What's with the Jesus skywriting?

[Honu]

I personally dont believe that we came from monkeys or anything else but I do think that humans may have slightly evolved over time to adapt to our enviroment.

All the scientific data is just made up then? That's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

 

[phillybeth]

Lets have a fun tangent.

Is it not possible that ID(a creator) and Evolution can go hand in hand.

IMO, only if our Designer was relatively Unintelligent. If I were to design a species (much less a whole planet full of them) I would do many things differently. It's not too intelligent to put the 'playground' between the sewers for one. Vestigal organs, high energy demands combined with low energy efficiency, relative fragility, suceptibility to disease/injury, I could go on and on.

However, notice I said In My Opinion. Yours may vary, and that's your right. To me, the evidence points to evolution with no 'guiding hand'.

 

[Buckalew11]

Moving on to the creation vs evolution theory is way, way, way over my head. I'll just sit back and watch this one. Glad I went to bed at 9pm last night, LOL.

 

[Groucho]

If James Randi offered to give a million dollars to someone who had verifiable results to show that prayer didnt work, no one would be collecting that money either.

First, it's difficult or impossible to prove a negative. Prove to ME that the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't the TRUE god.

Prove to me that the Mohammed isn't the TRUE god. After all, look what happened on 9/11. Look what's happening in Iraq.

Prove to me that Zeus, Athena, and the rest aren't the TRUE gods.

Secondly, it has been proven, just see that last test I referred to, the ten-year one that found no evidence whatsoever of the effectiveness of prayer.

Carrie, you're making yourself look extremely bad here. You're actually bringing up the anti-evolution thing? Falling for Phillybeth's bait?

You color yourself immediately by making the disgusting and completely incorrect assumption (propagated by the truly evil "intelligent design" architects, who work the faithful like puppets) that evolution means that we "came from monkeys" - that is NOT TRUE. Evolution states that we have a COMMON ANCESTOR. That's very different.

I'm sorry that science disproves taking your little special book literally, but those are the facts. Look at the DNA. Look at the fossil evidence. Look at the way that most Christians, even the pope, have come out against "intelligent design" and behind evolution. Scientists don't have an agenda, they're only interested in research and facts and whatever conclusion they lead them to. Religion gives you their "facts" and you are not free to question them.

Hey, I hope that you're able to see the light and embrace science. Science brought you the computer you're using, the TV you're watching, the medical science that keeps you alive, the car you drive, and the theme park you like going to. Prayer did not bring any of those things. Doctors can keep an injured person alive, a priest/monk/rabbi/faith healer/etc cannot.

OK, this is getting dull again. I only pop into this thread every once in a while, I think I'm done here again. Folks, try reading some Carl Sagan, some Michael Shermer, some James Randi. Relax the locks on your mind. I promise you that life is much more rewarding without those shackles.

 

[phillybeth]

No baiting here I actually enjoy discussing these things. And I am always open to learn. I would actually welcome someone coming up with a well-thought-out, intelligent, rational argument for Creationism or Intelligent Design- one that doesn't fall apart when challanged with fossil and evolutionary evidence and theories.

 

[carrie s]

All the scientific data is just made up then? That's one hell of a conspiracy theory.

If scientific data can show 100% that evolution is true then why is it called"The therory of evolution"?

There is a creationist,Kent Hovind .He said he would pay $250,000 to anyone who could show him real proof of evolution,no one has claimed that money yet.

 

[carrie s]

No baiting here I actually enjoy discussing these things. And I am always open to learn. I would actually welcome someone coming up with a well-thought-out, intelligent, rational argument for Creationism or Intelligent Design- one that doesn't fall apart when challanged with fossil and evolutionary evidence and theories.

I enjoy discussing these things too.I looked up alot of things on evoltion a couple years ago,Alot of the scientific data has been proven false.I will look up the info later,I have to get my kids ready for school now.

 

[salmoneous]

Is it not possible that ID(a creator) and Evolution can go hand in hand.

Of course. The theory of Intelligent Design does not exclude evolution. Whenever wrapped up as science, ID just stays things got started with an outside push, with evolution taking over from there. And while you can argue that evolution isn't responsible for everything, it's pretty much impossible to have a scientific theory that says there is no evolution.

 

[phillybeth]

If scientific data can show 100% that evolution is true then why is it called"The therory of evolution"?

Because that is the scientific method. Unless something can be 100% proven in independant repeated experimentation it is called a theory or a hypothesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

For example: When I was in school it was impossible to culture the bacteria that causes syphillis in culture in the laboratory. So even though there was at least 100 years of evidence that Treponema pallidum caused syphilis, until it could be cultured, known to be a pure strain, and then shown to infect someone causing the same disease, it was only theorized to be the infectious agent in syphillis.

So, until we can terraform a planet and see if life evolves over billions of years, evolution will always be a theory. Just like E=mc2 is a theory.

 

[salmoneous]

IMO, only if our Designer was relatively Unintelligent.

Is it unintelligent, or uncaring and lazy? If you believe that God created man as-is (something I don't) then why give us the pelvis of a knuckle-dragging monkey and a spine designed for upright walking. The discontent between the two has lead to excruciating lower back pain for millions. Why didn't God create a pelvis designed for walking upright rather the reuse a spare part that doesn't fit right? Does God want people to suffer all that pain?

Looking at what a mess we are as a species, I find it hard to believe we are a direct design of God.

 

[phillybeth]

Is it unintelligent, or uncaring and lazy?

Tomato, tomahto

 

[carrie s]

I found this while looking up stuff on evolution.A bit off topic but interesting.


