Work Vacation issue. WWYD?

First come system: ok, can I request my 2017, 2018 & 2019 picks right now? I'll take 4th of July week, Thanksgiving week & Christmas week, thank you very much.
You can request your 2017 right now. 2018 won't open up until later in the year. :)

Assuming a business uses the "seniority" system, couldn't the person with the most seniority take those same times? After all, they get to pick first. ;)
 
You can request your 2017 right now. 2018 won't open up until later in the year. :)

Assuming a business uses the "seniority" system, couldn't the person with the most seniority take those same times? After all, they get to pick first. ;)

Yes, they sure could. And they would be entitled to do it. My point was, even with first come, there still need to be rules. Otherwise, what's to stop someone from calling "first" years in advance?

And even with opening dates for first come policies, there are still problems with those trying to get their requests in first. No system is perfect. At least with seniority based, everyone knows up front where they stand & what their options are.
 
I'm late to the party -- so haven't gone through all the responses, so I have no idea if this has been asked yet.

What kind of job can't function if two people are out? I'm really having a hard time figuring this one out. Like someone else said, if someone has vacation -- does that mean no one else can get sick?

Honestly, this job seems pretty draconian if you ask me.

How does Christmas time work?

Notwithstanding the above, what about taking spring break off? That might work.

I agree with some of the others that wouldn't take it away from your co-worker. Your kids (hopefully) only get married one time. You can have numerous summer vacations together (he'll have at least 3 more). I just couldn't do that to someone else.

With that said -- there's a little "prisoner's dilemma" here in that even if you choose to "cooperate" -- someone else might choose to be selfish and then you will feel screwed.

What you might do is get together with the other ladies and have EVERYONE agree to let the new lady get her preferred time so that things don't get weird.
 
I agree with what a pp mentioned about "paying dues". When you work with this type of system, you spend years slugging it through the crappiest schedules. You won't always get what you want, and you won't always have people pick up your shifts. I recall for about nine years straight, through most of my twenties and into my thirties, I had to work New Years Eve. Never had even one off. When I finally started getting some off, I wanted that time. If someone new came along and asked me to work their NYE,

I'm guessing you mean a late shift on NYE which extends into New Years Day.

There's a guy who said just today that he's glad both Christmas Eve and NYE are Saturdays this year so he doesn't have to work. Standard M-F business hours job. I don't get what's so special about New Years Eve 9-5 that he doesn't want to work. Christmas Eve I understand, I really don't want to work then either. But NYE during the day?
 

I'm guessing you mean a late shift on NYE which extends into New Years Day.

There's a guy who said just today that he's glad both Christmas Eve and NYE are Saturdays this year so he doesn't have to work. Standard M-F business hours job. I don't get what's so special about New Years Eve 9-5 that he doesn't want to work. Christmas Eve I understand, I really don't want to work then either. But NYE during the day?

Some people like to sleep late and pregame. Hard to do if you are suppose to be at work. I don't get the appeal (except sleeping in) but I know a lot of people in my office will leave early or "work from home" the day before a holiday. Also pre-holiday traffic stinks.
 
I'm guessing you mean a late shift on NYE which extends into New Years Day.

There's a guy who said just today that he's glad both Christmas Eve and NYE are Saturdays this year so he doesn't have to work. Standard M-F business hours job. I don't get what's so special about New Years Eve 9-5 that he doesn't want to work. Christmas Eve I understand, I really don't want to work then either. But NYE during the day?
Yes, overnights 7pm to 7am in which the holiday technically starts at 11pm.
 
You can request your 2017 right now. 2018 won't open up until later in the year. :)

Assuming a business uses the "seniority" system, couldn't the person with the most seniority take those same times? After all, they get to pick first. ;)
My wife's place uses seniority, your first request is due by September 1 for the following year. The hope is EVERYONE will get their first choice. Once everyone has made a first selection, then every one makes their second, then their third, fourth, fifth. You can pass, then you lose your seniority, and approval is based on if the time is available.
But companies HAVE to be flexible. Unfortunately, not everyone can plan that far out. And they are only supposed to take time off in full week segments, but one worker has family health needs where he needs to take off one day about every 2 weeks. It is a legitimate need, and if this person doesn't get the vacation approved, they just call in sick.
 
If she can't get the time off, do not be surprised when she quits right before the wedding. That is what I would do.

Me too. I work for myself now but in the past when I worked for bosses, I was always upfront with them when they hired me that I don't put up with vacation requests getting denied. I simply send them a notice with the dates that I will be gone, and that's that. If they don't like it, they can banish me to the unemployment line.
 
