Woman accuses Disney Cruise Lines entertainer of sexual assault

[Expatriat]

How about the fact that the guy should have kept it in his pants???

No argument there, but before that, the woman should have stayed out of his bed.

 

[WanderLit]

No argument there, but before that, the woman should have stayed out of his bed.

Or.... he should have stayed out of hers. When extending a travel invitation to a friend then discovering there is only one bed, it would have been the gentlemanly thing to do to offer to sleep in the chair or on the floor. Then it would have been a generous and trusting thing for her to do to offer to share the bed as long as platonic terms were negotiated.

Why is this situation so difficult for you to conceptualize?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

the original post I responded to included the perimeter "if the story contains factual information".

Again factual or not, many people are charged with crimes and then released.

My point is we really don't know if he did anything illegal.

As I said before if he is found guilty I would be happy to lock him up and throw the key away. However as you stated, there is a rape culture in the US and times the charge is made and then proven wrong.

AKK

 

[AquaDame]

No argument there, but before that, the woman should have stayed out of his bed.

Regardless, the rule is that without an blatant and I dare say consistent yes, the answer is always no.

 

[Expatriat]

Again factual or not many people are charged with crimes and then released.

My point is we really don't know if he did anything illegal.

As I said before if he is found guilty I would be happy to lock him up and throw the key away. However as you stated, there is a rape culture in the US and times the charge is made and then proven wrong.

 

[TrySomethingNew]

Yes, they both made foolish and immature decisions... but *his* decision was deciding to do something illegal. Even in her drunken state after foolishly misplacing her trust, she STILL did nothing illegal.

Do not twist my statement to fit your needs. I did not indicate either party was justified in their actions. None of us know if the story contains all facts, some facts or just sensationalism based on an accusation.
Back to my original statement that neither acted wisely or In a mature manner. Getting drunk voluntarily was done by both parties. It is well understood (before getting drunk) that you decision skills are reduced, thoughts are slowed, inhibitions go down, etc. At what point should adult decision making have occurred by them to keep the atmosphere platonic? this is a rhetorical question (it needs no response) because none of us knows what was said/done during any stage of their relationship ever.

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

Mod here, am I missing something..? Since November I've had only three reports - only one from a user who would match those asterisks and in that case it was a request to merge two threads into one. Everything else I've found on my own. Perhaps ironically nothing in this thread led me to it until the comment about mods, which led to someone (not her) flagging the thread for moderation. If you guys are concerned about members trawling threads to help newbies - by and large what she does - I'm more than happy to have that conversation with you. I am not sure it is her fault if helping is pointing out the rules from time to time, and as a mod I appreciate her giving them the heads up. Without us all chiming in questions would go unanswered - we mods just haven't the time to hit everything!

My response was to another post which has been deleted, so clearly is now out of context, clearly I can't say what I was agreeing to, as it was deleted.

This subject was not about any Moderation, rather the other poster was referring to another posters activites, which have been noticed by many. People not being invited on cruise meets threads, and not on that cruise, posting and assuming others can't organise a FE or have the skills to do so.

Again I didn't post the original item with the asterisks but just agreed.

 

[AquaDame]

My response was to another post which has been deleted, so clearly is now out of context, clearly I can't say what I was agreeing to, as it was deleted.

This subject was not about any Moderation, rather the other poster was referring to another posters activites, which have been noticed by many. People not being invited on cruise meets threads, and not on that cruise, posting and assuming others can't organise a FE or have the skills to do so.

Again I didn't post the original item with the asterisks but just agreed.

Hmm... I've been watching too, and it had seemed like she was only helping out where there was confusion on how to do so. I'll take another look and see if I am missing something, thanks!

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I'm supposing it should have been noted in headlines that he is not accused of assaulting anybody onboard a DCL or any other ship. The accuser is a self-described friend he was sharing a hotel room with. At any rate, if he did anything to her without her consent he's done for. Even if she was drunk and they were sleeping in the same bed. The court will have to decide.

