Why does John McCain hate America?

[PatsMom]

Am I the only one who thinks this shows bad judgement? PR move or not, McCain was being tortured, probably daily, and he did not leave when he had the chance. I have never understood that.

Then you don't understand the military code of conduct. It is only six articles but it is pretty clear. Article 3 states that "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy." His refusal to leave was honoring the code - all US servicemen and women are bound by the code. I think he showed excellent judgment and character by meeting his obligations.

 

[wvrevy]

Then you don't understand the military code of conduct. It is only six articles but it is pretty clear. Article 3 states that "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy." His refusal to leave was honoring the code - all US servicemen and women are bound by the code. I think he showed excellent judgment and character by meeting his obligations.

Wholeheartedly agreed! (And that from someone that hopes he loses in a Mondale-esque fashion. )

McCain has MANY things that he can be attacked on - his flip-flops on things like the torture bill and his cuddling up to the extreme right wing, to name just two - but his service record is strictly above reproach. The good thing is, the Dems won't be putting forth a candidate that would stand and watch as an honorable service record is torn to shreds.

 

[charlie,nj]

Do you think there will be riots at the Democratic National Convention?

(I’m not talking 1968)



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[keishashadow]

You mean the same "Mrs. O" that is quoted in her husband's book from two years ago talking about how glad she is to be coming back to America after a trip to Kenya, and saying that she didn't realize "just how American I am"? That Mrs. O? (Translated: Can we please get past the parsing of words and taking things out of context and deal with, you know, actual stuff?)



She's gonna have fun trying to sell Super Delegates on the idea of throwing away a sizable Obama lead "just 'cause I'm good enough, i'm smart enough, and doggone it, some people like me (although less than like Senator Obama)."



As for Florida and Michigan...there's nothing to decide. The rules are the rules. Period.

A) saying just how American you are could surely be construed to be either a compliment or detriment coming from Mrs. O after she stated she was finally proud to be an American

B) Ms Clinton won't have to do any selling of the superdelegates...she's got people politicians change their stance whichever way the wind is blowing (most have to answer to constiuents).

C) Actually, there is a lot to be decided as to the future status of the votes. Could count them "as is"; have another vote or wait until August when they'll all be together to hash it out. Chairman Dean eloquently explained it on The Today show...all is up in the air...sounds as though they're going to drag it out until the bitter end.

 

[Mr Man]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/03/images/20080305-4_p030508cg-0535-1-515h.jpg

Where is his flag lapel pin? It's an outrage. It's a scandal. It's emboldening the terrorists. It borders on treason that a candidate for leader of the free world would not wear his flag pin. I.... I..... I just can't speak any more I'm so upset. I'm calling Jack Kingston immediately.

The flag is over his heart, where it has always been........

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/mccain.asp

Just ask Mike Christian about it.



pretty funny thread though......especially the part about the "New Orleans Hater"...... what is up with that?

 

[wvrevy]

pretty funny thread though......especially the part about the "New Orleans Hater"...... what is up with that?

Hagee said that Katrina was god's punishment for New Orleans heathen ways.

 

[Mr Man]

Hagee said that Katrina was god's punishment for New Orleans heathen ways.

Oh.......gotcha. It just seemed an odd combination.


as in, "I condemn non-fat lattes, people of Icelandic descent and Grand Rapids Michigan"......

(warning: satire in post)

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

John McCain used to be a leader. Since 2004, he's become a follower. As evidence, look no further than his vote not to ban waterboarding, a practice he used to call barbaric. Why would he flip flop and vote like that? Because he just happened to be running for president at the time.

or because as he explained it was the portion of the legilsation regarding the enforcement of inter-agency rules that bothered him. He is still against torture, he didn't want the CIA to have to follow the Arm Field Guide Manual, he was very clear he does not support any meansures that violated the Detainee Act, icluding waterboarding which he says is illegal under the act....

nice try though

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

Accepting it would be bad enough...he actually courted the guy. Can you imagine the uproar if Obama had courted the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan or Clinton had courted the endorsement of Jane Fonda?

They didn't have to

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Hagee said that Katrina was god's punishment for New Orleans heathen ways.

