will the draft be reininstated?

[Crankyshank]

aha! it involves alien dna, doesn't it?

 

[jennyanydots]

 

[Evil Princess]

I think it would pose more of a problem when a girl did have her period.

Lets face it, when I have mine I'd get out my gun and shoot everyone, particularly those of the opposite sex I'm literally not right of mind at certain times of the month. Throw me in a desert without chocolate...I shutter at the thought.

 

[ToriLammy]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
I think it would pose more of a problem when a girl did have her period.

Lets face it, when I have mine I'd get out my gun and shoot everyone, particularly those of the opposite sex I'm literally not right of mind at certain times of the month. Throw me in a desert without chocolate...I shutter at the thought.

Oh please this is discussion about periods is just stupid. Thousands of women in the military survive it every month, deployed or not and there have been no incidents of crazy women shooting men during their periods. Stating things like this just feeds the stereotypes many women in the military have been working for years to overcome.

 

[tiggersmom2]

Originally posted by ToriLammy
Oh please this is discussion about periods is just stupid. Thousands of women in the military survive it every month, deployed or not and there have been no incidents of crazy women shooting men during their periods. Stating things like this just feeds the stereotypes many women in the military have been working for years to overcome.

ITA - I know the comments are tongue in cheek, but I have never been bothered by mine. If I were in the desert and there was no tampons - OK- I'll just use some toilet paper or a torn cloth, NO BIG DEAL!

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by ToriLammy
Oh please this is discussion about periods is just stupid. Thousands of women in the military survive it every month, deployed or not and there have been no incidents of crazy women shooting men during their periods. Stating things like this just feeds the stereotypes many women in the military have been working for years to overcome.

It was meant to be tounge and cheek, it was a joke.

Personally though my period really affects my moods and physical abilities. Sometimes I get physically sick from mine, it affects all women differently. Who are you to say that just because one woman it's hardly noticeable that I don't have a totally different experience with it?

 

[cati]

xx

 

[ToriLammy]

There are some very feminine women in the military. Men still hold doors open for women in uniform. Drill Sgts are not allowed to cuss at anyone (at least I wasn't when I was drill sgt in the Air Force back in 1981 - doubt it has changed at all if anything they are even nicer today). If the draft is ever reinstated Congress will be hard pressed not to include women. There is no reason to draft our sons and not our daughters. I hope it never comes to either being drafted but will fight like the devil to make sure they include women in any future draft.

As for your post EP, I wasn't judging you and your period. You could be bed ridden the whole time makes no difference to me but you were the one who did generalize by saying "I think it would pose more of a problem when a girl did have her period" thus making it sound like all girls are prone to problems or having a period could affect a girl's job performance. I was just pointing out that it's stereotype that women who proudly serve in the military are trying to overcome. Doesn't help their case when other women perpetuate the stereotype or myth.

 

[cati]

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[I <3 Eeyore]

ToriLammy - and I will be right there beside you fighting against women being drafted!!!

I don't believe that's what ToriLammy said. This is what she posted:

If the draft is ever reinstated Congress will be hard pressed not to include women. There is no reason to draft our sons and not our daughters. I hope it never comes to either being drafted but will fight like the devil to make sure they include women in any future draft.

My DD spent 8 years in the National Guard and was deployed twice during that time. Most soldiers don't want to be in a combat situation but they're aware that it's a possibility. She was as adept as the men she served with (and a better shot than many of them). To suggest that her performance would be inferior because she might be having her period is, quite frankly, insulting.

As for whether there's a top secret method to avoid having your period, there is a way and it's not so secret. Simply take one pack of BC pills after another. It's been suggested by doctors for years to women who want to avoid having their periods during a special occasion. There's also a new pill out now where you only have your period a few times a year. This is such a non-issue in terms of military capability I can't even believe it's being raised.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by cati
ToriLammy - and I will be right there beside you fighting against women being drafted!!! If a girl wants to serve her country then by all means let her. But I am just totally against my DD being in the front lines - what some of the countries do to women when they are caught just turns my stomach. Yes, I do dread it if my DS is drafted. My great-grandfather was in WWI, my grandfather was in WWII, and my Dad was in Vietnam. The stories they have told me, just makes me scared to even think about her being out there. I am very patriotic, but then I am old fashioned also. I was brought up that the man takes care of the women, and I kind of like it. Now before you flame me, I have no problem with women working (I work). I just feel like the front lines are not a place I want my DD. So you can fight all you want, but I think there are a lot of people who feel the same as I do and I think it will stay volunteer for woman.

I feel the same exact way you do, and if that makes me unpatriotic, than so be it. I understand that people are very sensitive about this subject, however, I know that I wouldn't last two seconds in a war. I respect your opinion, and if my opinions sound like I'm setting the womans movement back a few years, well, then so be it.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
I respect your opinion, and if my opinions sound like I'm setting the womans movement back a few years, well, then so be it.

That's easy for you to say, because setting the movement back just a few years still isn't such a bad position to be in. But the problem with the "take me back to Bedrock so that the big, strong man can protect the weak little woman" attitude is that when it is allowed to happen, we don't just gain protection, we lose rights.

Originally posted by ToriLammyThere are some very feminine women in the military. Men still hold doors open for women in uniform. Drill Sgts are not allowed to cuss at anyone (at least I wasn't when I was drill sgt in the Air Force back in 1981 - doubt it has changed at all if anything they are even nicer today). If the draft is ever reinstated Congress will be hard pressed not to include women. There is no reason to draft our sons and not our daughters. I hope it never comes to either being drafted but will fight like the devil to make sure they include women in any future draft.

