What would you improve Disney

[esdras]

Except when they aren't. Say, the first hour. The last three hours. Any night there is a "party." For all that, you already have to be a little more equal than others.

But switching from that to a point where everyone could go into the park and get in the lines, but some folks got more fastpasses is somehow Disney Heresy?

Why is all the non-equal stuff okay except for fastpasses????

Not exactly.

The "Party" nights are an easy answer. Yes, you pay to go to those, and the lines are likely a little shorter due to the limited admission - but once inside, everyone still waits for the rides like everyone else. You really aren't paying for the rides at a party so much as for all the added stuff that has been put into the park for that evening - more characters around, different games - trick or treating, etc. You have paid, but the park is no longer the way it was during the day - it has different "ammenities" and that is what you have paid for.

EMH hours are, admittedly, a little harder to justify. There is no difference in "ammenities" here, but a difference in "advantage" - although you do not have to directly pay to aquire the advantage. You have to stay at a Disney Resort - which can be more expensive - but I don't see EMH tied to people buying their way to the front of the line in the same way.

For example - a value resort during a reasonably good discount can be had for around $65/night with a 20% discount during value season. Admittedly, you can likely get a Motel 6 in Kissimmee for $45 night during the same time period. You will then also have to pay at least $11 for parking each day unless they offer a shuttle.

Anyway, you could also stay at one of the all-suite hotels offsite for around $89/night during the value season. Now, you are paying MORE than you would onsite for value room, but less than a similar quality room onsite. You decided to go for the quality of the room as opposed to the advantage of paying about the same (or less), for a lower quality room and the chance to have EMH access.

Additionally, EMH's are a perk - some people never use them. In '06, on a week long trip, we used it once. A Front of the Line access you paid for - sure, you will use that to its fullest extent.

Once again, a front of the line pass is a two tiered admissions system. Standard Guests pay one rate, Preferred Guests (or Elite Guests, or whatever you want to call them) pay a higher rate. You are now classifying people - I don't agree with this.

At the end of the day - each person who rides Peter Pan, or Pirates, or Soarin', or EE, or whatever - once they get on the ride, everyone gets the SAME ride. You want to allow people to get to do the SAME thing, faster than others by slipping the Mouse a few extra bucks. That just isn't right.

I can't agree with buying an advantage at Disney.

 

[bicker]

One other note: I find it offensive to have these ideas Cool-Beans and I are sharing labeled "un-Disney". Would folks feel okay if I were to label the objections "un-American"? Of course not. So let's dismiss that inflammatory silliness, please. Thanks.

 

[esdras]

That isn't true (and it shouldn't be true). From backstage tours, to hard-ticket events, to Illuminations cruises, and so on; the parks are not equal access today. And I would love to see more and more of this.

BTW, I love having the rare opportunity to agree with Cool-Beans.

Backstage Tour - NOT A RIDE as included with everyone's admission.

Hard Ticket Events - EXTRA AMMENITIES not included normally in the park with everyone's admission.

Illuminations Cruise - NOT A STANDARD RIDE offered throughout the day as part of the standard admission, nor is it the only way that one can see the show. This is like paying for front row seats at a rock concert - an AMMENITY, not an advantage over what everyone else could experience with their regular admission.

Admission gets you access to the park and the rides. A Fast Pass machine gives everyone with some common sense a way to avoid the worst of the lines.

A higher level admission status still makes you a PREFERRED GUEST on the rides, over and above the STANDARD guest on the rides - and that was obtained by paying for the advantage.

I cannot be okay with that.

 

[esdras]

One other note: I find it offensive to have these ideas Cool-Beans and I are sharing labeled "un-Disney". Would folks feel okay if I were to label the objections "un-American"? Of course not. So let's dismiss that inflammatory silliness, please. Thanks.

I have re-read my posts, and I don't think I did so. If, however, I gave that impression, I apologize.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Since people will be bent out of shape over fastpasses but have no problem with being completely excluded from the park, maybe Disney could just extend the hours for the EMHs. Give people two hours in the morning instead of one and do it in all the parks. Then everyone could be happy.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

One other note: I find it offensive to have these ideas Cool-Beans and I are sharing labeled "un-Disney". Would folks feel okay if I were to label the objections "un-American"? Of course not. So let's dismiss that inflammatory silliness, please. Thanks.

