Why Don't We Have More Refineries?

DawnCt1 said:
Some may have been counting on it but it was crushed.

They dropped it from the budget bill to be re-addressed. It's not dead, just on ice for a few months, right? I'm sure the Republicans don't give a hoot about the environment in Alaska. Or, have the oil companies lost interest for a time? Hmm. It makes me wonder what's really going on.
 
momof2inPA said:
And gas prices were low during the Clinton administration--

Huh? :confused3

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V116/N22/clinton.22w.html ( This was in 1996 )

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/06/16/clinton.oil/ ( 2000 )

Gas prices were a problem during Clinton years also. How many oil refinerys did he get built? It has been a issue for a long time, so it is not just a republican problem. Both side get money from the oil big wigs. Until that stops nothing will change.
 
The oil companies are not thrilled with the idea of building these refineries from what I understand. It's going to cost them a bundle even if they manage to get many of the environmental restrictions lifted. It'll be much harder to rake in the record profits and that alone will cause problems.

Personally, I think that nuclear power needs to come back. It could take over much of the load of energy generation and leave a more plentiful supply of oil for the gas guzzlers. Of course, someone will have to figure what to do with nuclear waste but that's been another ongoing problem that everyone refuses to address.
 
Planogirl said:
Personally, I think that nuclear power needs to come back. It could take over much of the load of energy generation and leave a more plentiful supply of oil for the gas guzzlers. Of course, someone will have to figure what to do with nuclear waste but that's been another ongoing problem that everyone refuses to address.
Please, no. Would you want a nuclear power plant in your backyard?

Anyone who favours nuclear power should watch the documentary Chernobyl Heart. :(

We have a long way to go before nuclear power is a safe option.
 

momof2inPA said:
The Republicans are propping up oil prices for their buddies. That's why we have no more refineries.

That doesn't make any sense unless you believe the Republicans:

1) have finally figured a way to outsmart the environmentalists.

2) the only ones that have energy holdings in their portfolios.
 
Holly said:
Please, no. Would you want a nuclear power plant in your backyard?

Anyone who favours nuclear power should watch the documentary Chernobyl Heart. :(

We have a long way to go before nuclear power is a safe option.
Chernobyl was poorly constructed and poorly run. The event itself was a comedy of errors that never should have happened and it's still amazing that it got so out of control.

Nuclear power is really our only sane alternative. Sure it needs to be well-managed and the plants need to be built in isolated areas but it's a clean energy and it's low cost once the plants are in place. That is, except for the stupid waste. :confused3

JMHO
 
Planogirl said:
Chernobyl was poorly constructed and poorly run. The event itself was a comedy of errors that never should have happened and it's still amazing that it got so out of control.

Nuclear power is really our only sane alternative. Sure it needs to be well-managed and the plants need to be built in isolated areas but it's a clean energy and it's low cost once the plants are in place. That is, except for the stupid waste. :confused3

JMHO
I live very close to the Millstone nuclear plant in Connecticut, and that is a poorly run and unsafe power plant. My point is that we should not build more if we cannot keep the ones we have now working properly and safely.

I wish it were a more viable source, because we definitely need something.
 
I'd be curious to know if the taxes (federal and state) on gas are fixed or a percentage. If they are a percentage, I wonder what the government is doing with all that extra money? Because if the price of gas went up 50 percent, so did their revenues from gas taxes.
 
Holly said:
I live very close to the Millstone nuclear plant in Connecticut, and that is a poorly run and unsafe power plant. My point is that we should not build more if we cannot keep the ones we have now working properly and safely.

I wish it were a more viable source, because we definitely need something.


Even though I protested nuclear power in the 70's and still am not thrilled, we may have reached a point where it just might be a part of the solution to our energy problems. But, do I trust the private energy industry to police itself? Hell no. Unless federal inspectors were breathing down their necks, I would be very nervous. Actually, any non fossil fuel energy source, if widely implemented, sure would take some of the burden off.
 
