will the draft be reininstated?

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
It's one thing to disagree, it's another to attack someone just because their view differs from yours.

And where did I attack you? All I've done is agree with the observations that you've made about yourself and your ability to handle situations.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
And where did I attack you? All I've done is agree with the observations that you've made about yourself and your ability to handle situations.

That mall comment was pretty low and unnecessary. I'd say that was a personal dig at someone.

 

[jrydberg]

I don't think anyone can really say how they would react in a war situation until they've been in the situation.

On a side note, it doesn't particularly matter who's capable of handling it or not. A draft does not, nor should it, distinguish between those who can and those who can't handle it. I assure you that *if* a draft was instituted (highly unlikely in my view) and I was called to serve, the military wouldn't particularly care about my feelings on whether I could handle it. Why should women be any different in that regard?

 

[Crankyshank]

People do realize that if you're drafted, it doesn't necessarily mean you're going wind up in a trench somewhere being shot at, right?

There are many many jobs associated with the military that are pretty important and not all of them involve combat. I would be willing to bet that if they think you can't physically handle combat due to size or whatever, and you have other skills, they're going to put you where they can get the most from your skills. I know I wouldn't send a snivelly whiner that can barely hold a gun to the front lines. The idea is to not get your people killed.

I have absolutely no pain tolerance. I have issues following orders I don't agree with, and I have no patience for fools. But if I were drafted then I would suck it up and do my best to serve my country. Even if I had my period.

 

[AirForceRocks]

On a side note, it doesn't particularly matter who's capable of handling it or not. A draft does not, nor should it, distinguish between those who can and those who can't handle it. I assure you that *if* a draft was instituted (highly unlikely in my view) and I was called to serve, the military wouldn't particularly care about my feelings on whether I could handle it. Why should women be any different in that regard?

EXACTLY!! With rights come responsibilities...if women are going to say that we want and deserve equal rights, then I believe that we should also accept equal responsibilities to preserve those rights.

I have absolutely no pain tolerance. I have issues following orders I don't agree with, and I have no patience for fools. But if I were drafted then I would suck it up and do my best to serve my country. Even if I had my period.

Brava, Crankyshank!!!

 

[Evil Princess]

That period comment was used to back someone ELSE up. When I'm throwing up due to horrible cramps, I'll be helping my country at the same time, don't you worry.

Excuse me while I set the women's movement back some more.

 

[Crankyshank]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
EXACTLY!! With rights come responsibilities...if women are going to say that we want and deserve equal rights, then I believe that we should also accept equal responsibilities to preserve those rights.



Brava, Crankyshank!!!

thanks AFR. ITA with you. We can't sit here and demand equal pay and the same respect as a man in the workplace, and then play the damsel in distress when it's time for us to pay the piper.
you might not like it, but that's the price you pay. Fortunately for a women's libber like me, there's plenty of other women out there that won't let the women's movement get turned on it's ear.

 

[Chris2597]

My son just signed up for Selective Service.....I may be wrong but I dont think at this time females are required to sign up at 18. I can not imagine females being required to serve on the front lines....My dd's would not be emotionally or physically prepared to do that...I know that Isreal has had a draft for both sexes for years, but there is a very different dynamic that is involved in Isreal....that country has been war torn for many years.
I will probably get slammed for this, but....I think for the most part American men have been raised to "take care" of the woman around them..I think there would be alot of taking care of hysteria and protecting the damsel in distress when the battle started....I am not talking about woman that choose to join the military or go into this line of work...I think it takes a special person, both male and female to do this type of work.....
I think it would be political suicide for any politician to push woman into combat....

 

[AirForceRocks]

I may be wrong but I dont think at this time females are required to sign up at 18.

You're correct, females are currently not required to sign up for selective service. I hope that will change soon, but I doubt it.

I can not imagine females being required to serve on the front lines....

Not everyone in the military serves in the front lines. As to not being able to imagine females doing so, they're doing it now, so it isn't a matter of imagining it.

I think for the most part American men have been raised to "take care" of the woman around them..I think there would be alot of taking care of hysteria and protecting the damsel in distress when the battle started

I think it's a shame that there are women that feel like they have to be taken care of, and just as much of a shame that there are men that believe the same thing.

 

[jennyanydots]

Israeli women are stronger and more capable than American women? Much a I admire Israelis, I don't think I can agree with that.

