Will expected tip amounts ever get this high?

[Disneyliscious]

I cant help but sit here and laugh at people telling me how to spend my money. Tips are not mandatory people. If you want to throw 20-25% at them go right ahead. But I won't. Its just not happening.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Then don't eat at restaurants like The Plaza. It's the principle. People who work for you deserve to get get paid. Sales tax is based on a percentage.

Actually I'll eat where I want.

I tip 20% at home all of the time unless service is bad. I have no issues leaving 5% for bad service.

I've been to wdw 4 times and always tipped 18-20% even at buffets. And with young kids I've done tons of buffet. One trip we did 5 in 7 days.

This next trip I'm easing back. I'll probably do 15% at TS and less at buffers. I understand the inflated food prices at wdw. I'm paying for location, location, location. But I won't pay 20% tip on the inflated food prices. Not anymore anyway.

At signatures I'll do more than 15% since I plan on my meal taking tabout 2 hours. No issues there.

And I don't complain to management if service is bad and I need to tip less than 15%. Especially not in wdw where I won't be back for a year or more. It's not worth the aggravation or vacation time.

 

[eliza61]

No need for a "vote". Every restauranteur who has an "automatic tip" for parties above 6 ( or whatever number they use) is telling customers who don't want to pay for service to stay home. It's explicit for larger parties and implied for smaller.

Customers are expected to pay waitstaff for service. Minimum wage laws, most states, indicate as much. Federal income tax rules indicate as much. It's not a matter of a low wage job. It's a job in which tips are an expected form of compensation.

But ask yourself why is it implicit for larger parties??? hummmm, usually it's because larger parties are absolutely more work. generally if you are handling 8 or more, you are unable to work many other tables that is not the case for a table of two.

Don't waitstaff get a salary? sure tips are "expected" but it is an "expectation" based on something. and the thing it's based on is not the customer showing up but on the server doing a good job. Once again you are saying that just because I show up at a eatery I should automatically pay someone an extra 20%..

Like I said, that would be great, not many folks have a gig like that, most of us have to do more than "just show up" to get a raise or bonus.

No where are tips mandatory (that I know of) nor is there a mandatory amount. I just got off a cruise where every purchase included a 18% automatic gratuity. Every person had the ability to have those charges lowered or increased if they so desired. we were informed how to do that at the end of the cruise. Every restaurant I've been to, you could most definitely go to the management and lower the tip if the service was lousy.

I had my tips rearranged to lean heavily toward the room steward, he is the guy that took care of me. why should I have him split the tips with the guy who stood behind a register and rang up a coke?

 

[eliza61]

let me ask a serious question, does this tip no matter what attitude, extrapolate to other areas?
If I hire a contractor and they do a lousy job do I still pay them because hey I did hire them?
If a delivery guy, delivers furniture but scratches up my hardwood floor, dings the wall and just plain does a lousy job do I still tip him because he makes minimum wage?

 

[DisneyHoosier]

I've been amazed at how high the 'suggested tip' is - but it's the buffet pricing that gets to me. A buffet is a whole other tipping level, especially at a WDW buffet which is, to say the least, out of the norm on buffet pricing. Family of four with two 'normal' adults, one ten-year-old pseudo-adult-according-to-Disney who will eat 12 ounces of food at full adult Disney price, and one child - all eating at the Cape May Seafood Buffet ends up costing about $150. Tables in Wonderland adds the 18% tip which means I'm tipping almost $30.00 for a buffet. That's insanity. And watching my daughter (age 10, adult price) eat almost nothing makes my heart hurt LOL.

 

[twinkleintc]

Wow! This is a shocking thread. I waited tables when I was younger & my son & dil have also waited tables. We live in a resort town. I don't know anyone who thinks they shouldn't tip at least 15% of the total bill. It's the industry. Wait staff wages are less than minimum & they do count on tips as part of their wages. If someone had tipped me when I worked at an upscale restaurant w/the mindset they could eat the same food at Applebee's that would have been a punishment to me. We had to claim 8% of our total food sales.

 

[ronandannette]

No need for a "vote". Every restauranteur who has an "automatic tip" for parties above 6 ( or whatever number they use) is telling customers who don't want to pay for service to stay home. It's explicit for larger parties and implied for smaller.

Customers are expected to pay waitstaff for service. Minimum wage laws, most states, indicate as much. Federal income tax rules indicate as much. It's not a matter of a low wage job. It's a job in which tips are an expected form of compensation.

Do you own a restaurant? If not, I'm still waiting for someone who does to encourage me to either stay home or go elsewhere, or better yet to advise me not to order multiple courses and liquor because that will reduce my bill to the point where I'll be more comfortable paying a 20% tip...

