Would you be offended if your child's teacher gave them these?

[golfgal]

You do realize that not all kids master things at the same time. You do realize that kids shouldn't have to be made to feel embrassed because they can't tie there shoes or unbuckle there pants. DO you really think making a kid afraid to ask for help esp from a teacher of all people is going to help the child. Do you ask the other kids to unbutton the other kids pants. My daughter is in kindergarten her teacher is more then happy to help all the students she realizes they are still learning how to do things. Maybe you should teach the kids how to tie there shoes instead of trying to avoid the issues.

Oh, please, little kids LOVE to get help from their friends and their friends LOVE to help. I seriously doubt your DD teacher loves to tie 30 pairs of shoes 20 times/day. Also, most teachers are NOT ALLOWED to help kids with snaps and buttons on jeans-besides the smart ones never would because all it takes is one kid to say "the teacher took my pants off for me" and their career would be over. Again, the point is if your kid can't do buttons, don't send them to school in buttons because sooner or later they will wet their pants because they can't get them undone fast enough and THAT is much more embarrassing then asking a friend to help.

 

[ilovejack02]

You do realize that not all kids master things at the same time. You do realize that kids shouldn't have to be made to feel embrassed because they can't tie there shoes or unbuckle there pants. DO you really think making a kid afraid to ask for help esp from a teacher of all people is going to help the child. Do you ask the other kids to unbutton the other kids pants. My daughter is in kindergarten her teacher is more then happy to help all the students she realizes they are still learning how to do things. Maybe you should teach the kids how to tie there shoes instead of trying to avoid the issues.

There are some things that should be taught at home, and tying shoes is one of them. Kids should be sent to school in clothing they can remove. I bought my son the pants with the hook because at 5 he couldn't unbutton .. I was not going expect a teacher to stop teaching so she could unbutton and button up DS and I am pretty sure she wasn't going to do that. I wanted him to be able to get out of those pants fast enough... little boys tend to wait till the last possible moment UGHHH . What is up with that? I am sure would start a whole new thread on that! ; )

 

[golfgal]

There are some things that should be taught at home, and tying shoes is one of them. Kids should be sent to school in clothing they can remove. I bought my son the pants with the hook because at 5 he couldn't unbutton .. I was not going expect a teacher to stop teaching so she could unbutton and button up DS and I am pretty sure she wasn't going to do that. I wanted him to be able to get out of those pants fast enough... little boys tend to wait till the last possible moment UGHHH . What is up with that? I am sure would start a whole new thread on that! ; )

Well, you know, you might miss a second of something REALLY exciting so you chance wetting your pants instead. I remember the days of the boys coming FLYING through the front door and running into the bathroom-wouldn't want to come in like 10 second sooner now would you .

 

[happygirl]

Oh, please, little kids LOVE to get help from their friends and their friends LOVE to help. I seriously doubt your DD teacher loves to tie 30 pairs of shoes 20 times/day. Also, most teachers are NOT ALLOWED to help kids with snaps and buttons on jeans-besides the smart ones never would because all it takes is one kid to say "the teacher took my pants off for me" and their career would be over. Again, the point is if your kid can't do buttons, don't send them to school in buttons because sooner or later they will wet their pants because they can't get them undone fast enough and THAT is much more embarrassing then asking a friend to help.

Actually she does Do you have kids? Actually my daughter HATES getting help from the other kids she gets embrassed by it

 

[happygirl]

There are some things that should be taught at home, and tying shoes is one of them. Kids should be sent to school in clothing they can remove. I bought my son the pants with the hook because at 5 he couldn't unbutton .. I was not going expect a teacher to stop teaching so she could unbutton and button up DS and I am pretty sure she wasn't going to do that. I wanted him to be able to get out of those pants fast enough... little boys tend to wait till the last possible moment UGHHH . What is up with that? I am sure would start a whole new thread on that! ; )

My little waits as long as we can

 

[ilovejack02]

Well, you know, you might miss a second of something REALLY exciting so you chance wetting your pants instead. I remember the days of the boys coming FLYING through the front door and running into the bathroom-wouldn't want to come in like 10 second sooner now would you .

Isn't that just the craziest thing, I will never understand it. Both of my boys did it, DS7 now seems to be growing out of it a bit. I don't see him running as fast anymore .