Also, he isn't a Disney employee although he did work on the Disney ships (along with several other cruise lines)

 

[Expatriat]

Although it seems there were witnesses (I think) to her running out of the room saying she'd been assaulted, I doubt there were any witnesses inside the room with them overnight or that morning. So it all comes down to "He said, she said," correct? In court it could go either way.

 

[Simba One]

Again, the tea video says it all. Please watch it. Just because you think someone wants tea doesn't mean they do. Please don't be blaming the victim. Just because we liked a performer , and I just saw him two weeks ago, doesn't mean he is or is not a nice guy. Let the courts decide. What does the victim have to gain by reporting the crime? She loses her free cruise. Her respect in public opinion. She gets victim bashed. She has to go to court. You think she does this lightly???

 

[turtle27]

I really wish we would start this discussion at the schools. In America, we teach girls from an early age that it is their behavior/clothing that effects boys. Look at the school dress code. How many codes have anything about boys cannot wear such because it distracts the girls. Most of the phrasing is that the girls cannot wear certain items because they distract people in the classroom. If instead, boys and girls, were taught to respect each other despite what they are wearing and to control themselves, then I think there would be much less victim shaming because the onus would no longer be on how the girl behaved, rather on the guy for not controlling his behavior.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

There could possibly be physical evidence. Not everything is about eyewitnesses. Again that is for the court to decide.

 

[Weedy]

We don't know the set up of the room. It could have had 2 beds or a pull out couch. So would she have been in "his" bed if there were two beds or a couch?? She could have been paying for the room so was it "her bed??? He does not have the right to touch her!!

 

[TXDCLfan]

I only wish some members would take this to heart instead of trolling threads they don't even belong in so that they can tattle to moderators. I won't name names, but ******** ******.

So agree with you on this one!!!

 

[Expatriat]

We don't know the set up of the room. It could have had 2 beds or a pull out couch. So would she have been in "his" bed if there were two beds or a couch?? She could have been paying for the room so was it "her bed??? He does not have the right to touch her!!

Same bed. See the Orlando Sentinel story HERE.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ogson-arrested-sex-attack-20160215-story.html

 

[tinkerone]

We don't know the set up of the room. It could have had 2 beds or a pull out couch. So would she have been in "his" bed if there were two beds or a couch?? She could have been paying for the room so was it "her bed??? He does not have the right to touch her!!

it says in the news article (from the first post) The victim told officers that while the pair slept in the same bed, she was clear with Pogson “she wanted nothing more than a friendship from him” and nothing happened the first night.
it seems clear that she was okay with sharing a bed but with clear terms.

 

[jahber]

There is nothing--nothing--a woman can do that would make her guilty or to blame in any way shape or form if a man rapes her. Nothing. Not walking naked down the street, not teasing a man, not saying she will have sex and then saying no at any point. And certainly not getting drunk in a man's presence. It makes me incredibly sad that anyone would say something like "he was wrong BUT she shouldn't have"...no. No. That's how we get police officers asking what girls were wearing when they were raped or how much they had to drink. It does. Not. Matter. Most (the vast majority of) men would never dream of raping a woman who was naked or drunk or flirting because they are decent human beings. When we imply a woman has a part in her rape (which is what some people are saying), we relegate men to helpless animals who can't control their sex drive. And that's insulting to men. I can't believe there is a decent man who would allow people to malign his entire sex that way.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Just remember innocent until proven guilty - you can accuse anyone at anytime of anything. I just would like more facts, and more importantly his side of the story too before people already condemn him. Of course she might have a valid claim too, however I'm always neutral until more facts come out instead of alligatiions.

 

[ImprovGal]

Yes, he's innocent until proven guilty. I'm not surprised to see his performance contract with DCL or any cruise line on hold until/if he gets acquitted, though. I work for an improv comedy group that does family friendly performances and frequently gets hired for private gigs for schools. Because we work with children, every member of our group has to have a clear BCI background check from our state before getting cast in shows.