why does the lefty media support terror?

[Charade]

Proof of these allegations, louie?

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I know for a fact that Israeli's response was criticized in the media as "disproportionate".

 

[nightowlky]

There is no "leftist" mentality in American politics. "Leftist" would be someone like Hugo Chavez or Morales down in Bolivia. The Democratic Party is very centrist as long as it's largely controlled by the DLC. Dean is a Progressive liberal but HARDLY a leftist.

Your abuse of political terms is merely bleating the right-wing memes of the last 20+ years.

 

[nightowlky]

I know for a fact that Israeli's response was criticized in the media as "disproportionate".

And that somehow makes the media "leftist"?

Care to explain how killing hundreds of innocents over two kidnapped soldiers and using cluster bombs in the process is somehow proportionate?

 

[JennyMominRI]

There is no "leftist" mentality in American politics. "Leftist" would be someone like Hugo Chavez or Morales down in Bolivia. The Democratic Party is very centrist as long as it's largely controlled by the DLC. Dean is a Progressive liberal but HARDLY a leftist.

Your abuse of political terms is merely bleating the right-wing memes of the last 20+ years.

And the US left is way to the right of the left in Europe. Did that make sense? The left here would be the center in places like the UK

 

[Galahad]

There is no "leftist" mentality in American politics. "Leftist" would be someone like Hugo Chavez or Morales down in Bolivia. The Democratic Party is very centrist as long as it's largely controlled by the DLC. Dean is a Progressive liberal but HARDLY a leftist.

Your abuse of political terms is merely bleating the right-wing memes of the last 20+ years.

I think you're largely right. Do you share the same benign position with respect to the Republican Party?

 

[nightowlky]

I think you're largely right. Do you share the same benign position with respoect to the Republican Party?

Not really. It's the co-opting of the GOP by the neoconservatives that have pushed the Republican Party further and further to the right. There's darn near a McCarthyesque mentality to the push toward restoring oppressive social conservative policies on Americans. The ever-increasing love of war to effect foreign policy coupled with the increasing socially conservative bent has pushed traditional conservatives like myself away from the Republican party and seeking other candidates that match our opinions and beliefs in how America should be run.

 

[MickeyMouseGal]

Nevermind.. refuse to stoop.

 

[nightowlky]

So, 'Freeper' isn't an abuse of political terms.

Not when it accurately describes the opinions/ideals of the person being discussed.

 

[MickeyMouseGal]

Oh, for goodness sakes.

 

[nightowlky]

Considering the poster in question exhibits the mentality of the typical FreeRepublic poster, I don't see why you're so upset.

 

[Holly]

Those are legitmate questions and in predictable fashion the left attempts to laugh it off instead of addressing the issues.

Awww, you aren't a liberal, Charade?

My night is ruined.

 

[MickeyMouseGal]

**oops, double post**

Upset? Who said I was upset?

 

[Holly]

Oh, for goodness sakes.

If you post that one more time in this thread you might be lucky.

Three = good luck.

 

[nightowlky]

If you post that one more time in this thread you might be lucky.

Three = good luck.

heh

But, follows the procedures for "catapaulting the propaganda".

 

[MickeyMouseGal]

My bad. My computer is flipping out tonight.

 

[Kendra17]

Not really. It's the co-opting of the GOP by the neoconservatives that have pushed the Republican Party further and further to the right. There's darn near a McCarthyesque mentality to the push toward restoring oppressive social conservative policies on Americans. The ever-increasing love of war to effect foreign policy coupled with the increasing socially conservative bent has pushed traditional conservatives like myself away from the Republican party and seeking other candidates that match our opinions and beliefs in how America should be run.

How is defending our country love of war? This obscene slander accusing our own country or Israel of warmongering in defense of their own lands is repulsive, yet fully typical of the absurd out-of-touch conspiracy oriented so-called memes of the democratic uber-left in the United States. Why do you not criticize hamas or hezbollah for using civilians as human shields? Your criticism is typical of the left who believe that any use of force is "disproportionate" no matter the cause. it appears that the left, unbelievably anti-war and protective of the "rights of islamists and terrorists" in the legal system at home and abroad, believes that the united states is wrong. it doesn't matter the issue, or the discussion, the United States is wrong. Think about, just for a moment, if you possibly can, what would have been the response if the recent let's-destroy-10-American-planes-and-kill-thousands plot had not been stopped!!

What might the response have been?

Do you think the response might have been disproportionate? Do you think we would bomb Tehran if we found a link to them in the recent attack? Oof course we would and be fully justified.

As a sovereign state we have a right to self-defense. So does Israel. but the left believes that use of state power, specifically military power, is just wrong. Hey, civilians are being killed! Hey, cluster bombs are being used! Hey, civilian areas are being targeted!!