 

[happygirl]

My point is I guess the parents aren't teaching the kids this basic things. So I don't feel the kids should be embrassed or shamed because they can't do them. It's not the kids fault what there there parents buy them or t each them. I guess I feel like if the parents aren't teaching them the basic maybe the teacher should

 

[golfgal]

Actually she does Do you have kids? Actually my daughter HATES getting help from the other kids she gets embrassed by it

Yes, 3 of them 17, 14 and 14 and speaking from a lot more years of experience, your child is the exception rather than the rule.

 

[happygirl]

Yes, 3 of them 17, 14 and 14 and speaking from a lot more years of experience, your child is the exception rather than the rule.

No she just super independent. I thought all kids at that age were

 

[ilovejack02]

My point is I guess the parents aren't teaching the kids this basic things. So I don't feel the kids should be embrassed or shamed because they can't do them. It's not the kids fault what there there parents buy them or t each them. I guess I feel like if the parents aren't teaching them the basic maybe the teacher should

I just don't see how in this day that it is an effective use of time. These teachers have to pack so much into a day now .. teaching 15-25 kids how to do the most basic things is not in the cards by the time they hit kindergarten. Our school specifically tells us, not to put belts on the kindergartners and first grade because most can't use them. They also let the tuck your shirt in rule slide. 3rd grade is when they get tough on belts and shirts.
If the school expected the teacher to handle that , she would be busy all day tucking in shirts etc.

My poor DS can't keep a shirt tucked in for more than about 5 minutes .. that also could be a whole other thread. LOL

 

[merryweather20]

My point is I guess the parents aren't teaching the kids this basic things. So I don't feel the kids should be embrassed or shamed because they can't do them. It's not the kids fault what there there parents buy them or t each them. I guess I feel like if the parents aren't teaching them the basic maybe the teacher should

Its not a matter of embarassing kids or shaming them. I can't imagine how you came up with that . As I said in my previous post its math. There is definitely not time to tie 30 pairs, nevermind snapping 30 pairs of pants and buttoning 30 coats

Kids very definitely need to come to school with clothes they can manage.

 

[ilovejack02]

No she just super independent. I thought all kids at that age were

There are kiddos that are of course, she just maybe one of those that will be like that her whole life. We all know someone how can't stand getting help from others in any form.

Coming from being a school volunteer .. I spend TONS of time up there. Most of the kiddos I encounter love to get help.. so much so that I constantly say " you have to try first" .

 

[golfgal]

No she just super independent. I thought all kids at that age were

If she were super independent she wouldn't be embarrassed to ask for help. My kids could tie their shoes by kindergarten so it was a non-issue for us.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I have to crack up at some of the responses here.
30 pairs of shoes, 30 coats, 30 pants! What on earth is going on in your classroom? Is there a rash of children with absolutely no clue who are just untying their shoes, wearing their coats backwards and walking around with open pants? I have been in the classrooms. It is the occassional kid who needs help. Thank God my kids have had wonderful teachers that know that sometimes a child needs help. You can teach a child all you want but some skills are hard for them to master. It takes practice.
I truly cannot believe- well I guess I can- that someone would teach K and then be shocked when some kids need help here and there.

 

[jagafen]

Those are cute! As an SLP who has worked with many OTs, I've been told that the average age of kids learning to tie shoes has increased. Blame it on that lovely velcro I guess. Have you asked parents to practice tying shoes at home? I'm sure many haven't thought about it at 4 and 5 these days.

And as an OT sho works with many SLPs...I concur. It's not reasonable to expect a 4-5 year old child to be able to tie their shoes proficiently...learning, yes, practicing, yes, not getting it quite right, yes. Staying tied all day....no. And just using velcro shoes only masks the issue.....

 

[golfgal]

I have to crack up at some of the responses here.
30 pairs of shoes, 30 coats, 30 pants! What on earth is going on in your classroom? Is there a rash of children with absolutely no clue who are just untying their shoes, wearing their coats backwards and walking around with open pants? I have been in the classrooms. It is the occassional kid who needs help. Thank God my kids have had wonderful teachers that know that sometimes a child needs help. You can teach a child all you want but some skills are hard for them to master. It takes practice.
I truly cannot believe- well I guess I can- that someone would teach K and then be shocked when some kids need help here and there.