Geez...I didn't mean to offend anyone....being a Disney family, we label things as "Disnified" and "un-Disnified" all the time. Ex. that CM we had Beaches and Cream the other night was a little un-Disney, etc....


When I was a kid we were so poor that going to Disney didn't even enter my brain. That was something other people did, not us. I think it's great that there are more budget-friendly options now, and I think there could be more.

And I consider EMH an amenity to staying in the resorts. You get the same EMH if you paid $75 for your value resort than if you paid $1000 for your concierge suite. Paying for front of line is buying an advantage over other people. There are plenty of people that don't use Fastpasses even when they are available to them.

 

[bicker]

Hard Ticket Events - EXTRA AMMENITIES not included normally in the park with everyone's admission.

Front of Line Access is an extra amenity not included normally in the park with everyone's admission.

 

[wardfamily1]

Since people will be bent out of shape over fastpasses but have no problem with being completely excluded from the park, maybe Disney could just extend the hours for the EMHs. Give people two hours in the morning instead of one and do it in all the parks. Then everyone could be happy.

I can see the point esdras' is making. If you stay on Disney property, whether it's in an $89 room or a $450 room, you still get the EMH so things in that rhelm are equal. If they start selling 'Front of the line' tickets, the little guy will be waiting in line all day while the people with big $$$ will be cutting in front of them.

(BTW, I'm not bent out of shape over fastpasses, I just see Esdras' point )

 

[bicker]

being a Disney family, we label things as "Disnified" and "un-Disnified" all the time.

Many folks consider "Disney-fying" something as making it pop-culture-oriented, and expensive.

 

[Cool-Beans]

That isn't true (and it shouldn't be true). From backstage tours, to hard-ticket events, to Illuminations cruises, and so on; the parks are not equal access today. And I would love to see more and more of this.

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BTW, I love having the rare opportunity to agree with Cool-Beans.

Well, you can't be wrong all the time!

I don't get why EMHs are "a perk" or "an amenity" and giving hotel guests fastpasses is not one of those things, but is "an un-Disney advantage". But buying one of those "party" tickets is NOT an advantage.

It seems that so long as Disney just tells non-guests to get the heck out of the park, it's okay. I'd rather have the opportunity to stand in the lines or buy a fastpass than be told I can't be in the park, but I guess I'm in the minority here.

 

[bicker]

I can see the point esdras' is making. If you stay on Disney property, whether it's in an $89 room or a $450 room, you still get the EMH so things in that rhelm are equal.

I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

Another example came to mind: Special safaris limited to concierge guests at the AKL only. And they charge an extra fee (from $55 for the "Sunrise Safari" to $210 for "The Wanyami"). The ultimate front-of-line access for Kilimanjaro Safaris.

If they start selling 'Front of the line' tickets, the little guy will be waiting in line all day while the people with big $$$ will be cutting in front of them.

Not if they charge enough for it. It'll be effectively limited in capacity by its price.

 

[esdras]

Front of Line Access is an extra amenity not included normally in the park with everyone's admission.

No, an ammenity is a nicer version of something - a water slide is an ammenity to a pool.

Front of Line Access is an advantage. It isn't a nicer version of the ride, it is the exact same ride - only faster.

 

[esdras]

I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

Another example came to mind: Special safaris limited to concierge guests at the AKL only. And they charge an extra fee (from $55 for the "Sunrise Safari" to $210 for "The Wanyami"). The ultimate front-of-line access for Kilimanjaro Safaris.

Almost a good example - in a way, it fits - buying the "Special Safari". Fortunately, it's leveled on its own - someone staying as a Concierge Guest at the GF (and paying MORE than the person at AKL) can't get that special tour.

It's geared towards the Animal Kingdom Lodge hotel - it would be akin to offering people staying at CSR the chance to pay for a special tour of the ride at the Mexico Pavillion. You're linking similar themes.

Additionally, I still don't think everyone is understanding what I mean by hard ticket events being an ammenity difference.

The Christmas Pary, MNSSHP, PnP - when those are going on, are the parks in the same condition as they are during the rest of the day when everyone else who has paid a regular admission are there?

No.

There are extra games, characters, and attractions that were NOT THERE during the earlier part of the day.

You are paying for access to those things - extra ammenities added to the park - but while you are there, you get no special advantage over ANYONE ELSE who paid for the same access.

Buying a FotL Pass gives you an advantage over everyone else who paid to get into the park at that time.

