Wicked Wind Down - Are we really not discussing this?

[Sandisw]

I just don't see Disney not grandfathering in resale points that are eligble. If they didn't that could be a game changer in the future.

I wonder now if what was meant is you have to be booked using an eligible membership.

Before I added on my new VGF points, my Dec UY was not eligible for membership extras but my Aug UY was.

So, for these events , it could have been talking about that? Grandfathered resale owners have the membership that is qualified

 

[SL6827]

I wonder now if what was meant is you have to be booked using an eligible membership.

Before I added on my new VGF points, my Dec UY was not eligible for membership extras but my Aug UY was.

So, for these events , it could have been talking about that? Grandfathered resale owners have the membership that is qualified

Maybe so.

 

[SL6827]

But if you are an owner say with 400 resale points but you are a blue card holder with 25 direct points, then you couldnt book it with your 400 resale point contract?

 

[Sandisw]

But if you are an owner say with 400 resale points but you are a blue card holder with 25 direct points, then you couldnt book it with your 400 resale point contract?

It sounds like..because there are now reports that people have used both resale and direct points for a reservation but that reservation is in an eligible membership. So what you describe would be okay since you are booking on the membership that is a qualified one.

Where it might not be allowed is if you have two memberships, one like described above that does have the blue card, but also another one that does not.

If you book on the white card membership, you might not be eligible even though you have a different membership that does make you eligible

For example, if I my Dec UY still had a white card, and that is what my trip was booked on I would not be eligible for the special event because I was not staying on a qualified membership. But no official confirmation yet in that as no one posting here has shared being denied when trying that.

But I would be allowed to visit because I have an onsite reservation and a blue card membership from my other account.

So, based on reports so far , all those eligible for membership extras can go the lounge, as long as you have an onsite trip..points or cash.

Those wanting to book this, must be traveling on their qualified membership and can get reservations for those in the owners room reservation.

 

[DonMacGregor]

It sounds like..because there are now reports that people have used both resale and direct points for a reservation but that reservation is in an eligible membership. So what you describe would be okay since you are booking on the membership that is a qualified one.

Where it might not be allowed is if you have two memberships, one like described above that does have the blue card, but also another one that does not.

If you book on the white card membership, you might not be eligible even though you have a different membership that does make you eligible

For example, if I my Dec UY still had a white card, and that is what my trip was booked on I would not be eligible for the special event because I was not staying on a qualified membership. But no official confirmation yet in that as no one posting here has shared being denied when trying that.

But I would be allowed to visit because I have an onsite reservation and a blue card membership from my other account.

So, based on reports so far , all those eligible for membership extras can go the lounge, as long as you have an onsite trip..points or cash.

Those wanting to book this, must be traveling on their qualified membership and can get reservations for those in the owners room reservation.

Ok, so I have one membership, one use year, and both 200 direct points and 225 resale. I am headed to BRV in September on a reservation that is using a combination of points from direct and resale contracts. Am I, or am I not, "qualified" to enter the lounge? If I made the reservation using all resale points, and I'm a Blue Card member, would I be allowed in?

 

[SL6827]

Ok, so I have one membership, one use year, and both 200 direct points and 225 resale. I am headed to BRV in September on a reservation that is using a combination of points from direct and resale contracts. Am I, or am I not, "qualified" to enter the lounge? If I made the reservation using all resale points, and I'm a Blue Card member, would I be allowed in?

Good question. Surely you would be, but who knows now? You don't have to be staying on all direct points to enter the lounge in Epcot or too attend a MMagic event do you?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Ok, so I have one membership, one use year, and both 200 direct points and 225 resale. I am headed to BRV in September on a reservation that is using a combination of points from direct and resale contracts. Am I, or am I not, "qualified" to enter the lounge? If I made the reservation using all resale points, and I'm a Blue Card member, would I be allowed in?

I’m guessing you will share a table, and receive 1/2 of the included offerings.

Of course you will still pay full price.

 

[SL6827]

I’m guessing you will share a table, and receive 1/2 of the included offerings.

Of course you will still pay full price.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Good question. Surely you would be, but who knows now? You don't have to be staying on all direct points to enter the lounge in Epcot or too attend a MMagic event do you?

