Who's the guy in the sky?

[yaksack]

If you only have problems with religions that have a history of violence, then I guess you have problems with every religion. Try cracking open a history book. The fact is there have always been violent extremists in every religion and there are peaceful, loving people in every religion. And you keep frothing at the mouth about the muslim architecture in Morocco, yet you have no problem with the church in Norway. That makes you a hypocrite. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Hypocrite.

I think there's another theme park in the Orlando area that has Christian themes only. Maybe you'd be more comfortable there. For us others, who like to learn and experience all the world has to offer, we'll enjoy EPCOT's World Showcase.

I think that most of the other religions have evolved and adopted the "Thou shall not kill philsophy", but not the muslim mythos. They want to kill Christians and Jew so they can get their virgins in heaven.

 

[Laura]

Honestly, I'd be just as annoyed if it said, "Visit Universal Studios".

 

[fey_spirit]

First, thank you for not blasting me and understanding that I am trying to learn. I can't bridge the gap in my own life between an "us" and "them" mentality without understanding - and it seems to me that this country dangerously polarized by that kind of thinking.

May I ask what beleifs, and values you do hold that you think of as Republican Values?

Wow. Well I'm a registered Republican and this couldn't be further away from describing me. We're far from rich and I don't idolize anyone, I work outside of the home (by choice) and far from hating gays, have quite a few friends who are gay. I also do not consider myself religious, spiritual, yes, but religious no and don't belong to any particular church. And there are quite a few social programs that I donate to--I just like to choose which charities I donate to myself, and can't do that when half of my paycheck is taken with taxes.

Oh, well I guess one thing does apply to us, DH does have a thing for his guns

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I think that most of the other religions have evolved and adopted the "Thou shall not kill philsophy", but not the muslim mythos. They want to kill Christians and Jew so they can get their virgins in heaven.

and Christian and other Zionists want kill them to herald in the second coming - sorry, don't see a difference - won't even go into the "virgin" thing - can't believe people still ...well, I said I wouldn't go into it....

 

[yaksack]

and Christian and other Zionists want kill them to herald in the second coming - sorry, don't see a difference - won't even go into the "virgin" thing - can't believe people still ...well, I said I wouldn't go into it....

I never heard that before. Can you quote the passage in the Bible from where it came?

 

[Sleeping Becca]

so then if the skywritings said "Goddess Bless" you would be here in the same spirit?????? It would be Ok with you and calling the skywriter a "freak" would be wrong???? You would be tolerant and respectful???

I can honestly say I would not be offended or angry by someone writing "Goddess Bless" in the sky.

 

[Jynohn]

First, thank you for not blasting me and understanding that I am trying to learn. I can't bridge the gap in my own life between an "us" and "them" mentality without understanding - and it seems to me that this country dangerously polarized by that kind of thinking.

May I ask what beleifs, and values you do hold that you think of as Republican Values?

I think sleeping becca put it better in her post than I ever could. Basically, I think my tax money should go to basic necessities such as roads, police/fire, schools and national defense. I believe there's also many people who need our help because they are physically or mentally incapable of earning a living on their own i.e. the elderly, handicapped and children. What I DON'T want to see is people who refuse to help themselves living off the government and the hard work of others for generations.

As far as the other stuff, my view is live and let live

 

[cardaway]

and Christian and other Zionists want kill them to herald in the second coming - sorry, don't see a difference - won't even go into the "virgin" thing - can't believe people still ...well, I said I wouldn't go into it....

Turns out the yak's ignorance had not reached it peak after all.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Becca: I know, believe me!!!


That specifically was for yak given his previus statements. I know there are tolerant and respectful Christians out there - my problem is with those on the extreme - as I think"yak" is....I stated earlier I have a lot of respect for those who are respectful and tolerant - I truly believe that is the message of Jesus/Christianity..and to follow that is what it means to be Christian. I also understand getting the message out is as well. I just don't like the sky writing - as I also would not want to see advertising ....

 

[fey_spirit]

It sounds like we might have an awful lot in commen actually. For the record I've tried holding down jobs, but there is something off in the way my brain processes imput and I can't function in the kinds of job they'll give me without a degree in this area (Fast Food, Bingo Hall etc). Even working the phones in a call center was too much - three months ended in a nervous breakdown. So I got myself on SSI, and then I got myself into school where I'm working towards a docterate in Psycology (the goverment will only take me so far as a Bachelors but that will be enough to get a base entry level job in the field.)

