WLV points now more than BCV!!

[dis-happy]

I am still shocked that 1BR's are most popular. I wonder if it was because times were good and people were splurging.(I was) Now I wonder if in bad times peoples natural inclination would be to go for a studio instead.....I for one was thinking of doing this before the change. If it does happen...more studios and less 1BR demand ....it will just skew off everything anyway.

Not sure that 1 b/r's are the most popular. Up to now, on these boards, I've always heard it stated that studios go first, then 2 b/r's (excluding Hilton Head here). My personal experience is that it's been pretty easy to book 1 b/r's, even fairly close to travel dates (ie. 3 months out). I hope that someone with better data (Dean or Doc?) will chime in.

 

[alldiz]

Thanks! As upset as we are over this change, I doubt we will be adding on anyway, but I kinda wanted to know if we still had the option if we change our minds - lol. We ourselves are not new owners, but we do feel disney has gone a bit overboard in the way they drastically rearranged the charts. For myself, I think I would be less upset if we had been given more notice that this was being considered(I just booked a weekend in oct- we would have saved those points as a buffer if we had known they were going to pull this on us!) Upon advice of our guide, we bought enough points for a 6 day stay in a one bedroom, but recently have been using studios instead to stretch our vacations out (both kiddos now grown- and only daughter and possibly one of her friends traveling with us now) . Now we don't even have enough to have that 6 day stay we bought in at . Yes, we knew points could change, but our guide led us to believe just for holidays and such. And even if the points changed, going up so drastically for 1 bedrooms and weekdays (especially in the summer when many of us have no choice but to travel ( such as we teachers) seems a bit unfair. Before I get flamed, please understand that this is my opinion only and I know those weekend only and larger point holders who can afford to stay longer will disagree (and I respect your right to do so!LOL)

I just don't understand why the 1BR's have increased so much. I really think the economy will change that....People will not be "splurging". For me the 1BR was an indulgence....now I just can't indulge.

Not sure that 1 b/r's are the most popular. Up to now, on these boards, I've always heard it stated that studios go first, then 2 b/r's (excluding Hilton Head here). My personal experience is that it's been pretty easy to book 1 b/r's, even fairly close to travel dates (ie. 3 months out). I hope that someone with better data (Dean or Doc?) will chime in.

This was my understanding as well.....makes no sense that a 1BR would be the most popular...with occupancy limits and all. But why would they change the 1Br's so drastically if they weren't the most popular
Kerri

 

[dis-happy]

This was my understanding as well.....makes no sense that a 1BR would be the most popular...with occupancy limits and all. But why would they change the 1Br's so drastically if they weren't the most popular
Kerri

Haven't you heard it on the resorts board a hundred times? It's because Disney hates families of 5!


I think part of it may be added value...in the newer 1 b/r's there are 2 baths and the extra fold out bed. Plus, the general tweaking pf points, push here and pull there and voila! the 1 b/r is now more points.

Actually I've heard that the GV go the very soonest, and some of those points are going down. Go figure.

 

[alldiz]

Haven't you heard it on the resorts board a hundred times? It's because Disney hates families of 5!


I think part of it may be added value...in the newer 1 b/r's there are 2 baths and the extra fold out bed. Plus, the general tweaking pf points, push here and pull there and voila! the 1 b/r is now more points.

Actually I've heard that the GV go the very soonest, and some of those points are going down. Go figure.

 

[BroganMc]

There will be no effect on attendance and likely no drop off of revenue. Point totals for the year for the resorts are exactly the same as before.

I don't know what math you've done but mine certainly doesn't back that up. I'm seeing a net increase in points for SSR, even with the offsets in GVs. The number of points required to stay in the more plentiful smaller units went up too much to be a simple offset. For every GV point saved, Disney rakes in 2-3 more for smaller units at the same resort.

Any points you sell, someone else will buy and use. If you're not in the villa that you would have rented previously, someone else will be. As someone else said in another thread, it's a zero sum game. And Disney does not care WHO is occupying the villas, just that there are members there.That's the whole point of the change, I believe. To even out demand for the various units at various times of the year.

Ah, but will Disney be able to meet their sales goals for the quarter? That's all they truly care about. How easy will it be for my sales guide to sell BLT or that new SSR THV with two point charts to show buyers. What will he say that eases the mind of the new buyer when they ask "if the points are going up that much next year, how much will they go up the year after"?

