Will Disney be bringing back Captain EO???

Michael Jackson is at best a freak and at worst a scumbag. I'll leave it at that. As I have better things to do with my time then argue with people who want to defend him.

Where there is smoke there is usually fire. When one person makes an accusation there is always the chance its trumped up. When numerous people accuse someone of something there is more than likely something to it.

Either way like PirateFrank says, he's not someone who I want to see associated with Disney.
 
Let's be realistic for a moment. You really do not know anything about the man other than what you have heard/read.
went on TV complaining about not being allowed to have neverland guests sleep in his bed.
If you watched any of his interviews he always made it clear he slept on the floor while others slept in his bed. Someone suffers from selective hearing. . . . . .

and as a paying customer, DVC owner and AP holder
someone is feeling superior
 
I will be writing a very long and nasty letter to Disney if they announce this attraction will return to either Disneyland or Epcot.

There's no excuse for paying tribute to a person like this....
and those efforts have worked so well in the past . . . .
 
OMG! I am no MJ fan and I do believe he molested children weather convicted or not but I have heard more ignorant childish comments on this thread then I have heard in a long time... no matter what yours or my feelings about the king of pop are he is, was and will continue to be viewed as a legend around the word... good god did you all miss the media coverage? Did I think he was a great person? No, he was truely mentally ill. Do I think he should be a role model? No, but he is still looked upon by the black community as a legend. Am I saying not to give your opinions or stop MJ jokes? No but could we please up the maturity level a few notches?
 

Let's be realistic for a moment. You really do not know anything about the man other than what you have heard/read.
If you watched any of his interviews he always made it clear he slept on the floor while others slept in his bed. Someone suffers from selective hearing. . .

Absolute hogwash! In the Martin Bashir interview, Jackson stated that he was "sleeping on the floor in a sleeping bag" because the child's brother "Star" was sleeping over too. It wasn't a case of sleeping on the floor for decency sake....Jackson is sleeping on the floor because there were two children already sleeping in the bed! :rolleyes: The above was a specific answer to Bashir's inquiry about the child accuser in the LA court case. Not a general statement. However, Jackson provides that in the very next question....

In the next question, Bashir asks Jackson if he "ever slept in the bed with" the accuser children. Jackson responds No (likely to remain consistent with court testimony)...but then in the SAME BREATH continues "I have slept in a bed with many children. I sleep in the bed with all of them!" Heck, he goes on to describe exact sleeping locations of his bed where each Culkin child slept. :rolleyes:

If you don't want to take my words for it. Please, see it for yourself. It's all there in Whacko Jacko's very own words!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwac1i8jpuc

There was no general rule that he stated about sleeping on the floor. In fact, just the OPPOSITE. Following up his statements regarding the accuser with a general rule about sleeping in a bed with all children.

Clearly, the selective hearing disorder is *your* problem. Not mine!


someone is feeling superior

Oh, please....What you're saying is clearly self-serving. There's nothing wrong with letting a company know that it's paying customers do not support it's actions. This has nothing to do with "superiority" as you say. Don't try to patronize my statements in a failing effort to provide needed support to you own. :rolleyes:
 
To be quite honest I read people's responses to various threads and think, "I wonder what this person would say if I said this . . . . ." I just like to read reaction to posts to give a thread some color.

I really have zero interests in most of the content or responses to certain threads.
 
According to what I have heard the Captain is coming back to Disneyland but probably not Disney World....Unfortunately in most things in life other than a presidential election the majority rules and right now I think Jackson is more popular than not.

Whether that is right or wrong is not for me to say as I'm one who thinks everyone has to answer for their actions sooner or later. I can see both sides but if Disney finds out that more people are for it then against it they are going to follow the buck. My suggestion would be to just avoid it when you go the park it isn't really up to you, me or anyoneelse to tell other people whether or not they should go see the show...Just my two cents...
 
According to what I have heard the Captain is coming back to Disneyland but probably not Disney World....Unfortunately in most things in life other than a presidential election the majority rules and right now I think Jackson is more popular than not.

