled by having the Mayor release a statement, something to the effect - "Out of respect to the slain officers and the current sentiment, I will not be playing a part in the funeral of the officers."
 
My DD lives in NYC and her response concurred with yours...she said " that guy can do nothing right, him not speaking would not have gone over well at all, it's a no win ":confused3

When they occurs to any individual, then it is time for a self evaluation as to why exactly that is. If there is no right answer because they can't win--why is that?

I have no doubt that not going to the funeral at all would have been received poorly--but why not just attend and not speak? Why is speaking necessary?

Quite honestly, I don't know why either dignitary had to speak. But I am not a fan of that sort of thing for funerals. Seems to--can't think of the word--so I will use spectacle for lack of a better term. Because these people did not know the deceased personally. What kind of eulogy could be offered when you dont actually know the person?

Why can't they just attend as a show if support?
Anyway-- this is just my cynical view of all funerals of essentially ordinary citizens.
 
I don't agree with the dump de Blazio part of the sign nor the cops turning their backs during the Mayor's part of the service. The Service was for the Murdered Police Officer. I would have much perfered that the Mayor Stayed away. As could be seen that he was persona non grata there. Cuomo and Biden tried to stay away from him. de Blazio with his constant fuax sniffling through his speech was sickening to me. Today is a new day and I support any effort to get rid on the Mayor. I would also like to see all of the protesters calling for dead cops go down to their local precent and waive any police protection.
 
Hmmmm, others think it was the wrong setting.

“You crossed the line,” said Eric Adams, the Brooklyn borough president, a Democrat and a former police officer. “We all played by one rule: that when you have that uniform on, you don’t get involved in the political atmosphere.”

The silent rebuke by the officers on Saturday left some inside the department debating whether it was appropriate.

“I understand the climate, I understand the frustration that the officers were feeling,” said one high-ranking Police Department official, who requested anonymity to speak about politics. “But as humans, there should have been some restraint.”

Detective Yuseff Hamm, the president of the Guardians, a fraternal organization of black officers, said he objected to the time and place of the protest. “It could happen every other time he speaks, great,” he said. “But that particular time, as he is addressing the funeral, that was not the time for it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/29/n...-protest-of-de-blasio-inappropriate.html?_r=0
 
Yeah, right. You know all the posters that would have been all over that like white on rice. Not to mention the right wing commentators.

The speakers at the funeral played the appropriate roles expected from their positions.

Yup, it's a right wing conspiracy.
 

I think that you will find that most disagree with the actions at the funeral. However it was not organized, it was the average police officer expressing their feelings that the mayor doesn't support them and they don't support him. It's great for the mayor to call for a time for everyone to step back and reflect on the memories of the two murdered police officers. Yet he during these times rather than asking for calm, he came out against the NYPD lableing them as Racist, by explaining that he had to have a talk with his teenage son on people of color and the police. de Blazio ran on anti police platform and to expect the rank and file of the NYPD to support him or ignore his past actions and statements is Ludicrous. de Blazio sowed these seeds of distrust of the NYPD, now it is payback time for him.
 
Right! Clever line, but you diminish the memory of Det. Ramos by going there.

Remind me again about the oath that players take, how they fit into a chain of command, and how a game compares to a funeral honoring a man who was killed in the line of duty.

There's a pretty clear chain of command in team sports, and a code of conduct in every signed contract. I'm a little puzzled why you see a difference. It's either appropriate in both instances or neither. And I say neither.
 
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