Well said TL, and I'll be right there with you! As the mother of both a daughter and a son, I'm simply amazed by the idea that it's OK to face losing a son to war, but not a daughter. Both of my children are equally precious to me, and I can't imagine telling my son "I don't mind you going off to war, but God forbid they send your sister!!"

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
That's easy for you to say, because setting the movement back just a few years still isn't such a bad position to be in. But the problem with the "take me back to Bedrock so that the big, strong man can protect the weak little woman" attitude is that when it is allowed to happen, we don't just gain protection, we lose rights.



Well said TL, and I'll be right there with you! As the mother of both a daughter and a son, I'm simply amazed by the idea that it's OK to face losing a son to war, but not a daughter. Both of my children are equally precious to me, and I can't imagine telling my son "I don't mind you going off to war, but God forbid they send your sister!!"

You know what, just because you are able to do something doesn't mean that I would be able to do it. You know exactly what I meant by my statement. I respect your opinion, but you seem to be having a very hard time respecting mine.

I don't need men to do everything for me. I want to get a job, I want to have a career, but I still have old fashioned views on some things. When I have kids you can bet I'll stop working until they're at least in school full time. I see nothing wrong with being a housewife.

And you know what? I'm NOT as strong as a man. I don't think there is anything wrong with admitting that. I do believe that there is a physical and emotional difference. I'm 5'1-5'2 and very frail, I have no pain tolerance and I wouldn't be able to deal with what I would see in war.

I don't think that makes me less of a person, I just think that makes me different than you.

 

[AirForceRocks]

I respect your opinion, but you seem to be having a very hard time respecting mine.

You're right, I do. I don't have much respect for anyone that is willing to sit back and enjoy all of the benefits of other people's sacrifices all the while vowing to run and hide in Canada if they are called upon to do the same for others.

And you know what? I'm NOT as strong as a man. I don't think there is anything wrong with admitting that. I do believe that there is a physical and emotional difference.

Most jobs in the military don't require a great deal of strength, but of course, I'm sure you already know that.

I'm 5'1-5'2 and very frail, I have no pain tolerance

I guess giving birth is out then.

I don't think that makes me less of a person, I just think that makes me different than you.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
You're right, I do. I don't have much respect for anyone that is willing to sit back and enjoy all of the benefits of other people's sacrifices all the while vowing to run and hide in Canada if they are called upon to do the same for others.]

And you're entitled to your opinion. If I were ever to do that I would have to deal with being a coward and facing opposition from other people in this country. I'm not sure that I WOULD do that, but you'd bet I would do everything in my power to try and avoid going over there.

Most jobs in the military don't require a great deal of strength, but of course, I'm sure you already know that.

Of course I knew that. If you read my post you would also know that I pointed out that I wouldn't be able to EMOTIONALLY and MENTALLY handle what goes on in war. I have no problem admitting that I'm just not that strong of a person. What else would you like me to say, that you're a better person than I am because you can do what I can't? Maybe you are.

I guess giving birth is out then.

I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to deal with pregnancy and labor. You cannot comprehend how low my pain tolerance is, lol, but I'll deal with that hopefully many years from now.

 

[AirForceRocks]

If you read my post you would also know that I pointed out that I wouldn't be able to EMOTIONALLY and MENTALLY handle what goes on in war.

Oh, very true - shopping malls and designer boutiques are pretty few and far between in war zones...

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Oh, very true - shopping malls and designer boutiques are pretty few and far between in war zones...

That was low, even for you.

You know, I've tried to be respectful to you, even though I disagree with your opinion. I don't know if it's because I'm only 19, or because I've hit a nerve, but that was one obnoxious and undeserving comment.

You have no idea what my life is like at home and what I've been through, so how are you capable of knowing if I'm emotionally/mentally stable enough to survive what goes on in war?

I admitted that I was weak, that I wouldn't be able to handle it. I don't think that makes me any less of a person. It has nothing to do with the lack of comforts of home, the lack of shopping, or the lack of the standard of living that I'm used to. Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention that. If I did, hey, bring on the shopping comments, but it's not the case.

 

[MosMom]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
That was low, even for you.

You know, I've tried to be respectful to you, even though I disagree with your opinion. I don't know if it's because I'm only 19, or because I've hit a nerve, but that was one obnoxious and undeserving comment.

You have no idea what my life is like at home and what I've been through, so how are you capable of knowing if I'm emotionally/mentally stable enough to survive what goes on in war?

I admitted that I was weak, that I wouldn't be able to handle it. I don't think that makes me any less of a person. It has nothing to do with the lack of comforts of home, the lack of shopping, or the lack of the standard of living that I'm used to. Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention that. If I did, hey, bring on the shopping comments, but it's not the case.

It isn't you....she is condescending and rude to everyone she doesn't see eye to eye with.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by MosMom
It isn't you....she is condescending and rude to everyone she doesn't see eye to eye with.

I call it like I see it - I'm not into spreading about copious amounts of pixie dust. If you consider that condescending and rude, so be it.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I call it like I see it - I'm not into spreading about copious amounts of pixie dust. If you consider that condescending and rude, so be it.

And I think that you know that I'm not into the whole pixie dust thing either, but when voicing my opinion I don't feel the need to do it maliciously.

It's one thing to disagree, it's another to attack someone just because their view differs from yours.