where is the outrage now?

[undercovermom]

I am not a Jew but do have respect for their traditions.

I took a quick look around the web to see what kind of etiquette there is for "Kotel notes".

Most of what I read had to do with respect for the Wailing Wall itself. I couldn't find anything about a sacred trust of the contents of said Kotel Notes. Just that they are collected once every year and buried. I did see a few anecdotes that suggest that the contents of the Kotel notes are not necessarily involiate.

Here is what I found:

http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_kotel.htm I liked this story very much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall#Prayer_at_the_Wall

Regardless, it is definitely snooping by the Seminary student. But, I guess I am missing the outrage unless this is expressly forbidden by their religion.

snooping -- reading someone else's mail -- is forbidden by Jewish law. a seminary student familiar with Torah and talmud would know this.

 

[undercovermom]

or they are just very tidy in Jerusalem.


I imagine the Obama campaign banners were disposed of in similar manner.....once his entourage departed of course.

please be careful about making sarcastic comments when you don't understand rules and customs.


notes in the Kotel are buried because they are sacred texts.

campaign posters placed on police barricades -- no matter what you feel about the candidate -- are not in the same league.

 

[undercovermom]

If the note was placed there by the Obama campaign on purpose then the student was in on it and the press fell for it. That is unless they are in on the plot too. The note sounds a bit too perfect but I can't imagine that he placed it there with the intention that it would be published.

This is all very odd.

what most people here don't understand...

when I see an Israeli described as "Orthodox" I generally do not take it to mean "Modern Orthodox" but rather I substitute the word "Haredi" -- the Haredim are right-wing,ultra-Orthodox extremists, much like the extreme right wing evangelicals in this country. they are NOT Obama's friends, they're more lilely to be among those who heckled him at the Wall. I very much doubt this student was working with or for Obama.

only on the DIs have I read anything along the lines of "this was a set up by the Obama camp." not even Rush Limbaugh has suggested it. though the Los Angeles times seems to think Obama knew it was entirely possible that his note would be filched: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-prayer26-2008jul26,0,307044.story

 

[Planogirl]

I think that the idea that Obama set it up is far-fetched and a total reach. Now knowing that the student would be very unlikely to be friendly with Obama makes it even more ludicrous.

Sigh.... What's next?

 

[CPT Tripss]

Oy! The crazy cons have out done themselves just to get a jab in at Sen. Obama. But it's all so predictable . . . their chutzpah while kvetching about him is just meshuginah.

But they are entitled to their opinions. After all, opinions are like pupicks, everyone (even you schmendricks) has one. It's just that I find your mishigas a lot of tuml.

 

[undercovermom]

Oy! The crazy cons have out done themselves just to get a jab in at Sen. Obama. But it's all so predictable . . . their chutzpah while kvetching about him is just meshuginah.

But they are entitled to their opinions. After all, opinions are like pupicks, everyone (even you schmendricks) has one. It's just that I find your mishigas a lot of tuml.

what i truly love is that they picked a fight over campaign posters on police barricades -- which was not offensive to the Israeli public or press -- but want to minimize an incident that was truly offensive to the Israeli public and Jewish sensibilities because "Obama=bad".

 

[DawnCt1]

what i truly love is that they picked a fight over campaign posters on police barricades -- which was not offensive to the Israeli public or press -- but want to minimize an incident that was truly offensive to the Israeli public and Jewish sensibilities because "Obama=bad".

The campaign posters were offensive to me because I find it very offensive that any candidate for president is campaigning overseas; particularly during the part of the trip that was paid for by the taxpayer.

 

[church72]

...He will raise taxes on the most productive Americans...

Wealth is not a direct result of being productive.

 

[bimshire]

If you met me, you would probably like me. I am actually a very nice, likable person.

Ya don't say!

 

[undercovermom]

The campaign posters were offensive to me because I find it very offensive that any candidate for president is campaigning overseas; particularly during the part of the trip that was paid for by the taxpayer.

but the way you phrased it, Dawn, was that it was an outrage against our holy place. You made no mention of posters in Iraq, or Germany. you're backpedaling now.

 

[undercovermom]

and considering how xenophobic Bush was 4 years ago http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2668-2004Oct27.html
it's refreshing to see a candidate who actually cares what the rest of the world thinks of us.

 

[undercovermom]

Dawn, here's the thread you started:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1896475&page=1&highlight=obama+jerusalem

the article quoted in your first post talks about posters and the holy place, it doesn't talk at all about who paid for the trip to Israel you did ask why there were campaign posters in Israel -- in your second post -- but I don't see the word "taxpayers" anywhere.

that's what concerns me... a perceived outrage against the holy place is trumpeted by Obama's detractors, but a real outrage is ignored because Obama is the victim.

 

[DawnCt1]

Dawn, here's the thread you started:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1896475&page=1&highlight=obama+jerusalem

the article quoted in your first post talks about posters and the holy place, it doesn't talk at all about who paid for the trip to Israel you did ask why there were campaign posters in Israel -- in your second post -- but I don't see the word "taxpayers" anywhere.

that's what concerns me... a perceived outrage against the holy place is trumpeted by Obama's detractors, but a real outrage is ignored because Obama is the victim.

That is the article that contains pictures of the posters. If you note, this is my next post on the subject; I don't believe that I voiced any affront with regard to "holy sites".

Originally Posted by ilisao
"So? It's not as if they were plastered on the wall itself. They were on police barricades."
My response, "Why are there campaign posters in Israel? "
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[CPT Tripss]

Darlin' it's time for you to get out of the deep end of the pool. The guy is still just the presumptive nominee and you're all in a dither.

Maybe you should say after me. "Ooooooooom"

 

[DawnCt1]

Darlin' it's time for you to get out of the deep end of the pool. The guy is still just the presumptive nominee and you're all in a dither.

Maybe you should say after me. "Ooooooooom"

You mean to say that there is a chance he won't be the nominee? We can only hope!

 

[shortbun]

Sorry, I didn't realize Obama is Jewish.

Oh boy, this post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. This one and the one where you called his message to his God, 'litter.'
Is there nothing you won't stoop to? I object.

 

[undercovermom]

That is the article that contains pictures of the posters. If you note, this is my next post on the subject; I don't believe that I voiced any affront with regard to "holy sites".

Originally Posted by ilisao
"So? It's not as if they were plastered on the wall itself. They were on police barricades."
My response, "Why are there campaign posters in Israel? "
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as I said...the tenor of the article was the afrront to the holy place you made only brief commentary, in your second post, which would echo the concerns you posted here in response to my query.

go read Klein's article again. was his concern over the fact that "the taxpayers sponsored that leg of Obama's trip"? nope. the point of the article was to portray Obama as a desecrator of holy places. and therein lies the hypocrisy.

 

[corndog]

Oh boy, this post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. This one and the one where you called his message to his God, 'litter.'
Is there nothing you won't stoop to? I object.

What's wrong with being Jewish? Is there nothing you won't stoop to?

 

[gutterpunk]

What's wrong with being Jewish? Is there nothing you won't stoop to?

Aahhh, you're smarter than all of us. I see it now. We were fooled into thinking your original post was sarcastic ....

 

[Stella3]

Oh boy, this post just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. This one and the one where you called his message to his God, 'litter.'
Is there nothing you won't stoop to? I object.

Well, I won't call his "message" to G-d litter....but I will say this: Do you really think that man thought his "message" would stay personal and private? I think not.