Which Camera?

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Hiya, I know this is another "what camera should I buy" topic but I desperately need the help figuring out which camera I should choose. I've been saving up my "Camera Fund" for quite some time and I at first thought I wanted a Nikon d3000 but now that I have looked at the better quality camera's, i'm starting to think it might be worth it to wait and spend a little more money on one of the better quality cameras.

I am pretty much a beginner with DSLR cameras but I do not want a camera that is too "beginner" that I would be done with the camera in a few months. I want to choose a camera that will last a while and takes professional quality images.

I will mostly be using the camera on my upcoming American Southwest Trip (includes going to the Grand Canyon) and Ireland Trip. If you guys have any suggestions on what camera you think I should buy, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks for the help!
 
I wouldn't worry quite as much about the camera as the lenses you plan to purchase with it. You will more likely "outgrow" the kit lens faster than you will the camera. I just switched from Sony to Canon and most of my research was based on reading tons and tons of reviews and looking at sample images on Flickr. Some people swear by holding the camera in the store first, which I did, but they didn't have the lenses I wanted in stock so I didn't find that terribly helpful. One thing I've heard about the D3000 is that its high ISO performance isn't stellar. If I were shooting Nikon, I would choose probably the D90, or the D300/s (if I could afford it!). These cameras have quite a few more features and will deliver better image quality. In the Canon camp, my T1i, while considered more of an entry-level, has excellent high ISO performance.
 
If you are looking to still stay in the entry level, but be at the top end of it, look at the Pentax K-x, Canon T1i, and Nikon D5000. There are also good cameras from Sony, Olympus, etc. but I o not know their model numbers. The Nikon D5000 seems to lag a little behind the Pentax and Canon on features and performance, but it is going to be better than the D3000. Speaking from my experience, the Pentax K-x is an incredible camera! For a few years now they have been lagging a little behind Canon and Nikon on features, but the K-x is good as you can get on the entry level. I would say the T1i shares that spot with it where each one slightly beats the other one in different categories. In real life use, I do not believe you could tell a difference in the images. The next level up is going to take you to around the $1k+ mark.

P.S. the Pentax kit lens is a little better feature and build quality wise than Canon and Nikon. I am still using their kit lens after three years and am still happy with it. Image quality is about the same on all kit lenses. Also, the IS is built in the camera instead of the lens, so all lenses can take advantage of it.
 
Sony's step up are the A500 and the A550. Both have good high ISO, in camera HDR, face detection, in camera image stabilization, tilt screens and the best live view system. No video in any Sony DSLR's if that is important.

The models kind of in-between entry and mid are the A330 and A350 but those do have a very different camera body design and should be held to see if they work for your hands.

It's hard to say about an entry level being too beginner b/c they are very capable camera's. I personally ended up with a prosumer camera myself and was quickly happy that I had b/c of the increased features that I started using. I think that otherwise I would have been looking to upgrade.
 

... at first thought I wanted a Nikon d3000 but now that I have looked at the better quality camera's, i'm starting to think it might be worth it to wait and spend a little more money on one of the better quality cameras.

I am pretty much a beginner with DSLR cameras but I do not want a camera that is too "beginner" that I would be done with the camera in a few months. I want to choose a camera that will last a while and takes professional quality images.

The entry level dSLRs give up some features (sometimes a lot of features) to the higher up models but quality is not one of them. The more expensive models may be weather-sealed, have more MP, higher ISO, higher frame rate, etc. but for most purposes image quality is not that different. Consider 99% of printers are 8.5 x 11" and it becomes clear that few people will print larger than that, more than 10 MP will not buy us much in that case.

Most cameras have more functions and features than most of us will ever use. The only one I use much that the D3000 is missing is bracket exposures (good for HDR) and even that can be worked around. The D3000 is an entry level dSLR but one that most of us are not likely to outgrow anytime soon. The same goes for pretty much all the other brands entry level dSLRs as well.

Just my opinion (and I pack an entry level Canon).
 
Thanks for all of the help everyone!

After looking over the posts and doing some more research, I think i've narrowed it down to two cameras, Canon Rebel t1i or Nikon d90. It looks to me as if the d90 takes much better quality photo's but i'm just a newbie so i'm not sure lol. Which do you think would be the better buy?
 
They are really on a different level. The D90 is out of the entry level category IMO. Canon and Nikon intentionally never put cameras at the exact same level. I would not say that the pics are better out of one or the other though. The D90 has more features that make it more user friendly. One thing to remember though. If you do not take advantage of the extra features, then you just wasted your money.

As for feel, I like the D90 better. I have yet to come across a Rebel that felt right in my hands. While you are at it, you should consider the other cameras in the D90 range such as the Canon 50D and Pentax K-7.
 
