Would you cruise with DCL if they asked to have proof of CV vaccine?

[insureman]

Side effects being reported in the vaccine studies have been worse than what most experience from the actual virus. Will be interesting to see continuing info from studies, as well as how it effects general population once one is approved.

Where was that reported? Edit: Never mind saw the other responses.

 

[Chrissy-Mickey]

I would NOT sail unless all passengers and crew have been vaccinated. I'm actually troubled at anyone that has already made their mind up about a vaccine based on their "research" when the vaccine isn't even available yet. That just tells me they are set in their ways and won't accept any protection for their health.

I'm honestly confused with your comment because I didn't see anyone claiming they'll never take the vaccine.

(Please read the following as more of an explanation of my point of view, not as an attack on yours.)

I'm seeing people worried about companies that are getting million-dollar contracts to create a vaccine fast. I'm seeing people questioning the quality and safety of these vaccines.

This thread is asking about if you would cruise if you have to have proof of a vaccine... I'm choosing to push back cruising to give myself some time to be convinced that the vaccine is safe. I didn't say I would never get a vaccine, but I wouldn't rush to get one so that I can cruise.

I had a trip planned this summer to Indonesia, and when traveling there it is recommended (not mandatory) to take a vaccine against Hepatitis A. I got the vaccine without concern because the vaccination has been around for a while, proving its safety and quality over time. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and would take vaccinations in the future for my leisure travels when I feel comfortable doing so.

 

[sethschroeder]

I agree, DCL could put into terms and conditions for boarding so anti vaxers will be denied boarding at departure port. Now THAT will be interesting, tee hee

There is a big difference between vaccines that have been around for a couple generations and a vaccine pushed out to stop a pandemic and not having been in the wild for more than a few months time.

I would NOT sail unless all passengers and crew have been vaccinated. I'm actually troubled at anyone that has already made their mind up about a vaccine based on their "research" when the vaccine isn't even available yet. That just tells me they are set in their ways and won't accept any protection for their health.

I am troubled by someone signing up for a vaccine that is not approved, has not been fully tested/approved, and not even knowing posted side effects.

So let's all calm down and wait for testing and results.

 

[sethschroeder]

I had a trip planned this summer to Indonesia, and when traveling there it is recommended (not mandatory) to take a vaccine against Hepatitis A. I got the vaccine without concern because the vaccination has been around for a while, proving its safety and quality over time. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and would take vaccinations in the future for my leisure travels when I feel comfortable doing so.

1,000,000% this

 

[sethschroeder]

I would also like an option to provide proof you had COVID19 already instead of a vaccine as well if there is no additional benefit of the vaccine over just having been infected.

 

[tvguy]

I can't say at this point. With all due respect to the Moderator, the vaccine and my decision whether I would get it for a cruise are joined at the hip. Side effects/effectiveness/cost would all have a huge impact on my decision.

 

[AquaDame]

I can't say at this point. With all due respect to the Moderator, the vaccine and my decision whether I would get it for a cruise are joined at the hip. Side effects/effectiveness/cost would all have a huge impact on my decision.

Not sure if this was directed at me or not, but the people I quoted and asked to stop were arguing about the vaccine itself outside the context of taking it or not to be able to sail. Within context, as long as everyone keeps their cool and doesn't drag politics or personal attacks into this, its all good.

 

[JM23457]

Since it takes years to evaluate long-term side-effects, no, I won't be lining up to get a brand new vaccine, especially one that was rushed through production. My health is more important than any cruise.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I voted yes. They haven't announced anything yet but I'm sure my hospital will require us to get it, like any other vaccine.

 

[Intr3pid]

Absolutely, yes. A vaccine that has been proven to be safe and effective is by far the BEST protection you have for yourself and for others. There is nothing worse than an asymptotic individual derailing an entire ship's operation and possibly an entire industry's recovery with carelessness.

That being said, I would be fine with negative COVID test results as well - as long as the test has been proven to be largely accurate. (This isn't the case yet.) For longer voyages, I would ask for a second test onboard, as two negatives in a row is a much more reliable result.

For anyone deferring to see the decades-long history of a vaccine - or refusing to get tested, for that matter - please stay off the ships. There is no need for you to cruise. Your time will come. Let's start with individuals at a lower risk of carrying and spreading the virus - meaning those with vaccinations, negative test results, antibodies from prior exposure, etc.

 

[ladyofthetramp]

Interesting question. But... we need to wait. What will be the effectiveness of the vaccine? You can get the vaccine, have little to no side effects, but like the flu vaccines some years, it is only 30% effective. So you still may get sick, maybe not as severe, but still have outbreaks about cruise ships. For people to not get sick at that point, you would need most people to get/have been vaccinated. That is going to take awhile. I don't know if I will get the vaccine right away and I am not sure when my family may be eligible. Not sure you can require it if a vast majority can't obtain it. Dealing with this virus and our ability to cruise, I believe, is going to take more than just a vaccine. I hope we can figure it out soon, not just to take my cruise vacation at some point, but to return to a more normal way of living

 

[MOPNB]

Can I ask a question?
It's been 10 years since my last cruise and I can't remember, are anti-vaxers already prohibited from boarding?
If someone declines MMR or Polio or Pertussis or Dtab for example, are they also prohibited from cruising?
Not off topic...but this is getting me to rethinking my answer.

 

[Chrissy-Mickey]

Can I ask a question?
It's been 10 years since my last cruise and I can't remember, are anti-vaxers already prohibited from boarding?
If someone declines MMR or Polio or Pertussis or Dtab for example, are they also prohibited from cruising?
Not off topic...but this is getting me to rethinking my answer.