I am sure that in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, there were many American men who felt they were physically and emotionally incapable of serving thier country, and who were drafted anyhow -- and managed to serve with pride. If women were subject to the draft -- even those young women who feel the wouldn't be able to handle it might discover the inner strength to manage when placed in those circumstances.

And as I recall, anyone who is truly unable to manage will find themselves dismised from the service.

 

[ToriLammy]

Originally posted by Chris2597
My son just signed up for Selective Service.....I may be wrong but I dont think at this time females are required to sign up at 18. I can not imagine females being required to serve on the front lines.........

You are correct about females not being required, yet. But the article posted by the OP said this:

Despite shaky evidence -- and denials by top officials -- Mittelstaedt and many other young people in Minnesota and across the nation are convinced that a draft is secretly in the works. Through mass e-mails and Internet sites, the word is going out that as early as next June, men and women as old as 34 will be subject to random, mandatory military service.

Some people actually believe that Congress is planning a draft as early as next summer.

I think it would be political suicide for any politician to push woman into combat....

It's a shame that some of our politicians believe more in saving their "career" then actually doing what is right for the country. There will not be a draft in the US in the immediate or even near future IMHO but you can bet your bottom dollar that IF we ever get near to having one there will be some politicians who do the right thing and fight to add women to it. It could be the one thing that saves us from ever having a drafted military again.

 

[ladycollector]

OKAY OKAY.

The period comment I made was not that big of a deal. All I was trying to point out is that women are DIFFERENT than men. We ARE smaller no matter wth you say. Some women are made for the millitary and a large percentage are not. The ones that are made for it can sign up. I understand that not all go to the front lines of combat but if there is a women draft, women will definately be joining men in combat. Women and men are different. We aren't alike. It may be the way we've been raised, but also our bodies are not alike. Either way, that's how it is.

And to the people who say we're pushing for womens rights but arent willing to pay the piper... - Not all of us are pushing for womens rights. So speak for yourself.

ToriLammy - and I will be right there beside you fighting against women being drafted!!! If a girl wants to serve her country then by all means let her. But I am just totally against my DD being in the front lines - what some of the countries do to women when they are caught just turns my stomach. Yes, I do dread it if my DS is drafted. My great-grandfather was in WWI, my grandfather was in WWII, and my Dad was in Vietnam. The stories they have told me, just makes me scared to even think about her being out there. I am very patriotic, but then I am old fashioned also. I was brought up that the man takes care of the women, and I kind of like it. Now before you flame me, I have no problem with women working (I work). I just feel like the front lines are not a place I want my DD. So you can fight all you want, but I think there are a lot of people who feel the same as I do and I think it will stay volunteer for woman.

Thankyou.

But I am just totally against my DD being in the front lines - what some of the countries do to women when they are caught just turns my stomach.

I second that.

 

[jennyanydots]

Originally posted by cati
ToriLammy - and I will be right there beside you fighting against women being drafted!!! If a girl wants to serve her country then by all means let her. But I am just totally against my DD being in the front lines - what some of the countries do to women when they are caught just turns my stomach. Yes, I do dread it if my DS is drafted. My great-grandfather was in WWI, my grandfather was in WWII, and my Dad was in Vietnam. The stories they have told me, just makes me scared to even think about her being out there. I am very patriotic, but then I am old fashioned also. I was brought up that the man takes care of the women, and I kind of like it. Now before you flame me, I have no problem with women working (I work). I just feel like the front lines are not a place I want my DD. So you can fight all you want, but I think there are a lot of people who feel the same as I do and I think it will stay volunteer for woman.

And let's go back to truly old fashioned ideas. Your daughter is not allowed to marry without your husband's permission. She is not allowed to vote, or own property in her own name - either her father or husband must hold it for her. She is not allowed into certain professions, and she is to be paid a lower wage than a man in any profession she chooses. Let's make her wear a burkha whenever she leaves the house. And if her husband beats her, she has no recourse.

If you expect your daughter to have the same RIGHTS s a man you must also accept that she has the same RESPONSIBILITES.

 

[jennyanydots]

The period comment I made was not that big of a deal. All I was trying to point out is that women are DIFFERENT than men. We ARE smaller no matter wth you say. Some women are made for the millitary and a large percentage are not. The ones that are made for it can sign up. I understand that not all go to the front lines of combat but if there is a women draft, women will definately be joining men in combat. Women and men are different. We aren't alike. It may be the way we've been raised, but also our bodies are not alike. Either way, that's how it is.

 

[AirForceRocks]

If you expect your daughter to have the same RIGHTS s a man you must also accept that she has the same RESPONSIBILITES.

