Would you consider this line cutting?

[ms_missy66]

Oh good grief... This has gotten so far off topic! IMO, there is a huge difference between someone pushing you out of the way to advance their position in line and someone sitting at a table at a QS without food in front of them. And for the record, I was there last week and only once saw a CM half-way directing traffic in a MK QS.

For those planning your first trip, you'll do a very large percentage of your rides without cutters and be able to sit when eating your meals. Don't let this thread poop on your party. I'm half sorry I started it. I was just wondering if I was getting my "panties in a wad" about something that others thought was no big deal.

 

[melancholywings]

I'm a table saver. And honestly I'd rather see a mom struggling with several crying screaming kids sit at a table than run amuk in line and underfoot of people carrying hot foods.
And Disney enforces the table rules during peak hours not out of some magical moral need, but they do it in order to flip the tables as fast as possible, and make as much $$ as possible. It's not about manners it's about money.

 

[tiffjoy]

And Disney enforces the table rules during peak hours not out of some magical moral need, but they do it in order to flip the tables as fast as possible, and make as much $$ as possible. It's not about manners it's about money.

That's a really good point. I bet that is why they do it.

 

[VAN]

I have to say that if I've waited in the food line for 30 minutes only to find that there is absolutely NO totally empty place to sit, I will also "join" someone who is on their own with no food.

I know the person saving the table would like to keep it open for their group; however, if they don't have their food yet and there are no other places to sit ... it is just rude to "refuse" to relinquish their table. Now if their group were at the head of the food line and just about to arrive, that might be something else.

At any rate, when you go during busy times you need to have a sense of courtesy about you. If you are there when plenty of tables are available for those just getting their food, then, of course, it makes "sense" that you can sit down while waiting for your group.

We don't normally go during the peak times, but if we did, I think I'd try to time my meals during the "off-peak" times (e.g. lunch at 2:00 instead of 12:00 or 12:30).

 

[MiniGirl]

I'm a table saver. And honestly I'd rather see a mom struggling with several crying screaming kids sit at a table than run amuk in line and underfoot of people carrying hot foods.
And Disney enforces the table rules during peak hours not out of some magical moral need, but they do it in order to flip the tables as fast as possible, and make as much $$ as possible. It's not about manners it's about money.

Of course, Disney is a business and they want to do all they can to make money. In your own post though, you admit that not allowing people to "save" a table is more efficient. It allows more people to eat in a faster amount of time.

I understand table saving, but I don't like it. I guess it is because I'm usually there with my 2 young children. I need to keep them with me, so I can't send anyone to save a table. We have, in the past, spent a lot of time walking around trying to find a table. I have sat down to eat and noticed many times someone saving a table. When we are done and get up to leave, they are still saving that table.

Whatever though. It doesn't bother me anymore because now we only go at off times, so we always get a table. Doing this also enables us to get more rides in, too, since the lines are shorter while everyone else is eating.

 

[Disneyadore]

So you are telling me that your whole family gets in line to get food and then you all wander around together looking for a table? That makes no sense at all. It's hard for me to believe that you've NEVER saved a table for your family at a restaurant, let alone Disney. If you haven't, then fine. To each his own. Your comment about tables being reserved for patrons makes sense if I'm sitting in an Applebees taking a load off. However, at Disney, everyone is a patron regardless of if they just ordered a meal or not. The air conditioned restaurants aren't just for people who are eating their hamburgers, but for anyone at Disney! To assume that someone that is sitting down at a table without food should give up their seat for you is nonsense. Maybe they just finished eating and are still resting their feet? Maybe they wondered around for several minutes scoping out a table as well? Maybe they just sat down and are only planning on sitting for a few minutes? To place your needs above the needs of others whom you know nothing about their circumstance seems quite insensitive and selfish. You make it sound like everyone should move out of your way since you are a patron and are ready to sit down NOW!! There are thousands of people at Disney waiting to sit down NOW. What makes you more special than anyone else?

So according to you I'm a patron and I can demand to be seated at the California Grill when the fire work starts because I want to rest my tired feet at a cooled restaurant
I don't need to eat there because I'm a patron ,my needs triumph above paying guests, I deserve a chair and I'm entitled to occupy every table that I like?
And you know what makes me special? I pay to sit in a restaurant and I deserve and PAY a place to sit and not the bum that is just looking for a non paid spot.

The same reason you give would entitle every one to go and sleep in the Grand Floridian because they are all patrons and deserve and equal place to sleep.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Of course, Disney is a business and they want to do all they can to make money. In your own post though, you admit that not allowing people to "save" a table is more efficient. It allows more people to eat in a faster amount of time.

I understand table saving, but I don't like it. I guess it is because I'm usually there with my 2 young children. I need to keep them with me, so I can't send anyone to save a table. We have, in the past, spent a lot of time walking around trying to find a table. I have sat down to eat and noticed many times someone saving a table. When we are done and get up to leave, they are still saving that table.

