Why is everyone so upset?

[ShayBells]

Oh by the way, dramatic is your buzz word in this post. LOL

I like to
Change things up a bit. No one on here knows how to argue. Y'all just agree way to much

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[ShayBells]

The majority are the same people you see at the big box stores obstinately trying to use the self checkout lanes who can't seem to scan a simple bar code or follow the directions on the screen. Wait until a couple hundred of them are in front of you at the park entrance trying to hold their magic band up to the Mickey Orb correctly.

I've been dealing with this for years+ or am I the only one the stupid finger print thing doesn't work for? Or my KTTW card for that matter when you had to feed the machine lol. Let's face it. Nothing works, ever.

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[OtherScott]

We do know that 2000 people a day log into Disneys dining reservation system and book up be our guest restaurant 180 days before traveling. That is 60,000 a month and 720,000 a year. There are other restaurants in wdw that get booked months in advance nearly everyday. So number is substantial.

We also know 10,000 a day know to get to DHS to grab a fastpass for TSMM before 11:30 am. That is 300,000 a month a 3.6 million a year. That is a lot of savvy users.

Once these fastpasses are available online to everyone, the number of fastpasses will only go up. The savvy 10,000 in addition to the rope who know about the system but refuse to get up and participate in the rush.

This is why there are so any vocal people saying that they welcome the change. They will finally be able to grab those fastpasses along with the determined 10000. Competition could be fierce. And it doesn't take that many people to eat up the fastpasses and drive the system to 60 days out.

It also stands to reason that once someone logs in to get soarin at 30 days out they will go ahead and book the illuminations and a meet and greet. So those will get booked early as riders.

2,000 is a big number, even moreso if you double it to include those who tried but couldnt get rez. But it's still only about 10% (avg) of total MK guests.

And yes, TSM is a problem that isn't fixed with FP+. It will still use up all existing FPs every single day. But some of the 10K waiting at RD would rather be having a second cup of coffee at RD, so they'll just change teams.

TSM, Soarin and TT are a few where FPs being spread across a wider swath of guests will probably decrease the amount of hours that standby times are at peak.

 

[mom2rtk]

And yes, TSM is a problem that isn't fixed with FP+. It will still use up all existing FPs every single day.

Yet it's the example given by most of the FP+ supporters.

TSM, Soarin and TT are a few where FPs being spread across a wider swath of guests will probably decrease the amount of hours that standby times are at peak.

I'm not sure I follow.

 

[AmyB2006]

And yes, TSM is a problem that isn't fixed with FP+. It will still use up all existing FPs every single day.

It will use them all up still, but it will be spread across a wider berth of visitors, therefore giving more guests the opportunity to experience it. JMO I don't know, but I think this is one of Disney's goals with FP+. I could be wrong.

 

[mom2rtk]

It will use them all up still, but it will be spread across a wider berth of visitors, therefore giving more guests the opportunity to experience it. JMO I don't know, but I think this is one of Disney's goals with FP+. I could be wrong.

Because "first come, first served" is such an outdated concept I suppose.

 

[rebbyparker]

As far as I can tell, they've just moved the FP's around. Instead of RD'ers getting 4-5 FP's, now they may get 1-2 and the non RD'ers will get one. Hopefully, this will out work out well, but if October was anything to go by, with the increased crowds, then December is going to be a little chaotic. It always was because of the crowd level, but this may add to it. But, after all, it's Christmas at Disney.

 

[mikek]

Because "first come, first served" is such an outdated concept I suppose.

i dont think it's so outdated, but there's all sorts of people in the world and not everyone likes to get up at ~7am on vacation. So i guess it gives those folks a chance at something. (disclaimer, my family fits in that group and so it annoys us that we'd have to vacation a different way than we want just to ride TSMM)

I think basically Disney is riding a tightrope with almost every decision. They'll never make everyone happy. They're just trying to make the most happy with the least unhappy i suppose.

One great example- see the thread about fantasmic FP's. There's one end of the spectrum that thinks that the "right thing" is to reserve the best seats for FP+, there's another faction that isn't happy that if they dont get a FP+ then they would be relegated to the worst seats. I think both are valid points. Seems disney's "compromise" is to guarantee entrance with to the show with FP+ but not necessarily a good seat. I'm not sure how else they can do it without really pissing off one of the two opposite factions- and for good reason. If I waited 2 hours to get in and then immediately got shunted to the sides while the middle was empty i'd be annoyed. (In that example, I think i'd rather they give the best seats to FP+ becasue - as honestly- i figured out that system so it would benefit me- but i feel like it's a fair compromise to just ensure admittance)

They probably have these sorts of dilemmas with every choice. Give more people FP for space mountain or keep the standby line under 3 hours as an example.