 

[Inkmahm]

I don't know what math you've done but mine certainly doesn't back that up. I'm seeing a net increase in points for SSR, even with the offsets in GVs. The number of points required to stay in the more plentiful smaller units went up too much to be a simple offset. For every GV point saved, Disney rakes in 2-3 more for smaller units at the same resort.

Then your math is bad. Do you have all of the numbers of each room for every season and the math to back up that the total points has not remained the same? If so, then sue Disney because they broke their written contract that you signed with them when you purchased your points. Read your paperwork- the total points will never change at each resort while the allocation of points may (and obviously has).

 

[Inkmahm]

Honestly I think DVC/Disney will take a hit....not because of the point charts...but because of the economy, and in these times people are spending their money more carefully and If one already feels "cheated" in this economy, they might spend elsewhere.

Now THAT I agree with. People may, because of the economy, eat more CS meals instead of TS. They may buy fewer tshirts. They may skip APs and buy non expiring park hopper tickets instead.

I know I have begun to question purchases at home before I make them thanks to the uncertain economy. Where before I would just "buy" without a thought, now I ask myself if I really "need" that new sweater. Do I really "need" that new knick knack. Do we have to go out to eat for the $100 dinner or can we do the $40 dinner at Chili's more often? Truthfully, this has not yet spread to my Disney trips where I have still booked all the same TS meals as always, etc. But I can see where others may be cutting back.

Again, none of that has anything at all to do with the point charts.

 

[CarolMN]

FWIW, I think that there are quite a few members who are not upset with the change or are neutral.

Remember all the posts & threads complaining about the high cost of week end nights?

Those that are unhappy are much more prone to post than those that are happy. It is dangerous to assume that most members are unhappy with the changes.

I found it interesting that 1 bedroom units went up for Adventure Season at the VWL. That is not the case for the BWV. (I haven't yet looked at the 2010 charts for any other resort).

At the BWV, the 1 bedrooms (both SV & PV) in Adventure season went down for the week. For Choice season, SV went down one point and PV went up one point (again, for the week). For Dream season, SV stayed the same and PV went up 2 points. Those seasons cover the Food & Wine Festival time as well as early December.

SV studios went down or stayed the same for those 3 seasons, and PV studios went up one (Adventure), down 1(Choice) and stayed the same for Dream.

For PV 2 bedrooms, those 3 seasons all show a decrease. SV 2 bedrooms went up 2 (Adventure), down 2 (Choice) and down 1 for Dream. Again, those are weekly costs.

IMHO, those are not drastic changes for anyone who stays a week. I suspect that will be true for all the resorts.

Shorter stays will now cost more - kind of like the MYW tickets.

 

[Pootle]

FWIW, I think that there are quite a few members who are not upset with the change or are neutral.

Those that are unhappy are much more prone to post than those that are happy. It is dangerous to assume that most members are unhappy with the changes.

Absolutely. I've read most of the hundreds of posts and as a long-time member who tries to be 'light' on weekend nights (and therefore negatively affected) I just don't get the fuss and outrage about this.

Yes I did ask all the questions and knew what I was buying 13 years ago and I never felt warm and fuzzy about my purchase. Just very happy - and so wasn't going to post until I read the above

 

[alldiz]

Now THAT I agree with. People may, because of the economy, eat more CS meals instead of TS. They may buy fewer tshirts. They may skip APs and buy non expiring park hopper tickets instead.

I know I have begun to question purchases at home before I make them thanks to the uncertain economy. Where before I would just "buy" without a thought, now I ask myself if I really "need" that new sweater. Do I really "need" that new knick knack. Do we have to go out to eat for the $100 dinner or can we do the $40 dinner at Chili's more often? Truthfully, this has not yet spread to my Disney trips where I have still booked all the same TS meals as always, etc. But I can see where others may be cutting back.

Again, none of that has anything at all to do with the point charts.

Hey.....we can agree on something I've actually just decided to change the way I vacation this summer. Because of the economy....I am not doing a big vacation this summer....We just decided to try camping again...I think my
DD will love it. And we can go a few times over the summer.
Of course it will be "luxury" camping with a pool and bathrooms with clean showers

FWIW, I think that there are quite a few members who are not upset with the change or are neutral.

Remember all the posts & threads complaining about the high cost of week end nights?

Those that are unhappy are much more prone to post than those that are happy. It is dangerous to assume that most members are unhappy with the changes.