I would take the week I wanted. You have earned your sen
You can request your 2017 right now. 2018 won't open up until later in the year. :)

Assuming a business uses the "seniority" system, couldn't the person with the most seniority take those same times? After all, they get to pick first. ;)
 
If I had to give up my vacation day.... union rules means I get double time if I had those days booked.

As part of the MOB negotiation... she should be offering to pay the person with that week DOUBLE or TRIPLE time to surrender that week. Budget the negotiation cost as part of the destination wedding expenses. Make them an offer they can't refuse. A resignation letter does not count.... especially with her past demonstrations of poor commitment to cover others.
 
I would take it and not think twice. Where I worked you pick vacation in seniority order- the guys with 15 years get 5 weeks vacation and it goes down 4,3 and the new guys get 2. The senior guy picks his five weeks then it goes to the next person, then the next etc. I remember my first year vacation pick- it was one of 2 weeks in Jan and the first week of November LOL- the joys of being the junior person! If I needed something off- say for a daughters wedding- I would have the weekend off then take a personal day or two to make it a 4 day weekend and then maybe toss in a sick day at the end so it would be a 5 day stretch and that would be plenty of time. My friends system at her job sucked- it was first come first serve, I would hate that- basically some person with a year at the job could get a vac week over someone with 10 years there if they put in faster, that would stink.
 
I would have the weekend off then take a personal day or two to make it a 4 day weekend and then maybe toss in a sick day at the end so it would be a 5 day stretch and that would be plenty of time. My friends system at her job sucked- it was first come first serve, I would hate that- basically some person with a year at the job could get a vac week over someone with 10 years there if they put in faster, that would stink.
But it's "ok" to lie to your company?

The first come, first serve system allows everyone a chance at getting the time they want. I'm glad we don't force everyone to schedule all their time off for the year at one time. We also allow people to take days at a time.
 
Me too. I work for myself now but in the past when I worked for bosses, I was always upfront with them when they hired me that I don't put up with vacation requests getting denied. I simply send them a notice with the dates that I will be gone, and that's that. If they don't like it, they can banish me to the unemployment line.

Well good thing u don't work in my profession because you'd be looking for a new job quite often
Just like my bosses say everyone is replaceable.

Thx for all the replies. Hopefully management will resolve the issue. Not my problem anymore.
A couple of my co workers and I talked about the situation since I first posted
The MOB should have talked to management first
Sat down had a heart to heart
My daughter is getting married , I need this week off , is there any way?
Blah blah blah

Instead MOB texts all of us (coworkers) to not take said week her daughter is getting married
Spouts off then at work if I don't get the week I'm quitting , in front of boss which ticked her off understandably
It hasn't happened too often but I do remember people being off 2 at a time for special circumstances,
We used to have extra staff to cover in these circumstances but over the years jobs have been cut so the dept isn't as flexible as it once was.
I guess time will tell.

Also found out the wedding is in punta Cana . The couple just got engaged last summer , date for wedding was just picked .
Vacation weeks first part of June are easier to come by.
Since our kids are usually in school until later in June
Bride teaches in MD. Not sure what their school schedule entails
But the Aug date is now set in stone
MOB has her reservations already. So if she doesn't get it, I guess she's quitting
 
MOB has her reservations already. So if she doesn't get it, I guess she's quitting
Hopefully it's a one-way flight.

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Well good thing u don't work in my profession because you'd be looking for a new job quite often
Just like my bosses say everyone is replaceable.

Thx for all the replies. Hopefully management will resolve the issue. Not my problem anymore.
A couple of my co workers and I talked about the situation since I first posted
The MOB should have talked to management first
Sat down had a heart to heart
My daughter is getting married , I need this week off , is there any way?
Blah blah blah

Instead MOB texts all of us (coworkers) to not take said week her daughter is getting married
Spouts off then at work if I don't get the week I'm quitting , in front of boss which ticked her off understandably
It hasn't happened too often but I do remember people being off 2 at a time for special circumstances,
We used to have extra staff to cover in these circumstances but over the years jobs have been cut so the dept isn't as flexible as it once was.
I guess time will tell.

Also found out the wedding is in punta Cana . The couple just got engaged last summer , date for wedding was just picked .
Vacation weeks first part of June are easier to come by.
Since our kids are usually in school until later in June
Bride teaches in MD. Not sure what their school schedule entails
But the Aug date is now set in stone
MOB has her reservations already. So if she doesn't get it, I guess she's quitting

From the way it sounds like MOB is not a team player and that would not be a bad thing.
 