 

[Dizlvr]

No need for a "vote". Every restauranteur who has an "automatic tip" for parties above 6 ( or whatever number they use) is telling customers who don't want to pay for service to stay home. It's explicit for larger parties and implied for smaller.

Customers are expected to pay waitstaff for service. Minimum wage laws, most states, indicate as much. Federal income tax rules indicate as much. It's not a matter of a low wage job. It's a job in which tips are an expected form of compensation.

An expected for of compensation? Okay, then I expect excellent service for the "compensation" I provide. I am free to judge just what excellent means to me, so maybe your version with a 20% tip is different than mine.
When there is a line on my income tax that lets me write of the compensation I have provided for said service, I'll consider what the laws pretaining only to those in wait staff say. Until then if I want to tip 10% then I'll tip 10%.

 

[okeydokey]

I shake my head at the poster who pays 2.50 a person tip regardless of where they are dining. These people actually coast the server money. If you tip 10 on a 140 tab, the server pays taxes and tips out to bar and bus staff more than 10. So that server loses money by serving you. I could never do that to a server. How shameful.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Sorry, there will never be a time when my tip is based on anything other than "my entire experience". Blame the management of your store - not the customer. My tip is a reflection on my satisfaction with the entire operation. Loud, disruptive table sitting next to me? Lower tip. That party at the next table ay not be your server's, but even ore important, your low-Runpaid server isn't a mind reader. out of the special? Lower tip. How is that your server's fault, and why do you feel justified penalizing someone who has no control over ordering or prep? Food comes out wrong or takes way too long? way Interesting. You don't think it matters that the delay was the kitchen's fault? Lower tip. And if the server is directly discourteous or incompetent - maybe no tip at all.

The IRS has no control over cash. I bet you dollars to donuts cash isn't reported, but plastic will be, because it is traceable.

The IRS requires the restaurant to report all checks and earnings, and that the servers' tax filings will accurately reflect what was reported

Most of my tips are $3 to $5 and I'm not ashamed of it at all (most of our meals range $20-$40). Can't remember the last time I left a $10 tip. In April me and 2 friends dined for $91 and change. I gave her a $100 bill and told her to keep the change. So her tip was $8 and change. That was MORE than fair.

Ten percent was more than fair?

So I'm expected to give an $18 tip at 20% at The Plaza versus a $10 tip for the same food in my area? Is the server at Disney working harder at my table than someone would at the same kind of establishment in my town?

The Disney server is waiting on many (not all) people with tbe "do you know how much I'm spending on this vacation" attitude. And vocabulary.

So according to you I can sell a product and then tell the buyer, hey you have to give me an extra 25% because my employer hasn't given me a raise in 2 years?

You as the seller of a product can set the price of that product. The restaurant server doesn't have that ability

But ask yourself why is it implicit for larger parties??? hummmm, usually it's because larger parties are absolutely more work. generally if you are handling 8 or more, you are unable to work many other tables that is not the case for a table of two.

No, it's because large parties frequently undertip or don't tip, thinking someone else will cover the tip or exleriencing very por math skills when splitting the tip.

Don't waitstaff get a salary?

No, like mostnonexempt workers, they get an hourly wage.

Look, for those of you who disagree with tipping a percentage of tge restaurant bill, take it up with your state legislatlure or with congress.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

The thing about stiffing the servers at Disney is that you will probably never have that same server again. I hope people aren't silly enough to do this in a local restaurant and then go back, I've known quite a few servers and the stories they tell.....

 

[gljvd]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-dna-analysis-prove-chilis-waiter-spit-customers/story?id=31495378

Even if your nice and still tip well you will get spit in your drink.


Tipping exists because of prohibition, restaurants made little money due to the lack of liquor and couldn't afford to pay well so they started tips as a way around paying their staff.

We have a poster above that says they used to have a 10 table responsibility. What would be an average amount for a dinner? Lets say 1 hour. So if minimum wage was 7.50 each table would have to pay 75 cents extra on their meal for a restaurant be able to afford to give a waiter minimum wage. They are already paying all the other staff and they even pay the waiters some form of hourly pay.

I much rather pay an extra $1 on my bill than 15-30% on top of what my food cost. Of course my numbers may only work during peak time , but of course they can raise the food cost a few cents or a quarter for each entrée to more than make up for it.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

Problem is you are not going to get decent servers for minimum wage or even close to it.

 

[kaytieeldr]

We have a poster above that says they used to have a 10 table responsibility. What would be an average amount for a dinner? Lets say 1 hour. So if minimum wage was 7.50 each table would have to pay 75 cents extra on their meal for a restaurant be able to afford to give a waiter minimum wage. They are already paying all the other staff and they even pay the waiters some form of hourly pay.