New Orleans is OK by me. I just hate the Saints and Hornets. I think George Shinn is "punishment" enough for NO.

 

[need_a_Disney_fix]

or because as he explained it was the portion of the legilsation regarding the enforcement of inter-agency rules that bothered him. He is still against torture, he didn't want the CIA to have to follow the Arm Field Guide Manual, he was very clear he does not support any meansures that violated the Detainee Act, icluding waterboarding which he says is illegal under the act....

nice try though

Darn those pesky little details.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

You might want to do a little research on Robert Byrd. He was working on battleships in WWII when John McCain was playing with...well, it may have been before legos, but you get the point.

Maybe you could explain how being a POW is somehow a qualification for the presidency, as I don't see the correlation. And where was this concern for the president having a clue about the inner workings of the military for the last 8 years? Did it just now become important?

McCain has a lot of life experience, I will grant that. But let's not pretend that Obama is fresh outta high school, here. He wouldn't be the youngest president in the last...um...two.

George Bush was elected before 9/11...different ball game now. I think electing someone with depth and experience when it comes to matters of foriegn policy is pretty darn important. McCain TRULY understands and appreciates the weight of the decisions involving our troops as a direct result of not only his experience as POW but his experience as an actual Commander in the military. Commander-in-chief....you do not promote the fry cook to run the entire national operation of your fast food business because he inspires people.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

Darn those pesky little details.

this is what we're going to get going forward....its all the left CAN throw at John McCain...let me tell you what we're going to hear in the general election all of which is twisting McCain positions, oversimplifying his views, or downright mischaraterizing him. Its already begun...

"John McCain wants to fight the war in Iraq for 100 year"

"John McCain wants to bomb Iran"

"John McCain supported everything Bush did"

"John McCain flip flopped on torture"

um, no, no, no, and no.....

 

[eclectics]

The good thing is, the Dems won't be putting forth a candidate that would stand and watch as an honorable service record is torn to shreds.

Nor will they run that type of "swiftboat" campaign against McCain.

 

[Mr Man]

Nor will they run that type of "swiftboat" campaign against McCain.

I don't mind if the Dems do mount this type of campaign. It will be easily challenged. After all, how many progressives do you imagine were in the Hanoi Hilton (as residents, not staff of course) ?

As an added bonus, we also get to watch the two Democrat campaigns test out their strategies against each other........while our powder stays dry........

 

[marybet]

Then you don't understand the military code of conduct. It is only six articles but it is pretty clear. Article 3 states that "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy." His refusal to leave was honoring the code - all US servicemen and women are bound by the code. I think he showed excellent judgment and character by meeting his obligations.

No, I really don't understand the military code of conduct. But I don't think that being released from a POW camp is a special favor. Other POWS were released and not charged with anything.

I am by no means "attacking" his service. It is just whenever I hear this it makes me wonder why he didn't come home when he could have.

 

[profdsny]

this is what we're going to get going forward....its all the left CAN throw at John McCain...let me tell you what we're going to hear in the general election all of which is twisting McCain positions, oversimplifying his views, or downright mischaraterizing him. Its already begun...

"John McCain wants to fight the war in Iraq for 100 year"

"John McCain wants to bomb Iran"

"John McCain supported everything Bush did"

"John McCain flip flopped on torture"

um, no, no, no, and no.....

Actualy, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Spin it all you want, but that's the way it is.

 

[LuvDuke]

And the media is giving him a pass on this! What kind of kool-aid are they drinking?!!!!!!!?

The heck with the media. How come Planet Bush isn't screaming and yelling? Oops, he's their standard bearer now.

 

[LuvDuke]

I don't mind if the Dems do mount this type of campaign. It will be easily challenged. After all, how many progressives do you imagine were in the Hanoi Hilton (as residents, not staff of course) ?

Please explain this. Are you trying to claim only Republicans fought in the war in Viet Nam or were "guests" in the Hanoi Hilton? Not even Planet Bush can believe that BS. Or maybe they can.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

John Kerry got shot, saved more than one man's life and Max Cleland lost a limb. But we all know they hated America. So I'm not buying the military service bit. Just wait until my friends in Houston examine his record. I'm sure they'll inform us he refused to be released because he was the stoolie soon enough.