Why sell?

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I am interested in buying either a new unit in BCV or a BWV resale but would first like more info about the whole deal, from a non-Disney point of view. My primary question is why are there many resales available? Obviously I know that people have to seel for various economic reasons, but since there seem to be many units in all the resorts available, and many weren't bought all that long ago, I would like to know if there is a specific reason people are selling them. Is it not a good value? Did you have trouble booking the room you wanted when you wanted it? Are the regular hotels better places to stay? Any sort of information would be appreciated, as I don't want to buy into the program only to want to sell my share a few years later. Thanks!
 
The majority of sales tend to be for financial reasons. This can include settling estates, couples divorcing, needing money for other reasons such as college or purchasing a home. People have owned DVC for as long as ten years. A lot of lifestyle changes can happen in that time that may have nothing to do with the actual use of DVC.

I haven't looked at the resales lately but if you take into consideration that there are some 65,000+ owners of DVC, the number of resales is a pretty small percentage.
 
Good question. Personally, I saw the resale market encouraging. letting me know that if a financial crisis or major need did occur, I could get a good dollar amount for my DVC points should I need to sell. I have know intention of selling, but if I had to come up with some $$$ (pay off a bail bondsman? :-o), the option is there.
 
Keep in mind there are 60,000+ members (I think). So the amount of re-sale is small.

joe in CT
 

Keep in mind there are 60,000+ members (I think). So the amount of re-sale is small.

Say 5% annual turnover, 3,000 resales a year....I don't think the sites and places we see resales have anywhere near that number of resales annually.
 
Deaths and divorces would be the cause in a significant number of cases, IMHO
 
Over time, as you can see, unlike many other timeshare programs, the cost of DVC ownership has "magically" gone up and there is a brisk resale market with DVC memberships being very, very liquid. As a result, people have seen the value of their membership increase. At the same time, the amount of time left on that ownership has gone down. At some point, inevitably, DVC will no longer be able to increase the cost/point because it will just not make financial sense for purchasers any longer - because of the decreasing amount of time left and DVC will ultimately be forced to begin lowering the price/point.

People who bought at the very beginning of DVC have seen the value of their ownership basically double over the past 10 years as well as having been able to get 10 years use out of their property. Though DVC is not supposed to be an investment like real estate, that is exactly what it's turned out to be for many folks.

Personally, when the price/point tops out, we have absolutely no problem selling. That day will come - could be when DVC forces the price/point to $100 or maybe when the realization hits that there's only 30 or 20 years left - who knows? It is unbelievable to think that in a business where the value of almost every timeshare depreciates enormously from the purchase price, one sees its owners sitting on gains.

We love our DVC membership and it serves our purposes well currently. But, in these economic times, if I'm sitting on a few thousand dollars in profit, after having gotten years of use out of my ownership, it doesn't make sense in my mind not to take the profit when the time comes.

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Is it not a good value? Did you have trouble booking the room you wanted when you wanted it? Are the regular hotels better places to stay? Any sort of information would be appreciated, as I don't want to buy into the program only to want to sell my share a few years later
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It is a good value. If you have stayed in a Disney property and paid the going (or even discounted) nightly rates, you would find that the entire cost of a DVC membership would be paid for in probably 6 to 7 years at most under normal circumstances. That basically gives you over 30 years of free stays - paying just your annual dues which is nothing compared to the yearly use you get.

Are regular hotels better? No. DVC units are much nicer, more spacious, and have more ammenities. Trouble booking the room when you wanted it? Depends when you want to go and the type of room you want, but overall there is no problem. If you're flexible, there is always something available when you want to go. If you call early enough, you can always get what you want.

Lastly, you say "I am interested in buying either a new unit in BCV or a BWV resale". I think you may have a bit of misconception of what you are buying and actually "own". You are not buying a "unit" but a contract giving you, in essence, a "right to use".

Understand there is no difference in purchasing a contract from DVC or resale - they entitle you to exactly the same things. What you do need to look closely at when going resale is what the seller is including regarding banked/borrowed points and how you need to adjust the price/point you are paying. But, in the end, with nearly a $20/point difference in purchasing between DVC and a resale, it makes less sense than ever to buy from DVC.