This may not have a lot to do with the original content of this post but I thought you may find it interesting. Just a few thoughts...
I'm from the town in Northwestern PA where oil was discovered in 1859 by Col. Edwin L. Drake. Before that, the Native Americans in the area used to scrap the oil from the surface of the creeks and use it in various ways.
The oil industry was born here in PA. Over the years the industry grew and sustained the area. Many homes and fortunes were built here. As time passed, oil became big business in so many other places. Finally, the refinery that was located here, just a few miles away, was closed and jobs, etc. were moved to Texas and other places. (I'm not sure about all the details, just things that were heard here and there at the time.) The refinery was sold to another related industry, which finally closed it, after what appeared to be a struggle to stay open. Everything was torn down, removed, etc. (This within the last few years.) The only things left are a few storage tanks and a warehouse. Now we get news that a bio-diesel plant will open there, providing a fraction of the jobs that originally existed when the oil industry thrived there. It has been sad to watch the area die as the oil industry left the area.
It is even more frustrating to think this refinery could have been saved and reopened. Here is a link to the Drake Well site, which also has additional links about the oil industry. One interesting thing to note.. this area now tries to educate and entertain using the oil history in this area. There are museums, parks, trails, etc. The area has been designated The Oil Heritage Region and promotion of tourism is one of the hopes for reviving the economy in the area.
One of the mottos that promotes the area... "The valley that changed the world."
Drake Well Site
I have also added some recent photos taken in Oil Creek State Park at Wildcat Hollow. Some remnants of a time gone by.
Smiles,
Diane =0)
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If it hasn't been said already because of the NIMBYS and the treehuggers.
 
One of President Bush's plans is to build refinaries on US military bases no longer in use. Then the NIMBYs and the Tree Huggers should have lesser control over the construction of them.
 
momof2inPA said:
I know the popular sentiment is that environmentalists are to blame, but in reality, environmentalists have had no power since control of Congress and the Presidency was in the hands of the Republicans. We obviously should process more oil, so the price goes down, and our refineries are supposed to be operating at full capacity, so why not build more where we already have some? With fuel prices as they are, the populace would support it.

One of the problems is probably that it's more logistically practical to have them in Asia, where all the by-products are used to make plastic and crap for mainly U.S. consumption. If we increased refinery capacity here and had the by-products in the U.S., then we might "heaven forbid" use them to manufacture things in our own country.

If the oil companies aren't willing to build a refinery, the U.S. should build a few, run them, and provide cheaper fuel to compete with the Exxon/Mobil suits who are reaping the windfall profits off of our backs to build their McMansions and buy their yachts.

I disagree. Even with more refineries, oil will still be a finite resource. I think serious money needs to be spent on alternative energy research instead of new refineries. Maybe now that the price is going up, interest in other types of energy will increase. It could be a silver lining in the cloud of high gas prices.
 
geogina... you practically took the words right out of my mouth (or off of my finger tips in this case LOL)

IMHO
2 short term alternate fuels are bio diesel and ethanol. it would take fairly minor adjustments to current car design/manufacturing to provide affordable automobiles that run on either. Origionally I was more in favor of developing more electric hybrids. However from what I have read, there is a problem with the batteries... IE short life, expensive to replace, hard to dispose of.
 
If they can make gas out of corn on The Amazing Race in Brazil and use that gas to drive their car, why are we not doing that here?
 
Jabber_Jaws said:
Huh? :confused3

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V116/N22/clinton.22w.html ( This was in 1996 )

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/06/16/clinton.oil/ ( 2000 )

Gas prices were a problem during Clinton years also. How many oil refinerys did he get built? It has been a issue for a long time, so it is not just a republican problem. Both side get money from the oil big wigs. Until that stops nothing will change.

In those links, gas prices were averaging $1.29 in '96 and $1.50 in '00 (wow, was that only six years ago), definitely low by comparison. Actually, adjusted for inflation, gas prices during the Clinton administration were the lowest in recorded history. Google it if you don't believe me.
 
georgina said:
I disagree. Even with more refineries, oil will still be a finite resource. I think serious money needs to be spent on alternative energy research instead of new refineries. Maybe now that the price is going up, interest in other types of energy will increase. It could be a silver lining in the cloud of high gas prices.

Money needs to be spent on both- refineries in the short term, research for our long term prospects.
 
Charade said:
That doesn't make any sense unless you believe the Republicans:

1) have finally figured a way to outsmart the environmentalists.

2) the only ones that have energy holdings in their portfolios.

1) Republicans aren't all dumb, they just play dumb when it serves their purposes. GW taught me that.

2) The people getting rich are the oil execs, who have close Republican ties.

3) I think you're playing dumb (refer to #1).
 
DawnCt1 said:
One of President Bush's plans is to build refinaries on US military bases no longer in use. Then the NIMBYs and the Tree Huggers should have lesser control over the construction of them.

His "plan?" What is he waiting for-- 2008?
 


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