Wonder drydock

[JohnDS]

There is also excellent fuel savings with a duck tail.

AKK

That one I did know, but I hate em, they look ugly.

 

[loveysbydesign]

We're thinking of sailing on the Wonder in Nov. 2014.
We've sailed on the Magic back in May 2009 and the Dream back in Oct. 2011. Will we be disappointed in the Wonder since she has not gone through a drydock?
My kids would be 15, 12 and 7 when we sail.
I know they'd rather go on the Fantasy but I don;t know if we can swing the extra 2k to go on Fantasy instead of Wonder.
Thoughts?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

That one I did know, but I hate em, they look ugly.

Well I have to agree, I don't think they blend with the wonderful classic liner design of the DCL ships!

AKK

 

[scrapshappen]

Apparently, I never went in the bathroom by Parrot Cay and our table at AP had all the good chairs because I never noticed anything but a clean, beautiful ship when we were on the Wonder in November.

 

[TwinPrincessMermaids]

At first, I was informed that being at the very aft of deck 7 Magic was going to be great: 'secret deck veranda!" And I rejoiced for the wonderful time we would have hanging out on it since I didn't get a balcony.

Only to find out that IT'S GONE. GONE. And I thought it was the ducktail to blame, so instantly not a fan. BUT THEN I heard it didn't have to do with the ducktail, that they basically cannibalized the space. So NOW I'm REALLY unhappy about it. I would have been happier not knowing about the secret deck.

So poop. I don't think the ducktail looks bad, but I'm not happy.

 

[cris0809]

Only to find out that IT'S GONE. GONE.

They had to use to the space for generators and structural support to put in all those shiny new things that made you pick the refurbished Magic to begin with. Unfortunately sacrifices have to be made in re-engineering such a massive vessel.

You'll just have to sail the Wonder before its dry dock to experience the secret deck. It's why having differences are a good thing!

 

[dolphingirl47]

A ducktail is required only if a ships stability is being changed after her initial build. For example, a ship adding balconies when the ship originally didn't have them. In the Magics case it was required because of the additional weight of the Cabanas overhang and the slides. Since the Wonder is not receiving either of those this time around she's not required to add a ducktail. The minute her cog and stability changes shell need it to meet the new code.

Would this not also have applied when they added the Outlook Cafe to the Wonder? This must also have added significant weight.

Corinna

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Would this not also have applied when they added the Outlook Cafe to the Wonder? This must also have added significant weight.

Corinna

I wouldn't think so. That space was always there, originally the Outlook Bar, but never utilized much except for storage and occasional meetings.

 

[dolphingirl47]

I wouldn't think so. That space was always there, originally the Outlook Bar, but never utilized much except for storage and occasional meetings.

I know the reason that was always quoted why this could not be done on the Magic is that it was too heavy for the Magic as she was built in two parts.

Corinna

 

[cris0809]

Would this not also have applied when they added the Outlook Cafe to the Wonder? This must also have added significant weight.

Corinna

I do not believe ducktail policies were in effect at the time of the Wonder's modifications. So no.

 

[tmrose03]

Just got off the Wonder today and thought all the public areas where nice and clean. I remember thinking how great the chairs looked considering how many people have sat in them. Only thing I noticed was the toilet in our room stunk and some paint was chipping. There was some rust that you could see here and there outside but that's gonna happen. We enjoyed our cruise so much and would book the wonder again! maybe a different room though.

 

[truck1]

Sorry, the Dis App on myphone has been acting up.

Would this not also have applied when they added the Outlook Cafe to the Wonder? This must also have added significant weight.

Corinna

Depends on a few things.
First is where her COG is to start with, then add the additional weight. If they are under the threshold, that IMO spelled out, then it wouldnt be required.
Second, depends on when the new rules took effect. Assuming that the rule wasnt in effect yet, then she wouldnt need one. Shes basically grandfathered in.

I wouldn't think so. That space was always there, originally the Outlook Bar, but never utilized much except for storage and occasional meetings.

All depends on how much wieght was added. I dont think that there was that much weight added to start with. The Magic on the other hand, got somewhere in the neghborhood of 100 tons of weight, including the 50 ton ducktail.

I know the reason that was always quoted why this could not be done on the Magic is that it was too heavy for the Magic as she was built in two parts.

Corinna

That has nothing to do with it. When we were on the Magic in 2010, my son was very interested in where the seam is on the Magic. Long story short, we got a personalized quick explanation in front of the seam. Basically and this comes directly from the engineer who aproved the designs for Fincantieri, if the Magic was ever to develop a crack any where in her hull, it would be somewhere elses other then where that seam is. They have that much confidence in the weld job.
If I had to guess, the reason the Magic didnt get a closed in Outlook, is there is no reason to. The Wonder spends half her time in Alaska. The Magic doesnt. Magic is usally in warmer climates.

I do not believe ducktail policies were in effect at the time of the Wonder's modifications. So no.