I think your right about his popularity. Dying is the best thing he did career-wise in the last 10 years.
 
OMG! I am no MJ fan and I do believe he molested children weather convicted or not but I have heard more ignorant childish comments on this thread then I have heard in a long time... no matter what yours or my feelings about the king of pop are he is, was and will continue to be viewed as a legend around the word... good god did you all miss the media coverage? Did I think he was a great person? No, he was truely mentally ill. Do I think he should be a role model? No, but he is still looked upon by the black community as a legend. Am I saying not to give your opinions or stop MJ jokes? No but could we please up the maturity level a few notches?

I agree that the maturity level needs to be picked up and realize that there are so many different opinions on the subject - all I have to say is, he is one the greatest record sellers of all-time, so I hardly doubt it's only the black community that looks upon him as a legend.

Just wanted to be clear that his artistic abilities are well admired around the world, and even his personal life has proven not to overshadow his music. (Again, look at the record sales)

So even though he was crazy, whacko, molester, etc - let this be something that he is remembered for doing GOOD in his life, at the very least, for the sake of argument.
 
I agree that the maturity level needs to be picked up and realize that there are so many different opinions on the subject - all I have to say is, he is one the greatest record sellers of all-time, so I hardly doubt it's only the black community that looks upon him as a legend.

Just wanted to be clear that his artistic abilities are well admired around the world, and even his personal life has proven not to overshadow his music. (Again, look at the record sales)

So even though he was crazy, whacko, molester, etc - let this be something that he is remembered for doing GOOD in his life, at the very least, for the sake of argument.

I think it is very fair to respect the opinions of people that feel his personal life actions outweigh the importance of his artistic life (which is also subject to opinion). There is nothing immature about not supporting this effort to resurect an old attraction just because the guy is dead. In fact, calling it immature is more self-serving than not, because it attempts to invalidate opposing thinking in an effort to justify the alternative.

I can understand and respect that there might be reasons that some hold dear for retreading this attraction and putting it back in the parks. But let's also recognize that there is a great deal of equally, if not greater justified reasons not to.


Also, I'm not so sure that public opinion has thoroughly weighed in on this yet. It's probably a safe assumption that those who would want EO back have already spoken, but those that wouldn't want it back haven't yet heard it's coming back (and therefore would not be in a position to protest).


If Rasulo announces on Saturday that EO is indeed coming back at DL (and God forbid, at WDW), we can look at the reaction and make a far better judgment as to whether or not there is a majority in favor of this or not.
 
I think it is very fair to respect the opinions of people that feel his personal life actions outweigh the importance of his artistic life (which is also subject to opinion). There is nothing immature about not supporting this effort to resurect an old attraction just because the guy is dead. In fact, calling it immature is more self-serving than not, because it attempts to invalidate opposing thinking in an effort to justify the alternative.

You are absolutely right about having opinions being fair - perhaps I didn't explain myself clear enough.

It is not in any way immature to not support the comeback of EO - it IS immature to bicker back and forth, trying to call people out in order to out-wit them (for example, you calling me self-serving).

In no way was I trying to invalidate your opposing thinking in order to justify my alternative - I didn't give an opinion on if I personally think it's good or bad. All I said was that there IS immaturity in this thread, and if this something that they decide to bring back, let's just leave it at that, FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT - meaning, let's not start flames on the Dis Boards for people on BOTH SIDES voicing their opinions.
 
Well-can you imagine the general outrage if someone like Elvis had been found sleeping with young male children?? Not once mind you, but all the time????
Yet this fellow got away with it due to his "artistic ability".
Anyway, maybe someone could start a poll to gauge the general feeling if they should bring E/O back or not??
One vote here--NO.
 