DISCLAIMER: Please remember that past performance may not be indicative of future results. YMMV

 

[achinforsomebacon]

It sounds like..because there are now reports that people have used both resale and direct points for a reservation but that reservation is in an eligible membership. So what you describe would be okay since you are booking on the membership that is a qualified one.

Where it might not be allowed is if you have two memberships, one like described above that does have the blue card, but also another one that does not.

If you book on the white card membership, you might not be eligible even though you have a different membership that does make you eligible

For example, if I my Dec UY still had a white card, and that is what my trip was booked on I would not be eligible for the special event because I was not staying on a qualified membership. But no official confirmation yet in that as no one posting here has shared being denied when trying that.

But I would be allowed to visit because I have an onsite reservation and a blue card membership from my other account.

So, based on reports so far , all those eligible for membership extras can go the lounge, as long as you have an onsite trip..points or cash.

Those wanting to book this, must be traveling on their qualified membership and can get reservations for those in the owners room reservation.

This all seems way too complicated for Disney IT to figure out!

 

[Sandisw]

This all seems way too complicated for Disney IT to figure out!

Disney IT wouldn’t be the one. Just the CM at the podium when you get there! Lol

 

[Louis morrell]

My reading from https://disneyvacationclub.disney.g...rs/member-experiences/top-of-the-world-lounge is that if you have a qualifying membership and are staying in a Disney resort using that membership you are good to go. It doesnt say anywhere qualifying points if that is even a thing. My membership is mixed but it is a DVC-Y membership therefore if I book using my membership I believe I can book the Wind Down event or just go fcfs.

From their page
Eligibility

Eligible Disney Vacation Club Members with access to Membership Extras––who are staying at a Disney-owned-and-operated hotel at Walt Disney World Resort using their Membership (whether they booked with Vacation Points or cash)––may enjoy access to this exclusive space just outside Magic Kingdom park.

*Requires eligibility for Membership Extras which is an incidental benefit subject to availability, change or termination and may require a fee.

**Access to Top of the World Lounge requires an eligible Walt Disney World Resort hotel reservation booked by using your Membership, valid photo ID, and digital Disney Vacation Club Membership Card.

The first * defines an eligible member as stated in the title
The ** appears to apply to everything offered on the page.

Just how I am interpreting what I am reading.

 

[Genie+]

Yeah, I can’t see how they would enforce anything outside being a ‘Y’ member staying on site. Just too convoluted to go any further.

If your trip points for the week are half resale and half direct, who’s to say what day is resale and which day is direct?

I think this wording is too confusing:

“Eligible Disney Vacation Club Members with access to Membership Extras––who are staying at a Disney-owned-and-operated hotel at Walt Disney World Resort using their Membership (whether they booked with Vacation Points or cash)––may enjoy access to this exclusive space just outside Magic Kingdom park.”

There’s more than one way to ‘use a membership’.

 

[Louis morrell]

My understanding of this statement " using their Membership (whether they booked with Vacation Points or cash)" is a points reservation at a DVC resort, a points reservation in the Disney Collection or a DVC discounted reservation. I don't know of any other ways to use my membership to book a Disney resort.

ETA: If I have resale points transferred into my qualified membership I still have a qualified membership. I can do either option. I just cannot book Rivera if they are restricted.

If I rent points or just do a cash stay on or off site I am not allowed either option.

I just do not see how they could administer such a complex system as suggested by some of the posts above. I think the language on the TOTW page is pretty clear. I could be wrong though

 

[DonMacGregor]

My understanding of this statement " using their Membership (whether they booked with Vacation Points or cash)" is a points reservation at a DVC resort, a points reservation in the Disney Collection or a DVC discounted reservation. I don't know of any other ways to use my membership to book a Disney resort.

I read it the same way, and I had assumed that’s why they specifically included the parenthetical reference regarding points or cash. That seems pretty straightforward, but we’ve still seen some people reporting that MS wouldn’t let them book because the “reservation” didn’t qualify, not their membership. We all know not to trust a MS CM, so I was curious if anyone has had real experience yet.