Guess what? War is a horrible thing. But it is a truth and a reality that even the left cannot escape. We are at war, despite any arguments or discussions you care to have on the matter.

We have a right, and the government has a responsibility to defend the nation. My opinion is that the US government has not done near enough. if there is another attack... you will then see the meaning of "disproportion" writ large for all to see.

There is no peace until these killers are vanquished. Then there will be peace. There is no peace in Israel and Lebanon, it is just a pause until the next battle. Wars end in victory or defeat. Study history. You'll see.

 

[nightowlky]

Typical. More conflating of the Sept. 11 attacks with the war in Iraq. The two are NOT related.

I certainly agree this country has the right to defend itself and it was right to go after Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan (although using the Northern Alliance as a proxy to wage that war was a huge mistake).

However, Iraq was in no way, shape, or form a threat to the US. Saddam couldn't have lobbed a dirt clod at anyone. As Gen. Zinni stated, Saddam was contained.

So, if you want "these killers" captured, I highly recommend you adjust your rhetoric and work to get this country OUT of Iraq and focusing on what will root out terrorism (and a hint: dropping bombs won't do it).



BTW, *if* there is another attack, are you going to blame that on Clinton, too? If this "war on terror" is "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here", then why would be at risk to an attack here? Hmmm...I don't suppose that thought ever entered your head, eh?

 

[Holly]

why is an israeli response to attacks considered "aggression" rather than a "response"? Well, that depends on who you ask. I found both sides to be overly aggressive.

why are hezbollah criminals and killers referred to as "fighters" rather than as terrorists fully funded and armed by iran? They are fighters. They are a legal, recognized political party and resistance group in that part of the world. As a matter of fact, Hezbollah is only considered to be a terrorist group by the USA and Israel.

why was israel's attempt to gain victory in battle described as "disproportionate"? You'll have to ask someone else, because I don't necessarily hold that opinion.


why was israel condemned for bombing hezbollah strongholds and launch sites that were placed in civilian areas and hezbollah was not condemned for using civilians as human shields? They were. Where the heck were you, Louie?


why is iran allowed to thumb its nose at the international community, the us and the un? why are they allowed to continue to develop nuclear weapons when they have already stated their intention to use them against israel and the west? another poster mentioned august 22nd. this was the day that iran "responded" to un, us, and eu demands to stop nuclear weapons development. their response was, "we will not stop". Iran will do whatever it wishes and we will do nothing, and they know it. Ahmadinejad must have been laughing when we threatened Kim Jong of N. Korea with "dire consequences" if he shot off his missiles and then didn't do anything aside from some half-hearted complaining after he did. Why are you proposing these questions to Liberals as if this is our fault? You are the ones in charge.


why hasn't the us and europe developed alternative fuels and energy sources so that we can reduce to zero our need for arab oil? Because, Louie, Exxon and Citgo pay for Senator Smith's and Lobbyist Reynolds's vacation homes in Fiji.

why is the hateful anti-american, anti-western, anti-jewish propaganda that is taught to muslims in muslim countries from birth not roundly criticised? how can we make peace with people who are taught to hate and kill from an early age? You don't possess a sound understanding of Islam. Islam has no collective governing body like the Vatican, but many tiny factions. Some groups do teach hatred, but most do not.

 

[Holly]

My bad. My computer is flipping out tonight.

 

[Holly]

How is defending our country love of war? This obscene slander accusing our own country or Israel of warmongering in defense of their own lands is repulsive, yet fully typical of the absurd out-of-touch conspiracy oriented so-called memes of the democratic uber-left in the United States. Why do you not criticize hamas or hezbollah for using civilians as human shields? Your criticism is typical of the left who believe that any use of force is "disproportionate" no matter the cause. it appears that the left, unbelievably anti-war and protective of the "rights of islamists and terrorists" in the legal system at home and abroad, believes that the united states is wrong. it doesn't matter the issue, or the discussion, the United States is wrong. Think about, just for a moment, if you possibly can, what would have been the response if the recent let's-destroy-10-American-planes-and-kill-thousands plot had not been stopped!!

You are oversimplifying things, Kendra.

Do you think the response might have been disproportionate? Do you think we would bomb Tehran if we found a link to them in the recent attack? Of course we would and be fully justified.

Of course we would have! Just like we went in and bombed the Saudis after we linked them to 9/11.

As a sovereign state we have a right to self-defense. So does Israel. but the left believes that use of state power, specifically military power, is just wrong. Hey, civilians are being killed! Hey, cluster bombs are being used! Hey, civilian areas are being targeted!!

Guess what? War is a horrible thing. But it is a truth and a reality that even the left cannot escape. We are at war, despite any arguments or discussions you care to have on the matter.

I think that's something we can all agree on.

We have a right, and the government has a responsibility to defend the nation. My opinion is that the US government has not done near enough. if there is another attack... you will then see the meaning of "disproportion" writ large for all to see.