Why Would You Buy Direct Anymore?

I agree. The saying goes “buy where you want to stay” so RIV resale is exactly that. You’re stuck! I’m sure the majority of owners buy DVC for having the flexibility to move around. This will certainly play a role on RIVs resale value.
This is DVC's way of justifying their Direct Premium for new Properties. Save $100 a point resale but stay at only home resort. Pay $100 more direct and you get all DVC resorts to stay at. Only problem is with this theory is DVC is forgetting about the 14 other properties available resale that don't have this restriction. lol. So it doesn't work that way.
 
You've done selling to buy different though. Would you have made those choices if the resale prices weren't high or if say your original purchase could now only be sold for 1/2?

Yes. It might have simply changed the timeline of when I bought what to replace it. So, when I sold BLT in 2017, if I had lost money, I would have only added on 300 SSR vs 500 SSR...and bought the rest the following year.

Same with RIV....had I not profited $53/point, I still would have sold, bought less in 2019, and just bought the rest in 2020.
 
So then DVC is under pricing their new product for you as you'd pay even more.

You asked if I would have sold if resale was less...and I would have. Not sure what point you are now making?

Sorry, but I just never considered resale value when I bought.

ETA: And some of the contracts I sold, given commission did amount to a loss. I paid $84/point...I think for my first VWL and sold it for less a year later.
 
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This only matters who buy DVC expecting a strong resale value. We did not, including when we first bought.

I think it does come down to how often people may want to stay at RIV or any new resorts, IMO, DVC is too expensive to go resale solely because you are worried about resale value IF staying at RIV is something you want,

Now, someone who has no desire and doesn’t care, it does make it harder to choose buying direct.

Everyone is different, I went the resale route with BLT summer and because RIV is one of my top resorts, even though I have plenty of other points, it is a regret having it and should have stuck with unrestricted points.
The way I'm looking at it is that I'd like to have the opportunity to sell my contract and get a decent amount of the up front cost out of it. I didn't necessarily buy with a plan on selling the contract, but it's hard to say what the situation will be 10, 15 or 20 years down the road. I think at some point we'll want to buy in direct as Disney keeps adding more resorts and we're locked out of those resorts. Riviera is nice, but it's not somewhere we absolutely want to say. There will probably be some future resort that ends up driving us to buy direct and to do so we'll probably sell our resale contract.
 
The way I'm looking at it is that I'd like to have the opportunity to sell my contract and get a decent amount of the up front cost out of it. I didn't necessarily buy with a plan on selling the contract, but it's hard to say what the situation will be 10, 15 or 20 years down the road. I think at some point we'll want to buy in direct as Disney keeps adding more resorts and we're locked out of those resorts. Riviera is nice, but it's not somewhere we absolutely want to say. There will probably be some future resort that ends up driving us to buy direct and to do so we'll probably sell our resale contract.

There are people who want that option and if it is that important, it should be considered...but, nothing to stop the market from tanking either.

As long as people weigh pros and cons and don’t buy something to find they were disappointed once they do, it’s all personal choice.

As I said, I thought going resale for BLT wouldn’t be a big deal and I’m finding it gives me headaches I wish I didn’t have! Lol
 
Well, they only changed the resale rules for direct contracts at Riviera (so far) so that does affect direct purchases going forward. The lack of ability of whoever buys your contract on resale to stay anywhere but the one resort likely will have a negative effect on how much money you could get for that contract on the resale market.

Yes, lots of things can make it harder to sell on the re-sale market. Global warming can make it harder to re-sell. Reduced park hours, more expensive tickets, lots of things can make re-sale less valuable and thereby indirectly negatively impact the direct purchaser.

Disney will act legally (probably) and in their interest (certainly). It's certainly in their interest to discourage resale. It is not in their interest (in additional to legally difficult) to change the basic rules of operation for direct purchasers.
The main caveat being, if they simply choose to stop doing timeshares, switch to a Condo-tel model instead. In such an event, DVC would gradually die off as properties expire. But as long as they believe it is economical to keep selling DVC, the DVC will continue to operate under similar rules.
 
They haven't done any changing to how a resale buyer uses their purchase either though. If it came without restrictions it has no restrictions in use. If it came with restrictions it keeps those same restrictions for use.

It's subtle but the change hurt the direct purchaser because they no longer get to sell the same product that they bought. For a new resale buyer they will know what they are purchasing and will get to sell the same product if they either decide or need to. However lets say DVC decides to restrict more on when owners sell then at least the resale buyer has a good amount of depreciation already built in and the direct buyer will now have a couple of adjustments to factor into a sale.

Correct... they can no longer sell the exact same product they bought. And that's true of all the resorts, not just Riviera. Yes, Disney is making re-sale less valuable -- It's in their financial interests to do so, to drive people to direct.
And it thereby INCREASES the value of direct purchasing: People will be more likely to buy direct vs resale, if they want the "unrestricted" experience.
Not many buyers who were planning on buying direct will now refuse to do so. But buyers considering re-sale might now be more inclined to direct.

Again, it's in the interest of Disney to make direct purchase as desirable and valuable as possible. Perks like AP discounts may disappear if Disney doesn't think they are needed to entice direct purchase anymore. But the core trading rules -- If Disney makes it so new resorts can't trade in and out of the old resorts, that would greatly reduce the value of direct purchase. That would not be in Disney's interest.

Your point is about if what is provided with a direct purchase is of value to pay direct pricing vs paying less than direct for resale and having those rules for the life of the contract. Then comes the time to sell and it's different than it used to be.

Yes, that's a change that's in Disney's financial interest. They believe (probably correctly) that it will increase direct sales. They really don't care if you are going to get less money when you re-sell it in 20 years.
As I have said, they will do what's in their interest. In some cases (like keeping the trade system), their interests align with DVC owner interests.
 
