Why isnt this story getting any nationwide attention/court tv coverage???

[Bob O]

This story form the Washington times highlights a horrific crime that took place in Wichita Kansas but for some reason is getting no national attention/court tv coverage, does anybody hazard a guess why??
www.washtimes.com/national/20021007-5521566.htm
If the link doesnt work it can be linked from drudgererport.com

 

[Blondie]

This is the first I've read/heard about it.

Not sure why it hasn't gotten more press....does seem a bit odd.

 

[honeywolf7]

I don't know but it's both terrible and very interesting (the hate crimes legislation part.)

 

[olena]

"The indifference of government, media and civil-rights leaders to crimes such as those alleged to have been committed by the Carr brothers send a clear message across America that some lives matter and some lives don't."

Makes you wonder.

 

[Lanshark]

It should be getting national attention. Unfortunately it may be a case of PC run amok.

 

[Bob O]

Of course its PC!!! If the tables were turned and some white people did this too some black people all the media would be their and the dregs of society like sharpton/jackson/farrahkan would be there getting major face tme on national tv with the major medai asking us"What does this say about America"
Double standards are alive and well in the PC world of the media!!!

 

[CRB#33]

I don't remember if I heard anything about this two years ago or not. I did not know of the trial until just now though.

The only way this would make national headlines was if it was more than just a robbery/murder and proven to be a race/hate issue. The problem then is this could open the doors to people saying this is a case of reverse discrimination. This alone would make it a hotbed to touch. Reverse discrimination, and I'm not saying this is the case here, is hard to prove and many feel that there is no such thing.

It's so much easier for it to be just a robbery and therefore, it would not get that much national coverage.

I have read this over and over and I'm not sure I'm making my point, but that just goes to show how touchy this subject is.

 

[danacara]

Is this a hate crime? Clearly it involves a pair of sociopathic burglarizing rapists, but I don't know if race was really an issue in this one. It's insufficient to characterize a crime as a hate crime simply because the offenders were a different race than the victims.

It's a heinous story, and I'm sure there's a racial sensitivity issue at play here. I don't think it's the only issue in determining newsworthiness, though.

Maybe another reason it doesn't get national attention is because there's very little available graphically. I gather H.G. does not want her identity divulged, and since the court case is closed to photographers, all they have is old pictures of the victims, a photograph of the field months later, and some sketches of the offenders. It's not a lot of content for the media to work with.

Another possible reason: as horrible as this is to say, surprise is a big element of newsworthiness. We were surprised when Elizabeth Smart was grabbed, because she was a rich white girl from relatively crime-free Utah. We were surprised when the two girls from Oregon were grabbed, because it was two of them at different times. We were surprised with OJ because he was a millionaire sports star. And unfortunately, many are not surprised when relatively anonymous young black men rob, rape and/or kill people, because it seems distressingly common. One in four black men 20-29 are incarcerated. It's less newsworthy because Americans aren't surprised to hear it, they "knew it all along." As sick and sad as that is, it's a fact that we should all be working to change.

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

Of course its PC!!! If the tables were turned and some white people did this too some black people all the media would be their and the dregs of society like sharpton/jackson/farrahkan would be there getting major face tme on national tv with the major medai asking us"What does this say about America"
Double standards are alive and well in the PC world of the media!!!

I'm just curious BobO does dreg to you =black people in general. The reason I'm asking you this is because, reading some of your post you seem to always throw alittle snidish remark towards black people such as the "RODNEY KING/KUMBAYAH" statement in the Closing the threads report.



One in four black men 20-29 are incarcerated. It's less newsworthy because Americans aren't surprised to hear it, they "knew it all along." As sick and sad as that is, it's a fact that we should all be working to


I don't know the exact statistics when it comes to black men incarcerated ,but I do know that alot of black men were put in prison falsely accused. I also know that their are alot of black men in prison because they chose a life of crime just as all criminals do sad to say (But thats another story) What these men did was wrong , and they deserved whatever they have coming to them. NO ONE has a right to take a life no matter what. IMHO, I think it is sad that anyperson would chose a life of crime. It's just like the James Byrd case and the shooting of innocent muslims when 9/11 happened. There wasn't much media coverage on the death's of these people. Non of them deserved to die. We weren't shocked at who did it. Nor were we shocked at why they did it, because we know who has the worst history when it comes to violence and intolerance of other races. I don't know if it's just something they are born with , but its not a shock to anyone that a number of hate crimes on non whites. I think it is sad when people feel the need to lable races with stereotypes. I "USED" to stereotype white people, but I came to the realization that not all white people are alike just like not all black people or hispanic people are alike. As I stated on another topic there is good and bad in all races (THIS IS JMHO)

Btw danacara this is not an attack on you I was speaking in general about people who tend to stereotype nonwhite's. Crime doesn't have a color. It's the person who chose to do the crime which does not classify the whole race as some people chose to do.