Whatever though. It doesn't bother me anymore because now we only go at off times, so we always get a table. Doing this also enables us to get more rides in, too, since the lines are shorter while everyone else is eating.

We go off season, too. So we always have someone looking for a seat, and it doesn't cause an issue for others. I wouldn't go, otherwise. It would just be too much trouble. It is a darned if you do and darned if you don't with my family. No one wants to stand in line with 10 people including my mom in an ecv and the baby in a stroller. If there aren't seats, then we wait. The worst was at the pizza place in DL. I have never, in all my trips seen such chaos. Nor lines, no seats, it was a free for all. Funny thing was that the guests were as charming as ever. Letting people through, helping with little ones straying, handing things across. That was heartwarming. The organization was horrific, however!!

I agree with the OP, though. Newbies, very few people care about any of the things that people argue about here. The majority of people smile at mom's in need, hold the doors for the elderly, and want to make the trip as nice for others as they want the trip to be. It is the Happiest Place because of the attitudes of others, rather than in spite of the attitudes of others.

 

[Disneyrsh]

That's a really good point. I bet that is why they do it.

Yes.

So we tend to only be looking for QS for the kids at lunch..but now I'm afraid I'm going to get ousted from my seat because I have no food in front of me and that seat is needed for actual eaters Now my daughter will have to share her fries with Mommy or I might not be able to sit with her.

 

[DisneyDorkORama]

oh gee whiz people get their panties in a wad over the littlest things..

 

[melancholywings]

Of course, Disney is a business and they want to do all they can to make money. In your own post though, you admit that not allowing people to "save" a table is more efficient. It allows more people to eat in a faster amount of time.

I just have a beef with the argument turning into some big emotional moral issue. Which it's not. It's about money and turn over. It's not even a cultural thing. You go to the fast food place down the street on a super busy day - and no one bats an eye if you go sit down while someone in your party orders. Go to the same fast food place at Disney and suddenly that same situation is considered rude and the person horrible. Even if Disney isn't asking or enforcing people to filter through the food line first.

Disney can bring out the worst sense of entitlement in people. People who feel entitled to a seat on the bus, table, river boat, stroller parking, line, freebie, autograph, etc. Thousands of people crammed into a small space, with multiple cultures all feeling entitled to everything. With that many people you have to be responsible and proactive about the needs of your own family.

I understand table saving, but I don't like it. I guess it is because I'm usually there with my 2 young children. I need to keep them with me, so I can't send anyone to save a table. We have, in the past, spent a lot of time walking around trying to find a table. I have sat down to eat and noticed many times someone saving a table. When we are done and get up to leave, they are still saving that table.

Whatever though. It doesn't bother me anymore because now we only go at off times, so we always get a table. Doing this also enables us to get more rides in, too, since the lines are shorter while everyone else is eating.

You and your family would always be welcome to share our table. We like the excitment of meeting new people and are not scared to mingle. (Plus I love that dress in your sig)

 

[Keegansmommy]

I waited in character lines a few times while my husband played with our 18 month old son. When it got close to our turn, they joined me in line. I'd rather have parents "cut" than have to unrealistically try to entertain their toddler in line. If the line was really crowded and they could not easily join us, then they'd just wait with us.

 

[estherhead]

I waited in character lines a few times while my husband played with our 18 month old son. When it got close to our turn, they joined me in line. I'd rather have parents "cut" than have to unrealistically try to entertain their toddler in line. If the line was really crowded and they could not easily join us, then they'd just wait with us.

Character lines are a little different because your entire family is going to meet the character together. It takes the same amount of time for you to meet Mickey as it does for all of you to meet Mickey since you meet him & photograph together. This is my same thing with the earlier conversation about a dad going to the bathroom with a kid and then hopping back into line. I really don't see how this hurts at a place like Splash Mt. since they will all ride in the same log & it doesn't slow my trip down at all. And I don't understand why people get all up in arms about something which really doesn't increase their wait time.

I have personally stood in line at Dumbo & had dh hand me my 3 yr old later. How could this possibly hurt or offend anyone? Whether I ride Dumbo alone or with my 3 yr old is really irrelevant to anyone else since we take up one Dumbo car either way. If I stood in line for 30 minutes with a screaming 3 yr old, THAT would effect everyone both in front & behind me. And if I waited in line alone & had 10 people join me at the last moment, THAT is also obnoxious. But that has never happened to me.

I personally plan to have inconsiderate people be inconsiderate at WDW. It isn't like it should be a big surprise. There are inconsiderate people everywhere & there is absolutely nothing I can do to change them.

So I go to WDW at rope drop. I use FP's constantly. I eat my food at off times. And I almost never am annoyed by inconsiderate people at WDW. And when I am, I say something directly to them.