 

[mikek]

As far as I can tell, they've just moved the FP's around. Instead of RD'ers getting 4-5 FP's, now they may get 1-2 and the non RD'ers will get one. ...

not sure what the ratios will be but the logic i see posted seems to point to you hitting the nail on the head

One thing though is I do like they add a bunch more to FP- even if they aren't E-Tickets. We tend to go for then the 4-5 days our friends seem to enjoy. And frequently now that my kids are older we have to hit the busier times when everyone else is off too. While we always want to hit the triple mountain whammy at MK, sometimes we would just like to get on small world or haunted mansion without waiting an hour.

We've got a longer trip coming up over the holidays and while i triple mountained the first day at MK, the following days there I just did 1 mountain and 2 others. I think we'll get enough E-tickets in but my wife will get to ride her favorite, Small World, without any hastle. I think that will be a nice change. We'll be happy but someone else will get a FP+ for space mounain that day and be happy too.

Basically if the parks have enough to do it can be a win win (I'm looking at you Epcot and HS...)

 

[AmyB2006]

Because "first come, first served" is such an outdated concept I suppose.

No that's not what I said. But I am sensing your sarcasm. I do think it's irrelevant here, though. It's been my assumptions all along that Disney is trying to spread these FPs out over a wider audience. They haven't let me down yet in that thinking.

 

[Colleen27]

i dont think it's so outdated, but there's all sorts of people in the world and not everyone likes to get up at ~7am on vacation. So i guess it gives those folks a chance at something. (disclaimer, my family fits in that group and so it annoys us that we'd have to vacation a different way than we want just to ride TSMM)

But you still have to do that because with a tiered system you can only FP one headliner per day. So if you want to ride Soarin' and Test Track your choices are to be there at rope drop to ride one before the line gets long, to spend two days at Epcot and ride one each day, or to wait in the hour+ standby line for the one you don't have a FP for. Apply that same system to Magic Kingdom and you're looking at a couple hours in line just to ride each mountain once. Isn't that still a powerful incentive to get to the parks for the low-crowd first hour of the day? So instead of having to be at RD in one park (Studios, for TSM) and late morning being good enough for the other three, now RD is essential across the board.

 

[ArwenMarie]

But you still have to do that because with a tiered system you can only FP one headliner per day. So if you want to ride Soarin' and Test Track your choices are to be there at rope drop to ride one before the line gets long, to spend two days at Epcot and ride one each day, or to wait in the hour+ standby line for the one you don't have a FP for. Apply that same system to Magic Kingdom and you're looking at a couple hours in line just to ride each mountain once. Isn't that still a powerful incentive to get to the parks for the low-crowd first hour of the day? So instead of having to be at RD in one park (Studios, for TSM) and late morning being good enough for the other three, now RD is essential across the board.

I dont think they are thinking in days anymore...I think they are thinking in weeks...

I think they figure that over a week's vacation, you'll get to ride all the headliners once, even without rope drop. Roughly speaking, spend 2 days at Epcot, 1 day AK, 1 day DHS, 3 days MK. Something like that.

 

[lauradis]

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Change things up a bit. No one on here knows how to argue. Y'all just agree way to much

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Amen to that one it the whole getting points thing.

Trust me I know how to argue no it not, yes it is, it all about the rides, it about the whole experience and memories, Disney is to expensive, it can be cheaper, onsite only, offsite is better, free dinning is free, free dinning is worst thing that happen to Disney, fp+ is going to ruin Disney, I can sleep in and go on tssm

Omg there is tons of Disney related bickering on the disboard

 

[mikek]

But you still have to do that because with a tiered system you can only FP one headliner per day. So if you want to ride Soarin' and Test Track your choices are to be there at rope drop to ride one before the line gets long, to spend two days at Epcot and ride one each day, or to wait in the hour+ standby line for the one you don't have a FP for. Apply that same system to Magic Kingdom and you're looking at a couple hours in line just to ride each mountain once. Isn't that still a powerful incentive to get to the parks for the low-crowd first hour of the day? So instead of having to be at RD in one park (Studios, for TSM) and late morning being good enough for the other three, now RD is essential across the board.

nope- your not going to get me up early on my vacation- lol.

It's just not our thing- but hey, to each his/her own...

We've been tens of times. I think measured in 100's of days at this point. With kids from a couple months old to teenagers, and before we even had kids. We've been to DL and MK multiple times over Christmas break. Literally ONCE did we get up for rope drop. It was so long ago it may have even been before FP existed.

We're just very fortunate and we (even my kids as toddlers) always knew we'd get back another day or if not this trip on our next trip. So we basically get up, slack around the hotel for breakfast, shower everyone and then wonder over to the parks. Get whatever FP we can get and so be it.

An "early day" literally means we can get to MK early enough to get breakfast and they aren't already serving lunch. About half the time we try for that we get there and by the time we get down main street it's too late and we are stuck with lunch fare.