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

BTW, this is definitely not an attack on you Bob O. As I said I was just curious.

 

[SonjaB]

Isn't hate involved in every violent crime? Whether it's hate of race, sex, privilege, education, authority, law, humanity, whatever......there's always hate. I don't know why some crimes are widely reported and some aren't. I don't know if it's PC or pragmatism, although I suspect anything that sells papers gets reported, PC or not.

 

[janette]

Originally posted by PRINCESS Ariel34
It's just like the James Byrd case and the shooting of innocent muslims when 9/11 happened. There wasn't much media coverage on the death's of these people. Non of them deserved to die. We weren't shocked at who did it. Nor were we shocked at why they did it, because we know who has the worst history when it comes to violence and intolerance of other races.

It maybe just a regional thing but the James Byrd case was very much in the news here for a long time. I'm in Texas though so it was closer to home. James was killed for no other reason than the color of his skin and in a most horrific manner. This case and the Matthew Shepard case in Wyoming are the ones that make me wonder whether we need hate crimes legislation but I don't know that it would make a difference. Murder is murder no matter the reason.

There was a local case where a convenience store clerk was killed shortly after 9/11. He was Indian and wore a turban, the shooter thought he was Muslim. There wasn't a large coverage of this but I did hear when the case went to trial and the conviction. Often here a convenience store clerk being killed barely warrants a couple of lines on the news so it did get more coverage than most similiar crimes but I don't know that it got national coverage.

The story linked IMO doesn't fit a hate crime. It was horrific but sadly living in a large metro area we see stories like this too often. The victims are from all backgrounds as are the killers. Race has little to do with it.

 

[snowwhitemom]

Well Bob, I am sad to say that I think I know why it is not getting the same coverage and that is a sad sad thing. I am one who belives that all crimes are hate crimes......I can't think of any murders that are done out of love. to the families of the loved one I am sure it doesn't really matter why their loved one was killed , just the fact that they were, it really doesn't matter if it was over cash, race,sex or nationality...the sad truth is that someone dies and we try to take the motive and decide if it was a "hate" crime or not but it does not help the families at all...enough said I could go on forever.

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

Originally posted by SonjaH
Isn't hate involved in every violent crime? Whether it's hate of race, sex, privilege, education, authority, law, humanity, whatever......there's always hate. I don't know why some crimes are widely reported and some aren't. I don't know if it's PC or pragmatism, although I suspect anything that sells papers gets reported, PC or not.

I agree Sonja, hate is involved in every violent crime.Whether it being a crime on any person in any race, gays, women ect.... I have always felt that hate does not chose people, but it is the people who chose to hate. My point is, people should not label, generalize or stereotype a race based on the stupid choices other people make.

 

[DocRafiki]

My point is, people should not label, generalize or stereotype a race based on the stupid choices other people make

Where on this thread do you think this happened?!

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

Originally posted by Bob O
Of course its PC!!! If the tables were turned and some white people did this too some black people all the media would be their and the dregs of society like sharpton/jackson/farrahkan would be there getting major face tme on national tv with the major medai asking us"What does this say about America"
Double standards are alive and well in the PC world of the media!!!

Death is death which is not a comfort to anyone who loses their son, daughter,mother or father. Why is that you find these men to be"dregs of society" when they only ask to be treated equal as you and other people are. Whats so wrong with that. BTW, I do agree that it should have been televised on the news.
I never heard of this story , and I look at news everyday.

 

[PRINCESS Ariel34]

Originally posted by DocRafiki
Where on this thread do you think this happened?!

I don't know what your reading into this, but I was speaking in "General" about crime and stereotyping.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

Any time two guys are on trial because they put 5 people on their knees and shot them in the head execution style after sexually assaulting a couple of them and it does NOT make the news.... something is WAY WAY wrong.
I don't care what color they are under any normal circumstances that would be completely newsworthy. The tittilation factor alone would make sure it drew headlines. There has to be a reason the news media is avoiding it and P.C. seems to make as much sense as anything.

(please note that on October 7th 2002 at 9:45 PM webmasteralex agreed with Bobo)

 

[browneyes]

Was this case on tv at some time? America's Most Wanted or something? It sounds familiar and I don't live anywhere near Kansas.

 

[zurgswife]

I think it's just sad