*stands, claps, whistles and cheers*

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by ladycollector


And to the people who say we're pushing for womens rights but arent willing to pay the piper... - Not all of us are pushing for womens rights. So speak for yourself.

Ladycollector, I agree with you. We might have/want equal rights, but physically we are NOT built, nor are we wired the same as men. We can convince ourselves this all we want, but we're NOT exactly the same.

Some women are strong enough to serve on the front lines, and congratulations to them. I respect them tremendously, but I am not one of those women.

 

[cati]

And let's go back to truly old fashioned ideas. Your daughter is not allowed to marry without your husband's permission. She is not allowed to vote, or own property in her own name - either her father or husband must hold it for her. She is not allowed into certain professions, and she is to be paid a lower wage than a man in any profession she chooses. Let's make her wear a burkha whenever she leaves the house. And if her husband beats her, she has no recourse.

If you expect your daughter to have the same RIGHTS s a man you must also accept that she has the same RESPONSIBILITES

Lets get real, our country will never go back to the old days. But the drafting of women is NEW. We do have the right to say we dont want our daughters over there.

As far as RESPONSIBILITIES, she will be here doing hers. She will be taking care of the home and making sure the children are taken care of. I still believe that children need their parents, not grandparents raising them. My father was in the Vietnam War and I was raised by my grandparents during that time. Now mind you, they did love me, but I needed at least one of the parents. If both parents are drafted, who is going to take care of the kids? Who is going to take care of the home?? At 34 being drafted, well, that is absolutely rediculous!!

My DS when asked if he would ever want his sister drafted will tell you NO. He is being raised to protect women, never hurt a girl, never hit a girl. Now what is going to happen, if they are taken hostage and these terroist are raping and torturing some girl in his group. They tell him if he does not tell all they will continue. There are some things in this country that are just sacred and I dont believe in changing them.

Now if you ask him if they ever drafted him would he go. He will tell you YES, if his country needs him he is willing and would give his life for his country. That is the way we are raising him.

AirforceOne, I usually agree with almost all of your posts. I just disagree with you on this one.

My family has been in the military for generations. I support all branches of the military. Not only did my great-grandfather fight in WWI, my grandfather in WWII, my Dad in Vietnam (he was in a tank that got blown up - he lost his hearing in one of his ears); my brother voluntarily joined the army, my other brother is a marine. My DH was turned down because of he has flat feet and because he had juvenile arthritis as a child. So, dont assume that I dont support my country just because I dont want my DD being drafted.

 

[Chris2597]

I agree that woman have responsibilities to their country....I would not oppose a draft for woman if they were given the option of not serving in the line of fire.....I also feel that woman with children should be exempt from the draft or there should be a provision for one parent to remain to care for the family.....I am sure that woman are permitted to enlist with children and that of course should be their option.
One poster sited the other rights that woman have gained.....I dont think fighting in a war has anything to do with whether a woman should vote, be able to marry without thier father's consent, handle finances, ect.....I believe all woman have the aptitude for all of the above....However, I dont believe most woman are physiologically made to handle the horrors of war.....Flame me if you will, but this is what I believe....If you have studied Sociology at all....you know this....to be true.....There are some things that do go right back to how we were made in the beginning to serve in society....I believe woman have served their country in many ways during times of war.....most importantly they have kept the home fires burning, allowing their husbands to serve their country at home and overseas...knowing that the children are taken care of, woman have worked in factories producing supplies for the armed forces, woman have worked in hospitals taking care of the wounded.....I am sure there are many other contributions that woman have made during war without the neccessity of them being placed in the war zone...
I live in a city with multiple military bases, my oldest is married to a Capt in the Air Force.....so I am very aware that woman are currently serving on the front lines....but I believe that should be a career choice, not a must.

 

[jennyanydots]

Are we that far behind the Israelis? You know how long Israeli women have been serving in the the IDF? I thought we were the most progressive country in the world. Guess I was wrong.

What an insult you have offered to the women who have enlisted in the armed forces and who are fighting for the right to be treated as equals.

I don't care if you're 5' tall and weigh 95 pounds -- if the military felt you were capable of serving, you'd serve. And yoou'd find the inner stregnth of character to manage your service.

Frankly, I hope there's no draft for anyone -- I much prefer a volunteer army. But still...

 

[jennyanydots]

and by the way -- I know a man who is 5'2" and weighs 100 lbs.

would you exempt him form the draft? I didn't think so...