Also, I thought in this country we were innocent until proven guilty. And wasn't he aquitted of charges.
Uh, exactly... he's no longer "alleged" since he was found innocent and I really wish people would stop going around calling people pedophiles when A)they weren't there and don't know the person- so they don't KNOW! and B) they OBVIOUSLY have not researched to see those were EXTORTIONS- period.
I had my doubts, once upon a time too, (but refused to give an opinion if guilty or not because I didn't know him, not enough info was out there to base an opinion on it based on facts of the cases, and because I believe innocent until proven guilty) but later I researched and I have learned PLENTY enough facts to form an opinion that they were nothing more than extortion attempts (one successful, one went to court and found innocent.) Some people are so led by our media-driven society that we have nowadays. They think everything they hear on tv or read in newspapers or online (which are now nothing more than what "tabloids"... can't distinguish real news from tabloids nowadays, seriously) and believe it's all facts, when it's most certainly not. It's really sad, IMO. It's a shame that people are found guilty in the court of public opinion based on nothing more than what they hear in the media (which is often biased one way or the other.)
Hint: when you read and/or hear "sources say"- you can pretty much guess it's completely made up by someone.

Well-can you imagine the general outrage if someone like Elvis had been found sleeping with young male children?? Not once mind you, but all the time????
Yet this fellow got away with it due to his "artistic ability".
Anyway, maybe someone could start a poll to gauge the general feeling if they should bring E/O back or not??
One vote here--NO.
Uh, you don't know much about Elvis, do you? :rotfl:

And on topic..... I had heard EO was coming back to Disneyland and was seriously contemplating an extra Disney trip to go to see it in person at Disneyland (instead of on youtube). We missed it- our first Disney trip was to Disney World in 2002 once it was already gone. HISTA is lame, IMO. It's a "been there done that, don't need to do it again" attraction, IMO.
Then I heard it wasn't coming back- nix that trip to Disneyland.
Believe it or not, whether the majority on THIS board would want Captain EO back.. LOTS of people in the world would. I've read all over the internet people planning trips from all over, even other COUNTRIES if Captain EO was returning. A poll on this board wouldn't likely be indicative of how the entire world felt- that's for sure.

I hate to burst anyone's bubble but if we didn't ever have anything in the entertainment field (including at Disney parks) that had nothing related to anyone who was EVER charged of crimes (and then found innocent, btw) we'd have a very boring existence.....

(if we polled- obvs my answer would be yes!)
 
If he were still alive would you let your young child spend the weekend at his house while you helped OJ search for the "real killers"? (I assume since he was acquitted too you assume he's innocent).

The first case never went to trial because he gave the kid's family $20 Million dollars (not something innocent people generally do). In the second case he probably just had better lawyers.

I'll answer.
question: no, and I wouldn't let my kids spend a weekend at your house either.

As for the rest of what you wrote- wrong. MANY people pay off settlements even when they are innocent. Yep, happens all the time- especially with companies, celebrities, etc. However, if you did your research before spouting off misinformation, fed to you by the biased media, you'd see the COURT DOCUMENTS which say that his insurance company paid the settlement on Jan 1994.
Oh and right- he was so much richer and more powerful in 2004 to get better lawyers for that case- than he was in the early 1990's. riiiiighhhht. *rolling my eyes* Laughing my butt off that he just had better lawyers in the 2nd case. He could have gotten any lawyer he wanted for any amount of money in the 90's- he was much richer then, more popular a celebrity, etc. back then than he was in 2004-2005!