Signed,
the one Rickyams calls a "pedestrian"
 
Some people DO sell because it doesn't work for them. If you traditionally travel on short notice, especially at peak DVC times, there may not be availability. If you buy intending on doing a lot of non-DVC things, you may discover it isn't a very good value. If you feel comfortable staying at the All-Stars or off site, you won't be saving yourself money. And, I think some people buy when they're infatuated with Disney, often while on vacation. Then they take a couple of trips and discover that it wasn't true love, burn out on Disney, and move on - take up skiing with the same passion.

But, considering the number of members, turnover is low. Most contracts seem to be sold because of life changes. And on occation, the reality of the checkbook once they come home from vacation.
 
The resale I bought was part of a divorce....that, layoffs and deaths would probably be major contributors.

Also, those who bought in the early years received free WDW passes for several years. So their investment literally paid for itself in no time at all.

Maybe the kids have grown up, maybe the DVC owners moved too far from Orlando to make DVC practical.

I don't see a healthy resale market as a negative in any way at all.
 
I plan to use my DVC membership for the next 10-15 years and then sell. By then my kids should be grown up and I should be able to easily get what I paid for the points as there will still be 30 plus years on the program.

Andrew
 
I could easily understand the way the economy is now why some people choose to sell. We have been members for 1 yr and I feel even better now about our purchase than I did then. Reasons: 1. We finally got to use our pts for the 1st time, made us feel good to see our home resort since we bought unseen. 2. Ive watched the resales and seen the asking prices. This shouldnt be viewed as a money making investment, BUT, it is the best investment Ive made in a good while. EX. My stocks have done lousy for the past 2 yrs. Our rental property has been pretty much a headache for the last 7 yrs. DVC has increased at least $10 a pt since our purchase 1 yr ago this mos.

Bottom line IMHO, I dont think you can go wrong with DVC if it is what you think will work for you, your family, your schedule, your finances. I hope I never HAVE to sell. I will be in my early 70s and hope to still be going to WDW in 2042. Hope to be taking my Grandchildren by that time, but Im having a ball right now with my kids who allow me to be a big kid when Goofy comes around!!
 
65,000 members, and perhaps 25 selling at one time, does not sound like a lot of resales to me. If you know of a website that has more resales than that, I would appreciate knowing about it, since I am looking for another 100 points to add to the 3 contracts I now own. I find that 700 points isn't nearly enough for everything I want to do in the next 30-40 years!
 
WDW has changed and so do many people. Many people used to get into WDW for free now must pay. There are a lot of reasons for selling not just financial. Remember, with DVC you are not buying anything just leasing points now for 40 years it used to be 50 years and free park admission.
 
Originally posted by jimmytammy
Bottom line IMHO, I dont think you can go wrong with DVC if it is what you think will work for you, your family, your schedule, your finances. I hope I never HAVE to sell. I will be in my early 70s and hope to still be going to WDW in 2042. Hope to be taking my Grandchildren by that time, but Im having a ball right now with my kids who allow me to be a big kid when Goofy comes around!!

Ditto for me but I'll be 81 with grandchildren. Yippie Grandpa and minnie. :wave:
 
We sold over 1/2 our points this year, reasons:
1- we got hooked on the add-ons, found we were forcing ourselves to go more often than we really wanted to just because we had extra points and always found ourselves in a bad position as far as where our points stood(points not banked, points borrowed) All our fault, nothing bad about DVC. We hate to plan, then always seem to change those plans.
2-planned to take others with us and for various reasons that did not happen
3- I changed jobs, now have less time off
4-realized the overall financial repercusions of #1 for additional travel/vacation expenses. DVC was cheap, it's the rest that was killing us.
5-we were actually becoming bored with the whole thing, going 2-4 times a year, it no longer felt special. DH says my life was revolving around DVC plans, he was right, DVC OCD, I needed to get a life.

We still love Disney and will go for 1-2 weeks a year, but a lot has changed for us and all those points no longer fit our needs. So as you can see, we don't fit the need/have to get rid of DVC group, but for other reasons, none due to anything wrong with the system.
 
I have been a DVC member for nine years & have known two families who have reduced their number of points (death in the family) or sold all their points (layoffs, financial decision).

MSDIS, I understand completely!
 















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