Why did Russian plane go down?

[LAB81018]

Did I read right that the aircraft had previously struck it's tail on takeoff? A previous plane with this record ended up crashing with several hundred dead, the worst air disaster in history.

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Yes. I believe that happened in 2001 and the plane had logged thousands of flight hours since then.

The previous aviation accident was JAL 123, which was attributed to an incorrect repair of the tail after a tail strike on the 747. The repair used two plates to cover the repair to the tail instead of one plate. The two plates used to cover the area of stress were riveted with the seam parallel to the crack instead of perpendicular. The repair lasted seven years before it gave way and caused a decompression which destroyed all hydraulic systems.

The loss of life is still the largest for a single aircraft incident. The death toll could have been less had the Japanese government accepted the aid immediately offered by the nearby Yokota Air Force Base. USAF had helicopters over the site within 20 minutes while it was still daylight and had rescue operations scrambled to provide aid. The personnel at Yokota were told to stand down and that the Japanese would take care of it. By the time the Japanese had spotted the wreck themselves, it was dark and rescue operations were delayed until the next morning. There were 4 survivors in the end. One stated that there were many more moaning and screaming after the crash but the sounds died out during the night.

The length of time since the tail repair on the Metrojet may be irrelevant, it all depends on the number of pressurizations and depressurizations the aircraft went through.

 

[pat fan]

Do you think Putin would be able to take down ISIS? The Russians had no more success in Afghanistan than the US.

I don't think there is really a "taking down" of ISIS to be had. How do you take down an ideology? That said, you can obliterate a good portion of them, and Putin is much more apt to do that if they were directly attacked than others are.

I do think it's likely they are involved, but this struck me as a very strange statement.

Sometimes I'm strange I'll leave it at I will not be shocked if it's them.

 

[Albort]

i think its confirmed to be a bomb. US intel had a satellite in the area saying if it was a missile, they would have seen it. The satellite confirms a flash of light which they conclude as a bomb.

edit: Source: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151103/1029511161/us-satellite-detects-flash-over-sinai.html

 

[bcla]

i think its confirmed to be a bomb. US intel had a satellite in the area saying if it was a missile, they would have seen it. The satellite confirms a flash of light which they conclude as a bomb.

edit: Source: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151103/1029511161/us-satellite-detects-flash-over-sinai.html

While a flash was monitored, it was still inconclusive if it came from a bomb or an exploding fuel tank. They're going to test the debris.

 

[Topper]

karma

 

[Flight]

While a flash was monitored, it was still inconclusive if it came from a bomb or an exploding fuel tank. They're going to test the debris.

Yes. Remember TWA Flight 800.

 

[Tinks]

The British government has decided to halt flights from Sharm el-Sheikh:

Quote:

"While the investigation is still ongoing we cannot say categorically why the Russian jet crashed. But as more information has come to light we have become concerned that the plane may well have been brought down by an explosive device."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...harm-el-sheikh

 

[Albort]

While a flash was monitored, it was still inconclusive if it came from a bomb or an exploding fuel tank. They're going to test the debris.

true... but i think the only recorded explosion from tank is the concorde crash right? Not sure how else those tanks would blow up though without an outside source.

 

[bcla]

true... but i think the only recorded explosion from tank is the concorde crash right? Not sure how else those tanks would blow up though without an outside source.

TWA Flight 800 was a center fuel tank explosion. The tank was empty, which meant it was all fumes.

 

[gwynne]

Reported this afternoon on CNN
US Intelligence report suggests Russian plane crash likely cause by bomb planted by ISIS or it's affiliate.

 

[wvjules]

Reported this afternoon on CNN
US Intelligence report suggests Russian plane crash likely cause by bomb planted by ISIS or it's affiliate.

I don't know how you all feel about that but to me that is scary as ****! (I hope that word gets correctly filtered.)

 

[gwynne]

I don't know how you all feel about that but to me that is scary.....

I agree with you. I'm no chicken little, but this sounds like a very worrisome development.

 

[Tinks]

I just read that the Russians are interrogating the catering people. There is a theory that a bomb was placed within the catering and when the food was heated, it exploded. Just a theory that is floating around out there but apparently the catering people/materials are not put through security at all.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Updates, including why US and British intelligence feel certain it was a bomb, and theories as to how it got on plane

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onfirmed-noise-heard-black-box-explosion.html