 

[livie1205]

well I guess if this is wdw POLICY then they dont care if we do it because my dh always takes the kids and sits and waits for me to order...we go many times a year at all times and have never ever been told we couldnt sit without food...and I promise you will not be plopping your backside down at our table....the kids will drive you away in a instant asking why you are so rude as to sit at our table without asking... I really do not care about the "table police" we are going to keep doing it that way, there is no need in dragging 3 kids in a crowded line...

 

[maxiesmom]

well I guess if this is wdw POLICY then they dont care if we do it because my dh always takes the kids and sits and waits for me to order...we go many times a year at all times and have never ever been told we couldnt sit without food...and I promise you will not be plopping your backside down at our table....the kids will drive you away in a instant asking why you are so rude as to sit at our table without asking... I really do not care about the "table police" we are going to keep doing it that way, there is no need in dragging 3 kids in a crowded line...

If you are going during a busy time you won't be able to get to the table before you get your food. The CM stationed at the entrance to the seating area won't let you. When Disney decides they need to police it, they do a good job of it. I know when we were at Pecos Bills they even blocked off the back door. You couldn't get in that way.

Disney doesn't always enforce this. But when they do you can't get away from it.

 

[livie1205]

If you are going during a busy time you won't be able to get to the table before you get your food. The CM stationed at the entrance to the seating area won't let you. When Disney decides they need to police it, they do a good job of it. I know when we were at Pecos Bills they even blocked off the back door. You couldn't get in that way.

Disney doesn't always enforce this. But when they do you can't get away from it.

we go at christmas time ,around easter and spring break...with no problem getting a table without food...went to pecos bills and cosmic rays...even the hotdog place a time or two.We just got back around spring break time with no one telling us we could not sit at a CS place..there were plenty of people "holding tables" and it did not bother us at all...why would I want a mom trying to wrangle 4 kids standing in the line in front of me while the kids change their minds 100 x about what they want making the line longer?

 

[rparmfamily]

LOL this has turned into one of those great DVC threads...did anyone pool-hop before the park and refilled their mug from 6 yrs ago on their way to sit down at the table their family saved for the last 45 mins while you finished up a ride and got in line and ordered food LOL?

 

[maxiesmom]

we go at christmas time ,around easter and spring break...with no problem getting a table without food...went to pecos bills and cosmic rays...even the hotdog place a time or two.We just got back around spring break time with no one telling us we could not sit at a CS place..there were plenty of people "holding tables" and it did not bother us at all...why would I want a mom trying to wrangle 4 kids standing in the line in front of me while the kids change their minds 100 x about what they want making the line longer?

Just because you haven't run into it yet dosesn't mean you won't. My trip over the 4th of July last year we only saw this in effect once. So it must just depend. But when we saw it the CM was standing right by the enterance to the tables, so there was no way you could get by them.

 

[ScotsMinnie]

Ok since I think it may have been my post that started this chat about holding tables let me clarify what I meant. I described an occasion where I was in the MK by myself with my child in a stroller and my other child who was 7. I expressed frustration at not being able to find a table to sit at in Pecos Bills Cafe as lots were filled with people who were not even eating yet.

I don't think it is unreasonable to be frustrated by this when not only could I not find an empty table but when one did appear because I was juggling a tray and pushing a stroller I wasn't fast enough to get one! Often table holders were taking the tables I was trying to get to because they could move faster!

I find it hard to believe that anyone can actually say that this situation is OK and I shouldn't have a little complain. Our meals were getting cold and all I wanted was somewhere to sit to eat them with my children. I can see that sometimes it is handy to be able to wait at a table while someone orders but perhaps some consideration should be given to those who cannot do that. Instead of talking about the fact you are entitled to wait there how about showing some consideration for others?

This notion of entitlement is something I noticed a lot last trip and most of the rude behaviour involved someone feeling they were entitled to something because its included or whatever. Common courtesy seems to get forgotten sometimes.

 

[leahjade]

I expressed frustration at not being able to find a table to sit at in Pecos Bills Cafe as lots were filled with people who were not even eating yet.

I can understand you being frustrated if people were sitting at the table who weren't even eating at the restaurant, but if some family members are sitting waiting for the tray holders to return, why should they have to get up to give you a seat? I'm sure a lot of the table holders had strollers and small children as well, so I'm not sure why you think they should get up and give you their table?

 

[maxiesmom]

I can understand you being frustrated if people were sitting at the table who weren't even eating at the restaurant, but if some family members are sitting waiting for the tray holders to return, why should they have to get up to give you a seat? I'm sure a lot of the table holders had strollers and small children as well, so I'm not sure why you think they should get up and give you their table?

Maybe because people who actually have their food and want to eat should take priority over those who do not?

I don't believe the tables in the counter service restaurants are meant to be rest stops. Their main function is to serve as someplace for people to eat. If it is busy and there are not other tables readily available it is rude to sit down and take a place away from those who already have food and need a place to sit and eat it. Jmho.