And while I do agree with you that far too many people take advantage of welfare, and that needs to be stopped, I do think that in order to be on welfare you should have to have A.) A job or B.) Be going to school and maintaining an A - B Average. I don't see the harm in getting a little help while you seek the same education beneifits those born with money receive.

I guess I think of it as the responsability of every human being to the degree to which they are able to help hold aloft their fellow man (and have the right to be held thus by their fellow man). So it makes sense to me to use taxes to gather this help from all citizens and then be disceminated in such a fasion that I don't have to repent to get help...

I think in the end based on what I see below - we actually have a great deal in commen.

I am curious, if a Financial Conservative - but a social liberal, why choose to identify as a Republican? If you're divided between the two on two seperate set of issues - what led you to choose one over the other?

I'm a socially liberal financially conservative Republican. In other words I think putting resources into job creation (your pockets of the rich) is better than putting it into pockets of those who exploit and live off of the government and to the bloated goverment itself. I would like to keep more of my money and not give it to someone, who tells me how I should spend it (taxes). I'm not saying that people who are truely disabled should not get a check, they should. I have a problem with people who can work who have jobs available to them but refuse to work or better themselves. I feel that social organizations (privately funded) or church organizations should work with feeding and clothing and aiding the needy (they seem to do a much better job than the government has ever done, my sister works for an organization and they do wonderful things). I feel my tax dollars should go to infastructure (roads, fire depts, police departments, environmental quality, etc) and my charitable donations (which I give generously of my $$ and time) to the needy.

Now for the socially liberal part. I think people should be able to live as they chose as long as it does not harm others. I don't think you can legislate morality.

 

[JLH]

Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.....

 

[fey_spirit]

Well considering what Christ had to say about those who judged others, and tried to force their religion on others (there's a diffrence between telling others of the gospel and verbally battering them with it) - I'd say we'll meet ya there.

No problem with them. I think they are going to hell, but I have no problem with them.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I never heard that before. Can you quote the passage in the Bible from where it came?

oh puhlease...you can't make this up....

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Turns out the yak's ignorance had not reached it peak after all.

no - but he's workin' on it!!!!

 

[cardaway]

I know there are tolerant and respectful Christians out there - my problem is with those on the extreme - as I think"yak" is....I stated earlier I have a lot of respect for those who are respectful and tolerant - I truly believe that is the message of Jesus/Christianity..and to follow that is what it means to be Christian. I also understand getting the message out is as well. I just don't like the sky writing - as I also would not want to see advertising ....

Well said.

 

[Rhongepooh]

From:
http://www.turntojesus.net/


Yes, I think I would also use the word "freak". Or perhaps "nutjob". I don't need Jesus shoved down my throat when I am trying to enjoy WDW. Too bad gas prices are going down.

Come on now. . ."shoved down your throat?". . . I hardly count some sky writing shoving anything down anyone's throat. You see it in the sky. . .just don't look or just don't read it. It's hardly shoving anything. Personally I think it's great of him/her and I applaud her/him. I wish I could witness to as many people as he/she apparently has.

 

[fey_spirit]

Actually this statement is sadly misinformed.
First of all they tend to view Christ as a Prophet, so they don't actually have a problem with Christanity. Second the holy war of which you speak is Jhyad - which by the dictates of their religion is only to be called in such a case where their people are being religiously persacuted in such a way that they are being forced to abandon their faith. Jhayd has specific laws that demand at the very least that they be attacked first.

Therfore, any Muslim who chooses to step outside the confines of that boundry have as much to do with Muslims as those two redneck christan boys that decided to drag Matthew Sheppard behind a pick up truck have to do with Christans. I can call myself anything, I can say that I commit acts of atrocity in the name of my god - and if I say that, then I'm a liar - because nobody's god says hate - much less kill your neighbor.

I think that most of the other religions have evolved and adopted the "Thou shall not kill philsophy", but not the muslim mythos. They want to kill Christians and Jew so they can get their virgins in heaven.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

no - but he's workin' on it!!!!

and I am STILL waiting on his answer to whether or not he would be as tolerant and respectful if the message was from a "peaceful" religion other than his own?????

 

[Uncle Remus]

It is just interesting the turn this thread took after Robin posted about this thread over on the CB Godless heathen thread

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=861737&page=107&pp=15

It seemed that the conversation was more civil until many of the same posters on the Godless heathen thread decided to come to Robin's defense.

Just an observation.

Well GOD only knows how it will turn
now that you've shown up

 

[fey_spirit]

Can you quote the passage in the Koran that says "Kill the Christans and Jews, and a hundred virgins for you"?

I never heard that before. Can you quote the passage in the Bible from where it came?