 

[Sandisw]

My understanding of this statement " using their Membership (whether they booked with Vacation Points or cash)" is a points reservation at a DVC resort, a points reservation in the Disney Collection or a DVC discounted reservation. I don't know of any other ways to use my membership to book a Disney resort.

ETA: If I have resale points transferred into my qualified membership I still have a qualified membership. I can do either option. I just cannot book Rivera if they are restricted.

If I rent points or just do a cash stay on or off site I am not allowed either option.

I just do not see how they could administer such a complex system as suggested by some of the posts above. I think the language on the TOTW page is pretty clear. I could be wrong though

I think that many are talking about the special events. Some people have both eligible and not eligible memberships…not just contracts within it.

So, if one has two memberships, and the reservation is made on the white card one, not the blue card, they may not let you purchase this option

To visit, FCFS, it doesn’t matter. When I booked my event, my friend was on the room with her son,..we have two studios booked at VGF…but had to be moved to my room so I could book for both of us.

But, had we just wanted to visit, since both rooms were on my membership, the CM didn’t think there would be an issue…

It is all new, though, so we will have to wait for more reports regarding the booking something like Wicked Wind Down and what happened when people just showed up.

 

[Louis morrell]

This I pretty clear as well. All guests (FCFS or Special Event) MUST BE on the members reservation. Not a room booked by the member for them. The member and guests must be listed on the same reservation and the member must also accompany the party to the lounge.

"Party Size

Eligible Members and their guests staying on that Member’s reservation are eligible. Each eligible Membership can enjoy Top of the World Lounge access for one party per day—which can include eligible Members and guests staying on that Member's reservation. At least one Member in the traveling party must accompany the group and present their current MagicBand, digital Membership card and government-issued photo ID in order to gain admission to the lounge and observation deck. A Digital Disney Vacation Club Membership Card is also required to verify Membership eligibility."

What is interesting is it states "membership" not member can enjoy one visit per day. My wife, my son and myself are all owners on my membership and are DVC-Y but as I read it if I go up alone my wife and or my son will not be able to join me later as I will have expended my one visit per day per membership.

 

[Sandisw]

This I pretty clear as well. All guests (FCFS or Special Event) MUST BE on the members reservation. Not a room booked by the member for them. The member and guests must be listed on the same reservation and the member must also accompany the party to the lounge.

"Party Size

Eligible Members and their guests staying on that Member’s reservation are eligible. Each eligible Membership can enjoy Top of the World Lounge access for one party per day—which can include eligible Members and guests staying on that Member's reservation. At least one Member in the traveling party must accompany the group and present their current MagicBand, digital Membership card and government-issued photo ID in order to gain admission to the lounge and observation deck. A Digital Disney Vacation Club Membership Card is also required to verify Membership eligibility."

What is interesting is it states "membership" not member can enjoy one visit per day. My wife, my son and myself are all owners on my membership and are DVC-Y but as I read it if I go up alone my wife and or my son will not be able to join me later as I will have expended my one visit per day per membership.

Yes, that is how I read it. Its one group up per day for the membership...so all go at the same time... I am just saying that the CM when I booked this event, stated that FCFS should allow my guests from both rooms, since were were traveling together at the same resort, for the same dates... but couldn't be 100% positive. Now, in practice, will they deny people based on that who come FCFS? That is what we are waiting on in terms of reports.

Since it sounds like many without reservations were held until 9 pm anyway, I have a feeling there could be some leeway with that...especially after the fireworks are over. But, I do know that they were strict for the party, and why I had to move my friend to my room to go. I also can't imagine that if someone shows up at 10:30 pm when it is closing at midnight and it is not crowded they won't allow an eligible member and the rest of the party from their reservations to go up....but they hold strict to the rules at Epcot lounge so they may decide to do the same here.

 

[Louis morrell]

I understand. They have a policy but weather or not they follow or even understand their own policy is the question. No matter what the policy is my only hope is that they do follow it and are consistant. We know from past stories that is not always the case.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I think the confusion is going to lie in the membership composition. I have one membership, one prime contract # 1234567. My direct contracts are .001, .002, and .004. My resale contracts are .003, .005 and .006.

One membership, one prime contract, and a mixtures of direct and resale depending on the suffix.