No, because there are additional costs to the employer for an employee's hourly wage, and again, a server needs to share their tips with - tip out - bussers, bartenders, and sometimes runners. Interestingly, minimum wage for bartenders in Connecticut is a whopping $1.69 https://docs.askives.com/docs_file....0bmQvd2FnZS1ob3VyL3Jlc3QtZ3JhdGNoYXJ0LnBkZgow
How much do you all tip bartenders?

butof course they can raise the food cost a few cents or a quarter for each entrée to more than make up for it.

 

[gljvd]

Do you even get them now ? I mean how much should someone get for brining me drinks and some plates ? If anyone should get a tip it should be the cook if the food is great

 

[gljvd]

No, because there are additional costs to the employer for an employee's hourly wage, and again, a server needs to share their tips with - tip out - bussers, bartenders, and sometimes runners. Interstingly, minimum wage for bartenders in Connecticut is a whopping $1.69 https://docs.askives.com/docs_file....0bmQvd2FnZS1ob3VyL3Jlc3QtZ3JhdGNoYXJ0LnBkZgow
How much do you all tip bartenders?


:lmao2

Change the law then. What additional costs are there for an employees hourly wage that they wouldn't be paying already ? The waiters already get a small minimum wage. As for bartenders why should I tip them? I get club soda when I'm at a restaurant or at most a beer. Does taking a cap off a beer warrant a tip ?

Do you tip everyone who does a service for you ? When you go grocery shoping do you tip the girl at the check out line and tip her enough to make sure the stock boy gets the money , the guy cleaning up the spill on isle 5 ?

The only one actually doing something important that deserves a tip is chef.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Just. Wow. Go ahead and tip the most likely highest paid person in the rsstaurant. It's shocking and sad that people are finding so many ridiculous excuses to attempt to justify not tipping persons in customarily tipped positions by law and who provide direct and personal services.

Have the beer at home. The bartender legaly earns even less per hour than the waiter, who earns about 1/4 minimum wage. The red herring "argument" for tipping people who earn at least minimum wage - and at the supermarket where I shop a great deal more (not reflected in the prices) and who aren't allowed to accept tips is like an annoying mosquito.

 

[gljvd]

Just. Wow. Go ahead and tip the most likely highest paid person in the rsstaurant. It's shocking and sad that people are finding so many ridiculous excuses to attempt to justify not tipping persons in customarily tipped positions by law and who provide direct and personal services.

Have the beer at home. The bartender legaly earns even less per hour than the waiter, who earns about 1/4 minimum wage. The red herring "argument" for tipping people who earn at least minimum wage - and at the supermarket where I shop a great deal more (not reflected in the prices) and who aren't allowed to accept tips is like an annoying mosquito.

Fine , how much do you tip when you get coffee at dunkin donuts or starbucks ?

When I buy my $4 beer at a bar how much should I tip ? 20% tip on 4 bucks is what .80 cents ? What does the bartender actually do that deserves that much of a tip ?

I could understand if I went and ordered some complex drink perhaps he deserves a tip. But if its just a beer or just a club soda what part deserves a tip ?

I remember I went with a few friends to see a game at a local bar .... okay it was dota 2 championships . We were the only people at this bar and we spent about $150 on beer and apps. We gave the guy a $25 bucks as a tip and the guy got mad and started yelling at me.

 

[ronandannette]

...Look, for those of you who disagree with tipping a percentage of tge restaurant bill, take it up with your state legislatlure or with congress.

No need - as far as I know there is no law either federal or state that dictates how much I have to tip.

 

[Disneyliscious]

Ten percent was more than fair?

Yes. I personally watched her waiting on 4 other tables besides ours (she may have had more, I don't know). If we all left a $8 tip thats $40 for her hours work. MORE, than fair. If she didnt get a single tip for the next 4 hours, she still averages $10 an hour.

The IRS requires the restaurant to report all checks and earnings, and that the servers' tax filings will accurately reflect what was reported

IRS can require all they want but the fact is, most of the time cash is not reported. A restaurant reporting sales has nothing to do with tips.

and again, a server needs to share their tips with - tip out - bussers, bartenders, and sometimes runners.

Depends on where you work. I worked for Applebees for a while and we shared tips. I worked for Ryans Steakhouse and we did not share tips. Not all restaurants do tip sharing.

edit: If Im eating at a buffet, were I serve myself, I leave $2-$3 for the busser who picks my dishes up. No more. Call me a cheapskate all you want, but it takes him less than 60 seconds to clear the table and wipe it down. My $2 equates to $120 an hour. I don't tip based on how much someone may or may not make. I tip based on service and/or work performed.