No, there are no mandates when it comes to vaccines for cruisers.

 

[sethschroeder]

Can I ask a question?
It's been 10 years since my last cruise and I can't remember, are anti-vaxers already prohibited from boarding?
If someone declines MMR or Polio or Pertussis or Dtab for example, are they also prohibited from cruising?
Not off topic...but this is getting me to rethinking my answer.

Was on cruise last year but it was just to British Virgin Islands/Castaway. There was zero medical records required. I would suspect the only restriction right now is regarding cruises going to countries with specific vaccine requirements.

Honestly I have a hard time thinking Disney would do this on their own. It would be a foreign government restriction on the cruise entering their waters/port. What I do think Disney might do is a combo of proof where you pick 1 or 2 from a long list of options. Having the vaccine would be one of the options.

In reality vaccines don't work 100% of the time so if someone is truly worried about any potential outbreak it would be vaccines plus quarantine prior to the cruise. I am not saying don't get common place vaccines just be aware that just because you got a vaccine does not guarantee you are fully immune. If the vaccine is 95% effective that means roughly 200 people on the Fantasy/Dream would still be vulnerable.

What a vaccine will do long term is choke off and kill off any potential spread. What I think the vaccine will do is give liability coverage through a vaccine being on the list of suggested immunizations for all cruises (even river cruises in the same country).

 

[Cruising Engineer]

We're itching to back on a cruise but the required proof of vaccination would definitely stop the itch. The more testing and disclosure of reactions to all the different vaccines under development currently would determine my willingness to take the jab. Certainly don't want to see law firm TV ads about this vaccine any time soon.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

They don't require any vaccinations for any other diseases right now, so why would they start?

If any of their ports required the vaccine, they would start requiring a vaccine. Much like proof of certain vaccines are required to get travel visas into certain countries now. DCL is not sailing any itineraries with requirements right now, but the Caribbean nations may place those requirements on the COVID-19 jab.

 

[jerry557]

It's not just anti-vaxxers. The reason many are not wanting to get a vaccine quickly is because there will be safety concerns. Vaccines typically take 5 or more years to develop. Usually longer. And it can take even longer to verify if they actually work. We are creating this COVID vaccine in less than a year with fast track trials and there no way we can determine how much immunity you maintain for how long. There will be serious questions involving effectiveness and side effects that may not be fully known for years to come.

The worst thing to do is require everyone to get a vaccine and after we've given it to millions discover it causes a harmful side effect. Then we have an even bigger problem.

Access to a vaccine will also be limited for awhile. It would likely only be available first to front-line healthcare workers, elderly, those people in communal living facilities, and those in high risk categories or regions. It could be quite awhile before healthy younger people and children even have access to the vaccine since they are considered "low risk."

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

It's not just anti-vaxxers. The reason many are not wanting to get a vaccine quickly is because there will be safety concerns. Vaccines typically take 5 or more years to develop. Usually longer. And it can take even longer to verify if they actually work. We are creating this COVID vaccine in less than a year with fast track trials and there no way we can determine how much immunity you maintain for how long. There will be serious questions involving effectiveness and side effects that may not be fully known for years to come.

The worst thing to do is require everyone to get a vaccine and after we've given it to millions discover it causes a harmful side effect. Then we have an even bigger problem.

Access to a vaccine will also be limited for awhile. It would likely only be available first to front-line healthcare workers, elderly, those people in communal living facilities, and those in high risk categories or regions. It could be quite awhile before healthy younger people and children even have access to the vaccine since they are considered "low risk."

The long term trials are mostly to see how long the immunity lasts. Not everyone wants to wait around for 5-10 yrs with schools and businesses closed to be able to find out when a booster is needed. Dogs and cats get a rabies shot every year. Does that make it a bad vaccine? Hopefully Covid vaccine lasts longer than that. Just saying.

I can’t see the government forcing people to get a vaccine. That is very different than requiring it for a very optional vacation.

 

[AquaDame]

It's not just anti-vaxxers. The reason many are not wanting to get a vaccine quickly is because there will be safety concerns. Vaccines typically take 5 or more years to develop. Usually longer. And it can take even longer to verify if they actually work. We are creating this COVID vaccine in less than a year with fast track trials and there no way we can determine how much immunity you maintain for how long. There will be serious questions involving effectiveness and side effects that may not be fully known for years to come.

The worst thing to do is require everyone to get a vaccine and after we've given it to millions discover it causes a harmful side effect. Then we have an even bigger problem.

Access to a vaccine will also be limited for awhile. It would likely only be available first to front-line healthcare workers, elderly, those people in communal living facilities, and those in high risk categories or regions. It could be quite awhile before healthy younger people and children even have access to the vaccine since they are considered "low risk."

The long term trials are mostly to see how long the immunity lasts. Not everyone wants to wait around for 5-10 yrs with schools and businesses closed to be able to find out when a booster is needed. Dogs and cats get a rabies shot every year. Does that make it a bad vaccine? Hopefully Covid vaccine lasts longer than that. Just saying.

I can’t see the government forcing people to get a vaccine. That is very different than requiring it for a very optional vacation.

Friendly reminder that this thread is to discuss if YOU would still sail if the vaccine were required, not to debate the process of vetting a vaccine, and certainly not to discuss what the government will do outside of cruising. Thanks.

 

[CaseyCruiser]

YES