We are picking vacation for next year. For reference, I work with about 12 woman give or take and only one of us can be on vacation at a time, whether we are full or part time.

The woman last to pick started about a year ago announced last month her daughters destination wedding is second week of August
She has to go . She will quit if she doesn't get the week off. Yada yada yada!
I understand. I know it's your daughter but that is a prime vacation week
Her daughter is a teacher and supposedly can't go any other time. The boss told her she will be lucky if that week is left when it's her turn.
So I'm in the middle of the pack to pick
I get the vacation pick sheet and guess which week is the only one left I can take ?
My son graduates high school this year middle of June . His party is the next Saturday.
So that leaves me the last week of June all of July and first 2 weeks of aug.
His college move in day is aug 17.
All are taken except the 2nd week of aug.
If I don't take it no summer vacation for us
If I do I'll feel bad
But it kind of makes me mad too she has put this guilt trip on all of us.

I considered Tganksgiving week but airfare , resorts are all inflated x3 because of the holiday.

Would you pick the aug week or not?
Oh FYI. There's at least 4-5 more after me to pick before wedding girl even gets her pick
What a horrible decision to have to make! Both you and the other woman have my sympathies. However, I would pick the week that works for your family. As you mentioned, 4-5 other people will still get to pick after you & before her, so it's unlikely that week would remain available even if you gave up your family vacation for her.

And that's basically what you're being pressured to do- give up your family vacation to make way for someone else's. Would hate to work in a job where decisions like this have to be made, but in your position I wouldn't give up the week. I put my own family before my colleagues at work.

Frankly, the daughter should have planned the wedding with more consideration for if her mother could easily attend at that location. Destination weddings can be notoriously hard on families and friends who have to use up significant money and vacation time to attend, and this is a prime example.
 
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From the way it sounds like MOB is not a team player and that would not be a bad thing.

Meh, hard to make judgments here. None of us on this board would miss our daughter's wedding, even if it meant losing our jobs. IMO, neither the OP or the MOB are wrong. They both have valid points. I think the OP should take whatever week she wants. And I think the MOB should do whatever she needs to do when the time comes.
 
I agree with what a pp mentioned about "paying dues". When you work with this type of system, you spend years slugging it through the crappiest schedules. You won't always get what you want, and you won't always have people pick up your shifts. I recall for about nine years straight, through most of my twenties and into my thirties, I had to work New Years Eve. Never had even one off. When I finally started getting some off, I wanted that time. If someone new came along and asked me to work their NYE, I might well have said no. There were also years that I worked all three winter and all three summer holidays, even in part (like an Eve, or a Day, etc), so I've done my faire share, and even more of my fair share, of over my 30 years. Yet, not too long ago someone new actually asked me, "How did you get such a nice holiday schedule?". :duck: As I mentioned before, I came home early from some vacations to work. I also have missed out on weeks altogether, despite my high seniority, because we are only guaranteed one week off in the summer. If you want two, you might not get them both, so you have to pick which one is most important. This happens with some frequency. Fortunately for us, there is no discussion about it, you just turn in your requests. It would be weird to spend so many years working crappy schedules, then have to work them anyway for other people when they have something going on despite your paying your dues early on. Then you'd almost never get your preferred time off, because someone always wants it off for something important to them. People stay on the job for years, or stay where they are if they are senior, in part for the benefit of having seniority. That's just how it is, and it's accepted as how it is by people who knowingly take positions in such an environment. And people are always requesting time off! (But with that said, people will make exceptions and work for others who have a really special something going on, especially if that person does the same for others.) Another pp mentioned bereavement. Yes, that is an issue as well, unless it's an immediate family member. Friends and non-immediate family members dont count for grievance time, and you have to decide if you can use sick time if you want to attend services or be there for people, etc., given the strict sick policies, as well. I have had to miss services before if I'd already used my quota of sick time, such as when my kids were young. It's sometimes difficult. But that said, there has to be enough staff on hand to take care of sick patients. To people not used to it, I imagine it does sound awful. But basically you just become a really good planner when it comes to your work life.

That is how holidays worked on my job- for many years I worked Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day and July 4th- Senior guys took those off every year- eventually I got to the point where I could get those off every year and I took them- of course then the new people all cried wanting to rotate them all- no freaking way, I paid my dues now they pay theirs! Took me almost 10 years to be able to get a week off in the summer or any week the kids had off from school. But that is how it is there- dont like it you can leave and i think over 30 years there i have known less than 10 people to ever quit and we have thousamds of employees- for a good pension, benefits even when retired and salary you put up with not having time off you want.
 


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