Who is refusing Common Core tests for 3rd-8th graders?

Who is refusing Common Core tests for 3rd-8th graders?


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Firstly: It is not my choice.
Secondly: a walk in someone else's shoes might make you understand better. I'm not going to debate with someone who feels education is on the same level as food, sorry.
And I have worked in education, both of my parents were educators as well.

Your post came across that you don't help your SD b/c of issues of a blended family, my point wasn't that it makes you a bad person who should be doing more just that you could help if the circumstances weren't as they are. I'm assuming you are stating the other parent doesn't want you around. My only point was there is time if you had to, just that everyone has time in their day. You are reading a judgement in my statement that isn't there. I don't think is reflects on who you are as a person, only that every person has time...which you said you have, but cannot use to help b/c of blended family issues. That is all.

While food keeps you alive education will give you better circumstances. Most families work hard to give their kid an education so that they have better opportunities than they did so that they can live a better life.

I too have worked in education so our credentials are the same. I also taught in low income/at risk program when I started out in Preschool. I saw lots of parents busting the butts to give their kids everything they could. Single moms who still were able to find time to volunteer. Some volunteering can be done at night while your kids are asleep. It might mean you give up your own sleep, but many still do it.
 
That doesn't mean TAX MONEY funds the rest.....

At a state school, where do you think it comes from?

The most popular way to fund athletic complexes is the issuance of municipal bonds. Private money plays a part, but most of the money comes from bonds, just like with any state funded institution. Look it up.
 
You are thinking of major D1 football programs, which are supported by major donors and self-sustaining. Smaller state schools' programs and their stadiums are paid for with tax dollars, as are natatoriums, travel for sports programs, etc. These are a drain on education dollars, and let's face it, how many of those kids are going to play football professionally or swim in the Olympics? If you aren't D1, what's the point in the program? I suggest you look into this subject a little further.

It is a marketing thing. It irks me to no end, but that's the value in it... It looks good when the school is hosting open houses and attracts students that wouldn't be interested in a university without sports. And yeah, it sucks paying tuition that goes up every year while reading all about the expenses-paid spring break in FL (for a tournament, of course) the softball team went on and hearing about the basketball team traveling all over the country on the school's dime to be the whipping boys for schools with competitive programs.

We have a crazy huge football stadium (high school) down the street from us. It's a beautiful facility and seems like overkill, until Friday night when it's standing room only...not to mention the soccer games, lax games, band competitions, etc. I think it's about 10,000 capacity--not quite sure. Probably didn't cost 60,000,000 either, but it sure gets used.

That's how ours is too. The stadium and performing arts center were bond financed, and they are both top-notch. I doubt they'll ever pay for themselves but they do add a great deal to the district, not just the athletics at the stadium but also the band, choir, and theatre events in the performing arts center. And when neither school is using the PAC it is available for community groups, dance studios, etc. to lease out, which helps to offset the costs to the district.

No offence but where do you work that third graders are proficient at typing? Here they start "computer" class in kindergarten-first grade but typing is not even a class until fourth-fifth grade. That is pretty even across the board here where I live. (I have worked with seven local districts, a total of approximately thirty elementary schools)

Same here. My kids are very tech savvy for their ages but they weren't keyboarding very well at 8. It isn't taught until upper elem, so all they knew is what they picked up at home on their own.

WOW! That's rude, why should they not be able to be part of a college team just b/c they aren't in the best division.

Because it isn't a good use of tax or tuition dollars. As a college student borrowing thousands a year to finance an education I certainly resent the hell out of the fact that some of that money is paying for athletic facilities, trainers, equipment, and extensive travel for the teams. I don't think D1 teams deserve the funding either, though. Let the NFL and NBA fund their own minor league programs. At a time when college costs are spiraling out of reach of more and more people, there is absolutely no good reason for universities to be spending millions on students playing games.

That's the million dollar question isn't it. That is the biggest problem with education in our country, parents think the burden should fall on the schools alone. I mean look at all the people just on this thread complaining and spewing data, yet won't list one contribution they make to helping their district succeed. If parents and even other community members(because it does impact everyone...better schools, better property values) don't want to get involved there is sadly only so much that can be done. I wish I knew what the answer was, on paper a voucher system seems like a good idea. Only that system doesn't seem to work out so well when carried out. By allowing students to leave their area and go to an area with more support seems like a no brainer, yet it just doesn't seem to work. I don't have the answer to that. I think that school districts failing need to pair up with a successful district(but then who has the time to mentor another school...right?) to learn what they can do to improve. The answer is time and effort and lots of it by people outside of the schools, but sadly that won't happen and people who have money will move to the communities where taxes are higher and schools are better while others who don't have the money will struggle and slip through the cracks. All I know is that each person has to make a decision to help solve problems or do nothing. I choose to help solve the problems in my district. Maybe as the crisis grows others will decide to do more besides online petitions and opting out.

I wish I knew what the solution is too. I'm not sure there's an avenue for parents to make a real difference in the system as it exists now. Volunteers are largely directed into frivolous efforts like fundraising for a new playground or for field trips. Curriculum decisions aren't open to public input. Grants don't help with operating expenses, only one-time efforts. The whole thing is structured to top-down management, not grassroots efforts at change. Even the board's hands are often tied by state and federal mandates and funding changes.
 