We WILL and regularly do stay at MK for the late nights tille 12,1,2. We're just not morning folks.

We regularly dont get to do TSSM. We rarely get to do TT and Soaring on the same day.

Because of late nights at MK we regularly do get the 'triple mountain whammy' and try to see how many times we can get it. I think the 'triple, triple' is the best we've done. Frequently we've gotten 4,5,6 times on splash or thunder mountain but it's tough to run back over to Space and chris cross the park more than 3 times in a day.

So on one hand I'm into FP+ as I can now get on TSSM for the 3rd time in our life, and hopefully once each trip going forward. I also like being assured we'll nail 3 rides we really want each day. But I'm kinda bummed that we wont be able to get piles FP- in MK to get a good head start on a double or triple triple.

 

[luvthemouse71]

nope- your not going to get me up early on my vacation- lol. It's just not our thing- but hey, to each his/her own... We've been tens of times. I think measured in 100's of days at this point. With kids from a couple months old to teenagers, and before we even had kids. We've been to DL and MK multiple times over Christmas break. Literally ONCE did we get up for rope drop. It was so long ago it may have even been before FP existed. We're just very fortunate and we (even my kids as toddlers) always knew we'd get back another day or if not this trip on our next trip. So we basically get up, slack around the hotel for breakfast, shower everyone and then wonder over to the parks. Get whatever FP we can get and so be it. An "early day" literally means we can get to MK early enough to get breakfast and they aren't already serving lunch. About half the time we try for that we get there and by the time we get down main street it's too late and we are stuck with lunch fare. We WILL and regularly do stay at MK for the late nights tille 12,1,2. We're just not morning folks. We regularly dont get to do TSSM. We rarely get to do TT and Soaring on the same day. Because of late nights at MK we regularly do get the 'triple mountain whammy' and try to see how many times we can get it. I think the 'triple, triple' is the best we've done. Frequently we've gotten 4,5,6 times on splash or thunder mountain but it's tough to run back over to Space and chris cross the park more than 3 times in a day. So on one hand I'm into FP+ as I can now get on TSSM for the 3rd time in our life, and hopefully once each trip going forward. I also like being assured we'll nail 3 rides we really want each day. But I'm kinda bummed that we wont be able to get piles FP- in MK to get a good head start on a double or triple triple.

We aren't morning people either. All my FP+ are for the afternoon . So I'll be able to roll out of bed at 10:30-11:00 if i want to.. This will be luxury , as I get up at 5:30 am for work every day ..

 

[ShayBells]

We aren't morning people either. All my FP+ are for the afternoon . So I'll be able to roll out of bed at 10:30-11:00 if i want to.. This will be luxury , as I get up at 5:30 am for work every day ..

I'm a morning person so I don't mind rope drop. But for me it eliminates walking all over the place just to claim FPs. I never used it unless I was right by one because I thought it wasted time and energy just to save a couple minutes in line. JMO.

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[bcrook]

I'm a morning person so I don't mind rope drop. But for me it eliminates walking all over the place just to claim FPs. I never used it unless I was right by one because I thought it wasted time and energy just to save a couple minutes in line. JMO.

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My biggest regret about FP+ is Disney could have created their online system to mirror the current system but allow people to book their FP via their phone or kiosk when they got to the park. Same rules would apply but people wouldn't have to run all over getting fastpasses, and you could select a time that works for you. That would have been a true plus.

But they chose to hi-jack the system to manipulate crowd behavior.

 

[Minniesgal]

My biggest regret about FP+ is Disney could have created their online system to mirror the current system but allow people to book their FP via their phone or kiosk when they got to the park. Same rules would apply but people wouldn't have to run all over getting fastpasses, and you could select a time that works for you. That would have been a true plus. But they chose to hi-jack the system to manipulate crowd behavior.

I love the idea of being able to pre book FP so that we can book them for the afternoon and just tour without at rope drop when the parks are quiet. I think it could potentially be a much more workable system.

 

[mgrayar]

I love the idea of being able to pre book FP so that we can book them for the afternoon and just tour without at rope drop when the parks are quiet. I think it could potentially be a much more workable system.

I feel like were are such the minority, but I couldn't agree more. I arrive Saturday on the tail end of Thanksgiving. I won't get to HS until 3:00, but I still know for certain due to FP+ that we will ride TSMM, RR, TT and see Fantasmic + Osborn Lights. I'm not stressed at all, even though the park will be packed and I'm getting there late.

I also think that FP+ will save me much aggregation that can be created from a sleepy 6 yr old. If we feel she needs more sleep, we can adjust and let her sleep in, still knowing we have 3 FP's waiting on us when we arrive.

I think it will better my family's experience. It will definitely not impact all guest in this positive way, but I truly feel I'm more of the typical tourer than the average DISer. That's not a bad thing, just different.