"New scientific revelations about supernovas, black holes, quarks, and the big bang even suggest to some scientists that there is a ‘grand design’ in the universe." (U.S. News & World Re-port, March 31, 1997)

"The universe suddenly exploded into being...The big bang bears an uncanny resemblance to the Genesis command." Jim Holt, Wall Street Journal science writer

 

[Uncle Remus]

First, it's difficult or impossible to prove a negative. Prove to ME that the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't the TRUE god.

Prove to me that the Mohammed isn't the TRUE god. After all, look what happened on 9/11. Look what's happening in Iraq.

Prove to me that Zeus, Athena, and the rest aren't the TRUE gods.

Secondly, it has been proven, just see that last test I referred to, the ten-year one that found no evidence whatsoever of the effectiveness of prayer.

Carrie, you're making yourself look extremely bad here. You're actually bringing up the anti-evolution thing? Falling for Phillybeth's bait?

You color yourself immediately by making the disgusting and completely incorrect assumption (propagated by the truly evil "intelligent design" architects, who work the faithful like puppets) that evolution means that we "came from monkeys" - that is NOT TRUE. Evolution states that we have a COMMON ANCESTOR. That's very different.

I'm sorry that science disproves taking your little special book literally, but those are the facts. Look at the DNA. Look at the fossil evidence. Look at the way that most Christians, even the pope, have come out against "intelligent design" and behind evolution. Scientists don't have an agenda, they're only interested in research and facts and whatever conclusion they lead them to. Religion gives you their "facts" and you are not free to question them.

Hey, I hope that you're able to see the light and embrace science. Science brought you the computer you're using, the TV you're watching, the medical science that keeps you alive, the car you drive, and the theme park you like going to. Prayer did not bring any of those things. Doctors can keep an injured person alive, a priest/monk/rabbi/faith healer/etc cannot.

OK, this is getting dull again. I only pop into this thread every once in a while, I think I'm done here again. Folks, try reading some Carl Sagan, some Michael Shermer, some James Randi. Relax the locks on your mind. I promise you that life is much more rewarding without those shackles.

 

[cardaway]

I found this while looking up stuff on evolution.A bit off topic but interesting.


"New scientific revelations about supernovas, black holes, quarks, and the big bang even suggest to some scientists that there is a ‘grand design’ in the universe." (U.S. News & World Re-port, March 31, 1997)

"The universe suddenly exploded into being...The big bang bears an uncanny resemblance to the Genesis command." Jim Holt, Wall Street Journal science writer

Is that supposed to be the stuff that proves evolution as false?

In not, we're still waiting. Nobody has done it yet, but maybe you will the one that can finally do it.

 

[jimmiej]

OK, this is getting dull again. I only pop into this thread every once in a while, I think I'm done here again. Folks, try reading some Carl Sagan, some Michael Shermer, some James Randi. Relax the locks on your mind. I promise you that life is much more rewarding without those shackles.

You act like Christians are dim-whitted, mindless idiots! I won't speak for anyone else, but I made a conscious decision to become a Christian. I've seen the Light & His name is Jesus! To insinuate Christians are living a "shackled" life is at best condescending & at worst downright rude! IMO, you're making yourself look bad by talking down to people who believe differently! Unless you've experienced the power & love of Jesus Christ, you should refrain from comments like those quoted.

 

[carrie s]

here are some scientific facts:

the stages of man

The nebraska man- this therory was based on a fossilized tooth,scientists thought in was the missing link in human evolution.It turns out that the tooth came from a pig.

java man - in 1891 a skull was found on the island of java.a human like thigh bone was found 50 feet away.With no evidence that the skull was human they called it java man.

the pilydown man - they also called this one the missing link.This proved to be a portion of a human skull pieced together with an orangutan's jaw.Scientists discovered that the teeth had been files down to look like human teeth.

the neanderthal man - Dr.Harvarti from new york university debunked the myth that the neanderthal man was an ancester to man

orce man - in 1982 a skull was found that appered to come from a 17 year old boy.Once again they called this the missing link.It ended up being proven that this skull came from a 4 month old donkey

haeckel's embryos - this view was that a fertilized egg ,as it develops into an embryo goes through all the stages, repeats each of mans evolutionary stages.This has been completly disproved.It was even proven that Haeckel had faked alot of his results.

peppered moth - In England,scientist studied the population trend of both black and gray peppered moths.They claimed that the moths have evolved to survive.This was disproved by Jerry Coyne,an evolution biologist.

 

[phillybeth]

I found this while looking up stuff on evolution.A bit off topic but interesting.


"New scientific revelations about supernovas, black holes, quarks, and the big bang even suggest to some scientists that there is a ‘grand design’ in the universe." (U.S. News & World Re-port, March 31, 1997)

"The universe suddenly exploded into being...The big bang bears an uncanny resemblance to the Genesis command." Jim Holt, Wall Street Journal science writer

Just because there is a discernable pattern does not mean that it was designed, either by a god or by farting elephants. Doesn't mean it wasn't, either.

 

[phillybeth]

here are some scientific facts:

Links please?

Some of these I am familiar with- and ones like Piltdown man were deliberate hoaxes meant to scam people.

Others were once thought to be true but since have been proven not to be. And that is science in action. Cold fusion? Flat earth? The earth as the center of the universe (as stated in the bible)? All those were once proved to be true scientifically- until knowledge and understanding reached a point where we discovered them not to be.

 

[carrie s]

Carl Sagan and other prominment scientist have estimated that the chance of man evolving is roughly 1 in 10 2,000,000,000( the 2,000,000,0000 is suppose to be higher up and alot smaller)This number is 1 with 2 billion zeros.according to Borels law,this is no chance at all.

 

[salmoneous]

Is that supposed to be the stuff that proves evolution as false?

I don't know how she meant it, but I think that type of quote does show that the notion of God and the notion of science aren't incompatible.