Thank you so much for the help and i'm sorry for the newbieness! After looking at the other two camera's you recommended and I'm really liking the pentax.

I understand now that the d90 and the pentax are above the beginner level but do you think it would be too complicated for a newbie to use? I guess i'm kind of looking for camera I can grow into rather than one that I will automatically be able to point and shoot with, if that doesn't sound too crazy lol
 
Thank you so much for the help and i'm sorry for the newbieness! After looking at the other two camera's you recommended and I'm really liking the pentax.

I understand now that the d90 and the pentax are above the beginner level but do you think it would be too complicated for a newbie to use? I guess i'm kind of looking for camera I can grow into rather than one that I will automatically be able to point and shoot with, if that doesn't sound too crazy lol

Hmmm...I'm not a Nikon shooter, so I'm not quite familiar with the different Nikon cameras.

However, sounds like you're wanting a DSLR that's more advanced than the D3000, which is an entry-level DSLR geared toward folks with no DSLR/SLR experience. At the same time, you also want a camera that's not as advanced as the D90, which is geared toward the advanced amateur photographer.

Would the Nikon D5000 be considered an "intermediate" entry-level DSLR? Would this be the camera you're looking for?

I'm more familiar with Canon cameras, so for us the choices are the Canon T1i for entry-level and the Canon 50D for the intermediate-advanced amateur. The Canon 7D is probably geared toward the advanced amateur / professional.

I agree with boBQuincy above. Even with the "beginner" entry-level DSLRs, there are TONS of functions & features that you will likely not out-grow, especially if you don't have any previous experience with DSLRs. Plus, the quality of your photos will be just as good as the "intermediate" entry level and advanced amateur level DSLRs.
 
Thank you so much for the help and i'm sorry for the newbieness! After looking at the other two camera's you recommended and I'm really liking the pentax.

I understand now that the d90 and the pentax are above the beginner level but do you think it would be too complicated for a newbie to use? I guess i'm kind of looking for camera I can grow into rather than one that I will automatically be able to point and shoot with, if that doesn't sound too crazy lol

The biggest difference with controls on an intermediate level camera is the addition of a second control wheel. The wheels control things like shutter speed, aperture, ISO, etc. All those things can still be adjusted with the one wheel on the beginner level camera, but require another step such as pushing a button, so it is just a convenience thing. All of the cameras at the beginner to intermediate level will have modes all the way from full automatic to full manual. The other improvements you get with an intermediate camera are things like weather sealing (at least on Pentax), faster burst rates, higher resolution LCDs, etc.

So basically, all DSLRs are pretty much capable of capturing the same images. The better models just make it easier to do. I started with a high level beginner DSLR, the K100D, about three years ago. I upgraded about a month ago to the K-x, which is still an entry level model, but three years newer on technology. The old camera still works just fine and I really didn't outgrow it so much as I just wanted the new technology. I am partial to Pentax, but all of the cameras are great and will make you happy.

Good luck deciding!
 
Unless you're super savvy, the non-entry level camera may be a bit too much camera for a complete newb, IMO. As others have said, the entry level cameras have plenty to keep you busy (and perplexed) for a while. ;)

Remember, there's really 3 things you have to conquer when you get into this: 1) the art and science of photography piece; 2) the how to work the camera (aka mini computer) piece; and 3) the post processing piece. All are rather complicated in their own rights, and together it can be pretty overwhelming for a while.

I met some ladies last year who had entry level dSLRs who completely gave up on them because they were simply "too much" camera for them. What a shame.

Now all this is not to say you possibly couldn't do really great with an advanced camera to start. I'm sure there are some who do. I think most people, though, prefer to start off slowly, learn a bit, then move up once they're comfortable with or have outgrown their beginner cameras. Only you can decide. Do any of your friends have a dSLR that you can study and/or play around with a bit?
 
The Nikon D90 will work as simply as any of the beginner cameras. It has program and auto mode. It has a better sensor and more options when you are ready to leave those modes. If you decide never to do so, you still have the capability to take great pictures. How well you do that is up to you.
 
The Nikon D90 will work as simply as any of the beginner cameras. It has program and auto mode. It has a better sensor and more options when you are ready to leave those modes. If you decide never to do so, you still have the capability to take great pictures. How well you do that is up to you.

Agreed. If you can afford the D90 and you go the Nikon route, get the D90.

The D5000 and D3000 don't have internal focus motors so there are some lenses you'd only be able to manually focus with those.

And the D90 has all the "auto" modes on it too, so I don't think the D90 would be any more of an additional learning curve than the others. They all have auto, program, aperture, shutter, and manual modes... so you'll be able to learn exposure on all of them, or use them point-and-shoot style for all of them. But the D90 will have other options so that as you do master the basics, you'll have more room to grow.
 