You're not doing too bad if you bought CCV 300 @ $163. Those 300pts now would be over $60k direct at approx. $210/pt. And the value would drop substantially after you sign the contract. On the other hand, resale would be around $40k @ $135/pt and maintain a decent value. That's a huge difference.

I currently have 150 points direct at CCV. I have been casually checking out the resale prices to add on another 150 (although with recent changes still on the fence). There are still a lot of $150 point contracts out there which is really surprising. The $145 or less are few and far between. Maybe that will change.
 
You're not doing too bad if you bought CCV 300 @ $163. Those 300pts now would be over $60k direct at approx. $210/pt. And the value would drop substantially after you sign the contract. On the other hand, resale would be around $40k @ $135/pt and maintain a decent value. That's a huge difference.
CCV is now $220.
CCV is still in active sales and has incentives against it. 300 points now would be $185/point. Not as great as $163, but not $220. I bought during the summer incentives last year, and got CCV at $175/point, and RIV at effectively $148/point.
 
Don't forget the backpack! We are new white card members and have some serious FOMO about the backpack. ;)

If we do buy direct in the future, it would be to have some non-restricted points to use at any future resort.

And the backpack!
 
CCV is still in active sales and has incentives against it. 300 points now would be $185/point. Not as great as $163, but not $220. I bought during the summer incentives last year, and got CCV at $175/point, and RIV at effectively $148/point.

I guess I didn't take the incentives into account. That's not too bad then.
 
This is DVC's way of justifying their Direct Premium for new Properties. Save $100 a point resale but stay at only home resort. Pay $100 more direct and you get all DVC resorts to stay at. Only problem is with this theory is DVC is forgetting about the 14 other properties available resale that don't have this restriction. lol. So it doesn't work that way.
The big problem with people thinking that they are getting something tangible by being able to stay at other resorts is they are actually costing themselves extra trips to Disney. Lets say you want 250 points at VGF. That $25,000 you save by buying resale will get you get you over 50 nights at Riviera on the cash side. Or, you can take that $25,000 and buy 200 resale points at Riviera.
 
Sounds like my wife and I need talk so more, and work out if we want to do this sooner then later! this is a very helpful conversatio!
I read the whole thread and I missed one key question: Have you stayed at either/both resorts? Things can look very different on paper than they are in real life.

I rented points to stay at SSR but after reading the boards and everything else, I was convinced I was going to hate it. And I absolutely love it.

Just make sure you get a real feel for the resorts before you invest in either resale or direct.
 
Don't forget the backpack! We are new white card members and have some serious FOMO about the backpack. ;)

If we do buy direct in the future, it would be to have some non-restricted points to use at any future resort.

And the backpack!

I went from a new white card owner in December to now an owner of 2 backpacks and 4 magnets a few weeks later. I'm proud of my $3k backpacks 😂
 
I read the whole thread and I missed one key question: Have you stayed at either/both resorts? Things can look very different on paper than they are in real life.

I rented points to stay at SSR but after reading the boards and everything else, I was convinced I was going to hate it. And I absolutely love it.

Just make sure you get a real feel for the resorts before you invest in either resale or direct.

Thanks for this, we have not and that is a main reason I want to go and check out both resorts during our next trip this October. We are at CBR so we can just walk over to RIV to get the feel for it, and we plan on getting with a guide to check out rooms at the 2 resorts just to get a feel for the rooms.
I see all the hate on RIV here, and I just can’t see us not loving it!
 
Thanks for this, we have not and that is a main reason I want to go and check out both resorts during our next trip this October. We are at CBR so we can just walk over to RIV to get the feel for it, and we plan on getting with a guide to check out rooms at the 2 resorts just to get a feel for the rooms.
I see all the hate on RIV here, and I just can’t see us not loving it!

I don’t think most of the DVC members on this board hate RIV. It’s a beautiful resort and the rooms are very nice. The dislike comes from the continuing inflation in the point charts at each new resort and the new very restricted resale parameters for RIV. We all see the value in DVC and it has held its value over the years in the resale market, but now with RIV that’s probably not going to happen.
 
Thanks for this, we have not and that is a main reason I want to go and check out both resorts during our next trip this October. We are at CBR so we can just walk over to RIV to get the feel for it, and we plan on getting with a guide to check out rooms at the 2 resorts just to get a feel for the rooms.
I see all the hate on RIV here, and I just can’t see us not loving it!
I am an owner there since June 2019 and don’t regret our purchase (yet). As someone new to DVC researching it is hard to get unbiased opinions on DVC as it is now. A lot of the long term owners view it as a true investment because a lot of people have actually made money buying and selling their timeshare. That is really unheard of in the timeshare world and something I didn’t even care about. In my opinion the decision to purchase DVC was a comparison of DVC costs versus cash stays. In my opinion, the only question you need to ask yourself is will you be happy spending XX number of days every year at WDW for at least the next 8 - 10 Year’s? The number of days will equal the number of points you should try and purchase. If that answer is yes then I would look at your finances, resort preferences and incentives and pick the resort that fits your family. For us that ended up being RIV for a lot reasons. We visited and loved the skyliner. We are a younger family so we wanted a long contract duration. We were unsure of family size so we needed 5 person studios. We wanted access to parks without busses.

My only concern now is with Disney’s push to decentivize staying on site (cash or DVC) I am starting to wonder if I want to go to WDW every 12-18 months. Our family plan was to hold on to this contract for the full length. With two young kids we have at least 12-13 years of prime WDW vacations then a big Aulani trip will get us 15 Year’s down the road and we can reassess. If we sell 15 Year’s down the road, any money would be gravy in my book.
 



















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