I wish I knew what the solution is too. I'm not sure there's an avenue for parents to make a real difference in the system as it exists now. Volunteers are largely directed into frivolous efforts like fundraising for a new playground or for field trips. Curriculum decisions aren't open to public input. Grants don't help with operating expenses, only one-time efforts. The whole thing is structured to top-down management, not grassroots efforts at change. Even the board's hands are often tied by state and federal mandates and funding changes.

Exactly. I live not far from you, and this is exactly how it is here. The system is set up so there's as little community involvement as possible on anything substantive, other than for fund-raising, which my district is pretty good at. We have the Google Chromes and the Smart Boards, mainly because those can be fund-raised for. And in my experience and those of my friends, the School Boards here don't want your input, and they make sure to schedule little public comment time. And with the weak government in the sunshine laws in Michigan, much is done behind closed doors. You can call the curriculum office, as I have done several times, and you are just glad-handled. You call the school and they refer you to the school board, who refers you to the state, who says our hands are tied because of federal regulations. It's a nice knot they've weaved to keep out parents from being involved in the process. The fact that there are 550 school districts in the state also means they can't really be covered well by the media, particularly with all the media cutbacks.

There was a huge effort to get a nearby failing, broke school district disbanded and the kids sent to the wealthy, high-performing schools that literally ring the district. Lots of people worked very hard to get this done, including local parents and state lawmakers -- and it was soooo close -- then the big weathly school districts banded together to shut the process down. They didn't want to take on the poor and disadvantaged students. So all those parents who worked so hard to help their kids learned the truth -- the system is stacked against them.
 
Can posters please stay on the thread topic?. There are two separate conversations happening in this thread. Please start a new thread about sports stadiums. This thread is about CCSS testing.
 
Can posters please stay on the thread topic?. There are two separate conversations happening in this thread. Please start a new thread about sports stadiums. This thread is about CCSS testing.

Um, threads go off topic on the Dis all the time. It's really not that hard to just skip the posts that you aren't interested in.
 
No, they do not. INVESTORS buy the bonds, which in turn, pays the loan...muni bonds are a great piece of a portfolio....

You really don't understand this concept. Once the bonds are funded by investors, they have to be paid back. And how are they often paid back? Tax revenue.
 
You're from Indiana, right? In urban areas there are often rec leagues for men and women after high school- soccer, hockey, flag football, then there is always biking, running and swimming, which adults do on their own. I remember watching the adult soccer players on the fields near the Washington mall. Those guys were always good.

If athletes think they are so great but can't make a good D1 team, they can always walk on in the pros or try out for a farm team. It's not worth spending millions upon million for the few D2 players who become good pro players. Around here, the good D2 players often have records or were busted down from D1 for infractions- drugs, arrests, etc. Why support that with tax money?

And my tax money shouldn't be a scholarship fund for marginal sports players or a jobs program for old high school jock/coaches. If I want to give money to a scholarship fund, I'll choose which one. The state shouldn't choose for me.

Anser to question one, yes, I am from Indiana and there are places where adults can go participate. This still doesn't explain what it has to do with kids attending college (other than D1) so they can afford the opportunity to get a higher education.

Answer to question two, fist off, saying someone can walk on to the "pros" is like saying a local 3rd grader should just become President, why go to high school and college and waste my tax payer dollars. It's not always the case of not being good enough to making that D1 team. There are a ton of factors into why you choose a college to play sports. Ex. coaching staff, distance from home, money, facilities, types of programs offered, type of athletic program they run, history of success, etc...

I don't know what to say about your comment on the good D2 players often have records or were busted down from D1. I attended a D2 college and they won the D2 national title in basketball one of those years, not one of them was a criminal or where busted down from a D1. I'm pretty sure that would have been all over campus news. 3 of the 5 starters were teaching and coaching in high school and one is a current college head coach. This could have changed since that info is about 5 years old. I would love to see your statistical data on backing up this D2 comment.

Answer to question three, your tax money doesn't go to funding scholarships in athletics. Coaches salaries, yes, a small portion, but think of the revenue those programs bring into your city/state. Yes, college athletics is usually in the hole but what it brings to that city is always in the profit range. There is a much bigger picture you aren't fully seeing. Just think how many kids wouldn't get a college education if it were not for sports. That leads to a much bigger picture than you worrying about $10 of your paycheck going to state colleges and public schools. I could think of a ton of other things my state and federal gov't waste my money on other than D2 or smaller athletics.
 
Um, threads go off topic on the Dis all the time. It's really not that hard to just skip the posts that you aren't interested in.

There are too many off-topic posts regarding sports which should be it's own thread. It's over-taking this thread which is about testing. Thank you for your consideration.
 
There are too many off-topic posts regarding sports which should be it's own thread. It's over-taking this thread which is about testing. Thank you for your consideration.

Individual posters have never been the ones to police whether a thread stays "on topic," especially on the Community Board. If you have a problem with the thread, you might want to message a mod.
 
At least I stayed on topic. And the articles about the issues with Common Core testing -- many from major newspapers -- are easy to find as PARCC testing rolls out.
 


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