And, while I've granted that EMH's are touchy - but not to the same degree - anyone who is there during an EMH, is still getting the same access to the stuff as everyone else eligible to have EMH access.

Edited to add: Would you also approve of a person who bought these FotL passes to use them during a Hard Ticket event - front of the line to the rides then? How about front of the line to the extra games? How about getting their kids ahead of everyone else's kids to the characters? Or how about it guaranteeing your kid gets picked for the Pirate Tutorial during PnP?

How much "advantage" are you willing to let people buy at Disney?

There might be some ammenities that are similar or close to advantages available now for a price - I don't like where FotL can be taken.

 

[disney1990]

Me, too. There is something "unDisney" about buying your way to the front of the line.

Definitely don't agree with paying for front of the line passes. It would create a class system at Disney -- those with money and those without.

I would like to see the parks rotated as adult only parks - each park for one day a week Monday/AK, Tuesday/MK, Wednesday/Epcot/, Thursday/Studios. You get the picture -- it could even be just in the evening.

Don't get me wrong, I love kids and am getting ready to bring my granddaughters back to Disney in June, but an all adult evening in the parks would be a blast!

Bring back Disney standards to everything Disney -- clean bathrooms, no trash in the parks, Cast Members that are trained "old school".

 

[bicker]

You're linking similar themes.

Which is not necessary. That's a trivial (i.e., meaningless and insignificant) factoid of that specific offering, nothing more. Disney is a for-profit enterprise. In the end, that trumps all other considerations: If there is more profit to be made doing as I propose then they shall and should do so.

How much "advantage" are you willing to let people buy at Disney?

As much as makes sense to the Disney Company for them to offer.

 

[DISUNC]

Just because it's morning and this is the only thing that I think about at this hour:

Get rid of that sludge that Disney calls coffee and get something worth drinking!​

Oh, I feel better just getting that off of my chest. Now for another cup of Gevalia.

AMEN to THAT!​

4. Return Main Street to its original status as an attraction. Bring back the Magic Shop, The Penny Arcade ( with the vintage machines it had), the antique store, Silhouette Studio (with Disney CM's running it), Main Street Cinema with Disney movie shorts and show the Walt Disney Story in the Exposition Hall. Gutting all of these attractions to make way for yet another location to buy T-shirts and plushes is totally unnecessary!

-For $120 a Night the "Values" should have a Fridge & Coffee maker in each room.

-In Room Movies

-Build a Onsite Drive In Movie Theatre

-Complete the 00-40's Pop Century. What a Flippen eyesore that is!

-Close Down "Sounds Dangerous" at Disney Studios....Pathetic.

-And get rid of those Creepy TV Hall of Fame Busts. That is a 4th rate off the main Highway attraction.

-Update the Great Movie Ride.

-Close down The Backlot Tour. Never has really worked....especially since you dont see the Golden Girls house anymore!

- Have a Perk program for Frequent Guests. Fast Passes for a day. Upgrade after 5th Resort stay (in the same year) , A Free dinner....SOMETHING for the Loyalists would be nice.

 

[bicker]

I was reading another thread this morning and someone mentioned how much better it was the "ride in the front" of some attractions. That's something that I think can be combined with my earlier ideas for improvements, i.e., the premium Front-of-Queue access they would offer can be made even more valuable (and therefore be more profitable perhaps) by having that grant folks premium "seating" for the attractions as well -- really making it a super-premium service offering. That one, though, I think would present a little bit of a logistical challenge, since it doesn't just piggy-back easily on top of the existing FastPass Return queue facilities already in place.

 

[mickeysgal]

-For $120 a Night the "Values" should have a Fridge & Coffee maker in each room.

-Close Down "Sounds Dangerous" at Disney Studios....Pathetic.

DISUNC: Thank you!

Not sure if this has been said yet or not:

- Remodel Toon Town so that it has the same effect as Toon Town in DL

- Get rid of the Speedway ride. Not only does it take up a huge amount of real estate, it's so Six Flags.

- Bring back the Diamond Horseshoe show. Please.

- Open Discovery Island

- Bring back the Empress Lilly character breakfast

 

[bicker]

I like that last one... getting rid of the "Tomorrowland 'Speed'way". I think that that is the only attraction I actively want to see gone.

 

[rkwells]

- Get rid of the Speedway ride. Not only does it take up a huge amount of real estate, it's so Six Flags.

- Bring back the Diamond Horseshoe show. Please.