Also if you did your research you'd see there is a reason for the settlement in the 90's. You'd see that the laws were different back then and due to some of the judge's decisions prior to the civil case- it was a lose/lose situation even for an innocent man. Look it up, if you really want to know the truth rather than just have fun posting someone is a pedophile (which I find disturbing in itself, btw. Just my opinion.) Laws changed by 2004... and he was able to get a criminal case FIRST, and so he did.. and he was found innocent.
(do you even know the facts of the criminal case? Do you even know the accusations made by the Arvizo family were that Michael Jackson started molesting this boy AFTER the Bashir documentary, AFTER a "reporter" contacted CPS after seeing the documentary, AFTER Gavin was already receiving flack from only his peers after seeing the Bashir documentary, AFTER CPS had already investigated the case and interviewed the Arvizo family- at which time they denied any wrongdoing on MJ's part and that he was a father figure who'd helped "heal" Gavin/etc., AFTER the media already went bazerk after the Bashir documentary. Did you know that? Maybe now that you know that- you will see how ridiculous that is. So he knew the boy for years and decided to molest him AFTER the whole world started thinking he was up to hanky panky with the boy they saw on the documentary? Yeah, that really makes sense.... not. Thank goodness the jury had enough sense to realize that made no sense whatsoever)
Ofcourse the media only reported what they wanted to report and many blind sheep ate into every bit of it. The court of public opinion is not a fair court, since the media can be so biased and say whatever they want to say without proof. You are one of many that have played right into their hands.

Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on a tv screen don't make it factual, actual. ;)

Oh and btw- spouting off that he died of a drug overdose isn't really completely fair either. Unless you were there to know something we don't know? Because as the case stands now- his death has been ruled a homicide, cause: injection by another. You make it sound like he was a heroine addict who OD'd and that is not the case. We don't even know that Michael asked for all those drugs- at this time we only know the word of the man (hesitate to call him a dr, because of his actions before and after Michael's death as well as the fact that he wasn't licensed to practice in Ca anyway) -from search warrants that are the only facts the public knows at the time- that Michael wanted propofol/diprivan to sleep and Murray ADMITTEDLY gave numerous drugs all night long- which are not drugs that should be given in that combination/amount- trying to avoid giving the diprivan because according to him "he felt" Michael was addicted to diprivan. Then he goes ahead and gives the propofol to him and Michael dies.
(not to mention all the suspicious, or at the very least "weird" things that go on after the "doctor" supposedly realizes Michael has stopped breathing.. according to his own words & his cellphone records- such as how long it is until he has someone call 911 after he makes several other calls for over 40 minutes on his cellphone. Yeah he made sure Michael was well beyond the "possibe revival point" before anyone was called to possibly save him. Chief of paramedics report states lividity had already set in when paramedics arrived, body temperature unknown but the room was "stifling hot" when they arrived.. do you know why that would be? I bet you can guess. There is a REASON the coronor listed it as homicide and it wasn't because a "druggie overdosed"... that's for sure.)

(ps. just FYI- I'm not sure I believe in any "murder conspiracy" stuff. I personally think that Murray was doing things he knew he shouldn't- or that any doctor should know- but he was doing it for the money. I personally believe that he did it for the money but he wasn't properly trained in anesthesiology and wasn't prepared for any problems with it. My opinion is that when trouble arose- he didn't have the proper equipment or training to deal with it but he tried to revive Michael. I believe he was afraid to immediately call 911 because he didn't want to be caught giving intravenous drugs he shouldn't be administering in a home setting, without a license to practice there and without the proper training to administer those drugs as well as without the proper revival equipment/etc. When he was unable to revive him- he went into "cover my butt" mode. I do not pretend to know who he called during that time, but I would venture a GUESS that it was probably to people who KNEW all about him giving drugs to help Michael sleep... possibly to ask "what do I do?" and from that point on -once 911 was called- his actions SEEM to be all about making sure it appeared he did nothing wrong as well as "confused" the time of death. I think he probably really just wanted to revive Michael without anyone being the wiser- and when he was unable to do so- he freaked out. That's just my opinion though.
It is also my opinion, solely based on comments made from other doctors/nurses that Michael had requested diprivan from and/or commented about it- that he said he was "fine" taking it as long as "his doctor monitored" him, that Michael did not think he'd die with his dr monitoring him and that he thought it was a perfectly safe method of getting some "sleep" as long as he was monitored by a dr. I have a hard time faulting him for this- since it's basically trusting a dr and most people do trust doctors. His mistake was that he got a dr that would agree to doing it solely for the money instead of saying "no, it's too dangerous"... as well as trusting a dr who wasn't qualified to administer this nor prepared to handle any breathing problems/etc. as an anesthesiologist in a hospital setting would. From what I have "heard"- which may or may not be fact- apparently last time Michael toured and for many years he had a "mini-clinic" go along with him on tour- along with an anesthesiologist "taking him under" at night and "bringing him back up" in the morning. If that is the case, we have no way of knowing if he had breathing problems back then but that anesthesiologist was prepared and capable of handilng any problems without anyone being the wiser- perhaps even Michael himself! If that is true, it is very likely that Michael assumed he'd be safe this time too... he just didn't handle things as well this time with his decision of WHO he chose as the dr. Michael was too rich for his own good. Not the first time someone was too rich for their own good -with disastrous results ofcourse. If he hadn't been able to afford to pay enormous amounts to get a dr to agree to do this- he'd have kept getting the "no" answer from everyone he asked. Problem is he had the money to finally get a debt-ridden dr to agree to it. And it's too bad that some doctors can be "bought" to say yes to anything, if the patient is rich enough.)
 