No one is saying that the teacher is shocked that kids need help, they are saying that parents need to understand this and send kids to school in clothing they can manage. It is no different then when our oldest was in kindergarten and they didn't go outside in the winter for recess, it just took WAY too long for the kids to get on snow pants, boots, coats, hats and ESPECIALLY mittens. It was just a waste of time (for a 1/2 day kindergarten program). The occassional help is not the issue, it is the kids that come to school EVERY DAY needing help with their clothing. Teach them at home or don't send them to school in clothes they can't manage.

 

[clovergirl5]

I think it would also help if childrens clothes companies helped in the issue of snaps, buttons and belts. I can't tell you how many times, my 3 or 4yr old dc would have the hardest time doing up their pants. Either the snap was to hard they couldn't snap it or pants that had the hole to be fit over the button--that one I ran into alot with 4 yr. old clothes, size 4-5Tish. I was constantly having to do up their pants. I don't know what companies are thinking with these kind of pants closures And belts... not always a simple thing to teach. Some belts, I have to show dh how to do

 

[clovergirl5]

I agree about mitten thumbs, but gloves too. My kids never understood how to get those suckers on until they were older. We would actually practice putting on snowpants, boots, coat, scarf and gloves before winter came

 

[torinsmom]

OP here. Sorry I was MIA. I was teaching my wonderful students all day. NO lessons on shoe tying today, as I barely have time to teach all the district requires. I did teach one child to tuck his shoestrings inside his shoes. I swear that child has 10 pair of tie shoes that he alternates.

You do realize that not all kids master things at the same time. You do realize that kids shouldn't have to be made to feel embrassed because they can't tie there shoes or unbuckle there pants. DO you really think making a kid afraid to ask for help esp from a teacher of all people is going to help the child. Do you ask the other kids to unbutton the other kids pants. My daughter is in kindergarten her teacher is more then happy to help all the students she realizes they are still learning how to do things. Maybe you should teach the kids how to tie there shoes instead of trying to avoid the issues.

I have a degree in Birth-K development, so yes I do realize that. I am trying to figure out when I or any other poster said we make the child feel embarrassed or ashamed that they need help. I ask the children to ask a friend to help them, as I am working with other children. If they are embarrassed, maybe they should ask their parents to buy clothing that they can manage themselves. That way they could be more independent.

In my class, the kids need help rebuttoning their pants, mainly because they are two sizes too small. Kids do not know how to suck in their belly, and I am just not pushing in a stomach, so I can get the pants buttoned. When your child cannot sit criss cross apple sauce because her pants are too tight, you need to be buying a few sizes bigger.

Actually she does Do you have kids? Actually my daughter HATES getting help from the other kids she gets embrassed by it

How do you know she LOVES tying the shoes? That's what you said. I doubt she would tell you it grosses her out too. I don't think the previous poster was questioning that the teacher DOES it, just that she probably doesn't LOVE to do it.

No she just super independent. I thought all kids at that age were

If she is independent, why would it matter who she asks? I mean asking for help means you are dependent, right? If she had clothes she could manage herself, she would truly be independent, which would probably make her happier.

My point is I guess the parents aren't teaching the kids this basic things. So I don't feel the kids should be embrassed or shamed because they can't do them. It's not the kids fault what there there parents buy them or teach them. I guess I feel like if the parents aren't teaching them the basic maybe the teacher should

It isn't something we are supposed to teach in public school. If you look at your state's standard course of study for kindergarten, you will see what we are supposed to accomplish in one year. We get kids who have never even held a pencil, don't know their colors and can't count to 5. Those kids have to be reading at a pretty decent level, writing sentences, know 100 sight words, know numbers to 100, and a million other things before the end of the year. If you have ever taught a child to tie shoes, you know it takes several lessons over several days. Multiply that times 20-30 children and you could spend 2 months teaching that skill. It is just not logical.

Parents should either teach their child to tie shoes at home or buy velcro or slip ons. I did that until my son learned to tie. Sorry, JMHO.

Marsha

 

[daisyduck123]

Do you ask the other kids to unbutton the other kids pants.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.

I have never/will never help a child unbutton their pants. I'm not even going to go there with that one.

When a child comes to me and says he can't unbutton his pants I tell him to ask a friend for help.

Then I nicely tell the child that he needs to tell mom he should not wear those to school anymore until he can button/unbutton them himself.

COME ON parents. Shop around!

Target, The Children's Place, & Lands End ALL sell elastic waist pants in lots of colors. My son wore them until the 4th grade or so.