Could very well be. Id have to go back and try and find when the Wonder got her enclosed Outlook, and when the new standard took effect.

 

[truck1]

That doesn't say all ships must have a ducktail, it simply says stability requirements have increased.

Thats the way I read it also. Theres a misconception sometimes that a rule applies to all ships.

 

[dolphingirl47]

Sorry, the Dis App on myphone has been acting up.



Depends on a few things.
First is where her COG is to start with, then add the additional weight. If they are under the threshold, that IMO spelled out, then it wouldnt be required.
Second, depends on when the new rules took effect. Assuming that the rule wasnt in effect yet, then she wouldnt need one. Shes basically grandfathered in.



All depends on how much wieght was added. I dont think that there was that much weight added to start with. The Magic on the other hand, got somewhere in the neghborhood of 100 tons of weight, including the 50 ton ducktail.




That has nothing to do with it. When we were on the Magic in 2010, my son was very interested in where the seam is on the Magic. Long story short, we got a personalized quick explanation in front of the seam. Basically and this comes directly from the engineer who aproved the designs for Fincantieri, if the Magic was ever to develop a crack any where in her hull, it would be somewhere elses other then where that seam is. They have that much confidence in the weld job.
If I had to guess, the reason the Magic didnt get a closed in Outlook, is there is no reason to. The Wonder spends half her time in Alaska. The Magic doesnt. Magic is usally in warmer climates.



Could very well be. Id have to go back and try and find when the Wonder got her enclosed Outlook, and when the new standard took effect.

Thanks for the explanation. I was absolutely fascinated by the ducktail on the Magic. I don't know how it works, but previously when we had brunch at Palo, it looked like the Magic was parting the water from the aft. This is no longer the case.

Corinna

 

[taseas]

Just got off the Wonder today and thought all the public areas where nice and clean. I remember thinking how great the chairs looked considering how many people have sat in them. Only thing I noticed was the toilet in our room stunk and some paint was chipping. There was some rust that you could see here and there outside but that's gonna happen. We enjoyed our cruise so much and would book the wonder again! maybe a different room though.

Which room?

 

[truck1]

Thanks for the explanation. I was absolutely fascinated by the ducktail on the Magic. I don't know how it works, but previously when we had brunch at Palo, it looked like the Magic was parting the water from the aft. This is no longer the case.

Corinna

Welcome. That parting as you put it, is basically the wash from her props. I have a pic somewhere at home. The tail kind of obscures it now.

The short version on the ducktail is 2 fold.
1. All ships when running at speed, they tend to squat down at the stern. If you look at the original pictures of the Magic, and also the Dream class, youll see 2 rounded areas just above the water. Thats where her props sit, under those tunnels. When moving that area is under water. By adding buoyancy at the stern, the stern doesnt dip down as much, reducing the amount of drag that the water creates as the ship moves. This results in lower fuel burns. Which translates into money for DCL.
2. The second reason is that as a ship moves through the water, especially bow on to the waves, or a following sea,with the additional buoyancy, the ship dosent tend to pitch as much, as without it.

 

[Bear3412]

.... The short version on the ducktail ......

So do you feel the Dream Class have duck tails?

It appears that way to me, although built-in.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=40468921&postcount=33

TIA

 

[truck1]

So do you feel the Dream Class have duck tails?

It appears that way to me, although built-in.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=40468921&postcount=33

TIA

Looking at the 2 classes, it looks like the Dream class hull are a enlarged version of the Magic class. Both have the sloping fantails, and the prop tunnels that are visible. So no, I dont think the Dream has a built in ducktail. I think she wasa just engineered to the new requirements.

Theres several different things that affect a ships stability. In no particular order, they are a ships height, upper weight, length and width.(this is just a few) Theres others but these are the basics. The wider and longer a ship, the more stabil. I think what they did on the Dream class was to recess the passenger decks, to reduce her upper weight, and increase her stability. With a wider hull she probably has a lower cog (center of gravity) then had she been built as an enlarged Magic class. (Think of the verandahs extending out to the sides of her hull like the Magic)

From bumping into someone in the know, when I asked about the Dreams hull design, it was mentioned that it was for stabilty.

 

[Seamama]

I'm disappointed the dry dock will probably be delayed due to Panama Canal construction, but DCL can find a way to work around it. Honestly, the Wonder could receive a similar dry dock to the Magic, minus the new slides. With the Wonder sailing in Alaska, the slides aren't necessary and they would be the problem causer. The addition of the slides= more weight = duck tail addition= not being able to pass through the current Panama Canal. If the Imagineers find ways to leave out the slides but make the inside of the ship better, I have no complaints! Personally, that's what I recommend.

Especially if making the inside better includes the Avengers Academy and other cool updates they did on the Magic! The slides/ducktail can wait...

 

[Bear3412]

Looking at the 2 classes .....

Thanks so much t1 for sharing your expertise. So could a ducktail be added to the Fantasy in 2026 when they add the AquaDive?

TIA