I found it interesting that 1 bedroom units went up for Adventure Season at the VWL. That is not the case for the BWV. (I haven't yet looked at the 2010 charts for any other resort).

At the BWV, the 1 bedrooms (both SV & PV) in Adventure season went down for the week. For Choice season, SV went down one point and PV went up one point (again, for the week). For Dream season, SV stayed the same and PV went up 2 points. Those seasons cover the Food & Wine Festival time as well as early December.

SV studios went down or stayed the same for those 3 seasons, and PV studios went up one (Adventure), down 1(Choice) and stayed the same for Dream.

For PV 2 bedrooms, those 3 seasons all show a decrease. SV 2 bedrooms went up 2 (Adventure), down 2 (Choice) and down 1 for Dream. Again, those are weekly costs.

IMHO, those are not drastic changes for anyone who stays a week. I suspect that will be true for all the resorts.

Shorter stays will now cost more - kind of like the MYW tickets.

For WLV 1 BR's....it seems the weekends went up as well. It seems the 1Br's are taking an unfair hit. Which totally surprised me....I didn't think they were so in demand with the same occupancy limit as a studio. And what really gets my goat is the fact that WLV is taking a big hit. Why have WLV MORE expensive than a BW view room during F&W fest....Makes no sense.
Kerri

 

[Deb & Bill]

.... And what really gets my goat is the fact that WLV is taking a big hit. Why have WLV MORE expensive than a BW view room during F&W fest....Makes no sense.
Kerri

Maybe to make them more comparable with BLT? That doesn't make sense either, but MK locale might be the reason.

 

[alldiz]

Absolutely. I've read most of the hundreds of posts and as a long-time member who tries to be 'light' on weekend nights (and therefore negatively affected) I just don't get the fuss and outrage about this.
Yes I did ask all the questions and knew what I was buying 13 years ago and I never felt warm and fuzzy about my purchase. Just very happy - and so wasn't going to post until I read the above

For me I feel WLV 1BR's have been unfairly targeted. They have gone up on Weekends AND Weekdays.

Maybe to make them more comparable with BLT? That doesn't make sense either, but MK locale might be the reason.

Hmmmm I bet BLT does figure in. They might have wanted to keep the M.K resorts higher. Or maybe WLV is becoming the "most" popular. Which I can understand that....It is MY favorite......although I don't like it
Kerri

 

[Tara]

The adjusted charts as posted and pulled last night actually save me points on the 3 trips we've already made and another one I have planned. So I might be in the minority, but I'm relatively indifferent to the whole thing. I think I wouldn't like it if I was a Sun-Thurs vacationer, but since I have to work during the week, we always have weekends involved in our trips (sometimes just weekends) and we won't change resorts to save a few points, so it's all okay with me.

I'm mostly indifferent, too.

We have yet to travel using points (new BLT owners) but I had already calculated every possible trip we could take using our 280 points based on the 2009 point chart. I've almost finished doing the 2010 comparison and so far there is no trip we could take in 2009 that we can't take in 2010. In a few cases, we save 1-3 points. Almost every possible trip is 2-6 points higher, though. I expect that the majority of the decreases are in studios and grand villas - I haven't done those comparisons yet.

Right now I am VERY happy I decided to round up my points and not buy exactly 276, though!

 

[DISNEY FIX]

Of course it will be "luxury" camping with a pool and bathrooms with clean showers
Kerri

Hey Kerri look up glamping.

 

[tecodis]

I can understand that MAYBE.....but EVERY season has increased.....1BR's are now more in every season....except premier....which I never go.
Also they seemed to have discounted the 2BR slightly.....I don't use 2BR.....So now i am penalized for liking the 1BR for my family. I am very upset about this.

I can't believe how much more WLV is.....SSR used to be similiar....now it is 178 pts vs 206....Ridiculous.....and I pay more dues
Kerri

Unhappy about it?
SELL - SELL - SELL!!!!
Sell it for $50 a point, you'll get ROFR'd and then be out of DVC membership. Life will be peaceful bliss once again.

 

[Granny]

Those that are unhappy are much more prone to post than those that are happy.

Yup. Human nature. Same reason that negative threads go on for pages while positive ones tend to fall off after a short time.

Doesn't mean that the complaints aren't legitimate. But I'm in the group that thinks that the vast majority of DVC owners don't even know all this is going on and just book their vacations and are done with it.