Thank you so much for the help and i'm sorry for the newbieness! After looking at the other two camera's you recommended and I'm really liking the pentax.

I understand now that the d90 and the pentax are above the beginner level but do you think it would be too complicated for a newbie to use? I guess i'm kind of looking for camera I can grow into rather than one that I will automatically be able to point and shoot with, if that doesn't sound too crazy lol

All of the cameras you are looking at will allow you to grow; you can shoot with the same amount of control with the D3000 just like you can with the D3x.

The lower end models are designed with new DLSR shooters in mind. They have more "auto scene" features, which decide for you things like shutter speed and aperture for scene type that you select (like with a P&S). However, you don't need to use them and can use the standard A/S/M settings just like on the higher-end models. The entry level models have more in-depth menus and help features (I believe that the D3000 has a feature that actually gives you tutorials and decision-making support right in the camera). They are smaller and easier to carry, but still capable of great pictures. The suggestion of paying more attention to your lenses is sound; the entry level DSLR's of today have better image-making potential than the prosumer cameras of 5 years ago.

Some things you give up when getting an entry level (D3000) versus an enthusiast level (D90) or prosumer (D300s) include less focusing points, older focus tracking technology, more menus and less dedicated buttons, usually an older-generation sensor, lower image quality at higher ISO's, lower frame rate, less robust body, no focusing motor in the body (restricts lens choice), reduced control of off-camera flash. Are any of these omissions show-stoppers?

I started on a Nikon D50 four years ago, shot with it 2-1/2 years, and then moved up to a D300. Could I have gone straight to a D200 (prosumer at the time)? Probably, but even after having the D50 for 2-1/2 years and learning the basics of photography, the D300 was a big step in terms of complexity and capability. Going right to the D200 would NOT have been fun, as I can could see the camera getting in the way of the picture-taking. Could I have gone right to a D70 (enthusiast level at the time)? For sure. It was basically a souped-up D50. Although the D90 is more complex than its ancestor the D70 (as it also has video), it would not be totally beyond a new person's grasp. What kept me from getting the D70 was strictly budget; not only did I want a body, but a couple of lenses, so I had to compromise on the body. I still have one of those lenses, and use it regularly. The other was replaced with a faster one in the same range.

The entry-level Nikon lenses that are often paired with the D3000 and the D5000 are actually pretty darn good. Much better than the "kit" lenses of yesteryear. Knowing how I progressed, if budget is an issue I'd consider getting a D3000 with an 18-55DX and a 55-200DX. In addition, as women tend to have smaller hands, the smaller cameras, like the D3000 may feel more comfortable in your hand than the D90. In any regards, before getting ANYthing, go and shoot them. Go to a camera store, pick them up, play with the menus, take the lenses off and on, etc. I had my choices narrowed down to two brands; once I picked them both up the decision was made. One I loved the feel of, one I hated (personal preference).

Good luck with whatever decision you make!
 
Unless you're super savvy, the non-entry level camera may be a bit too much camera for a complete newb, IMO. As others have said, the entry level cameras have plenty to keep you busy (and perplexed) for a while. ;)

I would agree, the entry level Canon models (T1i /500D, XSi/450D) have plenty of features to keep you busy. I wouldn't worry about designations like "prosumer" "enthusiast", they share the same sensor, it's just the extra small features. Plus consider the lens - you will want a long telephoto zoom, wide angle, large aperture zoom .... always somewhere to spend $$ !
 
If the OP had come on and said she used an old SLR for years, took photography classes in the past, is very tech savvy, etc, I might feel differently.
 
Camera bodies come and go but it's the lenses that last longer. IMO, this is what keeps the manufactures in business along with all the accessories. The person behind the camera is the one that's creative. You can go out today and purchase the most advanced camera and then in 6 months it's considered old technology.

You have alot of options now and it's only going to get better. Look at all different manufactures and see what they have to offer and then make your decision on what you need the camera to do. If you have interests in low-light photography I would lean towards Nikon. Sports photography look at Canon. Olympus, Pentax, Sony, we seem to get no respect but we still love our cameras!!! Let the flaming begin.....
 
You may want to try a few of the used camera sites...Bhphoto.com keh.com and Craigslist. You'll be able to get a very good DSLR without paying retail. If you quickly decide it's not for you, then you sell it for what you bought it for.

As others have mentioned, the cost and quality is in the lenses. I shoot professionally for a local wedding photographer and it's the lens that makes the shot more often that the specific camera body. A Canon Ti is a great place for a budding amateur to be. Having HD video available is a big PLUS.
 
Steve's Digicams has a great forum with a dedicated "What Camera Should I Buy?" section. I found it very helpful while I was narrowing down my field.
 


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