Ohmyword.
I read the rest of the thread and I can see now that my typing above was a complete waste of time- atleast it will be with some people. I had not read the thread completely (my mistake!) so I didn't realize to the EXTENT that some people have been completely brainwashed into believing the media only portrays the truth.
I mean really... even showing pictures and linking to documentary that was complete hogwash? (don't believe me- look on youtube for "take two: the footage you were never meant to see". You'll see how Bashir sure changed his "opinion" of Michael, as well as edited the tape, to be as sensational and misleading as possible- and it won him a position as a "reporter" in the US so he got what he wanted out of Michael- just as others in the media did for decades)

It's a losing battle trying to argue facts with someone who believes everything the media spouts. So I was obviously waisting my time with the above posts. Disregard- you are going to anyway. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just pray you are never in a position for the media and the "court of public opinion" to lay it's sights on you.... that's all I'm saying... cause it's a losing battle if the media decides you're guilty (they'll get the rest of the world beileving it too).
Some people need to wake up and realize the media is less likely to be "factual" as it used to be. Once upon a time you could tell the difference between the news and tabloids.. once upon a time people REALIZED that the "enquirer/etc" were complete fabrications and untruths... not so, anymore. The lines have been blurred, if not completely eradicated. I mean for crying out loud- when CNN and regular news reporters are citing "tmz" as their "source"- you know we're in trouble when it comes to recognizing fact vs sensationalism and fiction.
*sigh*
 
I can't find much about Elvis sleeping with a collection of underage little boys---???

If what Iger says is true, maybe the matter will end there.
And I like "bizarre pop star" -fits the fellow to a T.
 
A) I didn't say Elvis slept with underage boys- but he was no saint is all I'm saying.

B) I'll totally agree with bizarre pop star! Bizarre for a lot of reasons, one of which is not pedophilia (atleast not proven so enough to go around stating as fact that he was such.) But bizarre.. for sure. No one can deny that, I don't think. He had a bizarre life starting at a very young age and he was bizarre himself- I'd agree. Although I would venture a guess that most artists are a bit on the bizarre side, ie: not at all what we'd call normal. Most of the best entertainers are not what you'd call "normal everyday folk". Artistry of any kind and "normal" do not usually go hand in hand, IMO.
Unfair (IMO) to dismiss Captain EO because of rumors and suspicions that were unproven. Have you watched it on youtube? I'd totally rather see that (repeatedly! LOL) than HISTA. That's all I'm saying. :rotfl:
 
Uh, exactly... he's no longer "alleged" since he was found innocent

Sorry to nitpick, but Jackson was found "not guilty". All that means is the DA failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jackson was guilty of the charges. It is far different from being proven innocent.

My original point was that a family-oriented company like Disney would probably be wise from a PR standpoint to avoid being associated with him. Based on Iger's comments it looks like that's the route the company is taking.
 
So I ask again. . . you are okay with Disney using Tim Allen and Lindsay Lohan . . . . . .living drug users and 1 sentenced for cocaine posession and intent to distribute. . . . .
 

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