What would you have done?

[DCLMP]

I was front and center near ground zero. Our hospitals were crazy overwhelmed, refrigerator trucks 8 miles away, drive by wakes in town.

That wasn’t what I meant by front and center. I was referring to the keyboard warriors who bullied an ranted all day against the unvaxed. Now they are going to try to justify their outrage and bullying by saying they were right. They saved lives by golly. Virtue signaling at its best.

In reality no one knows what what have happened with a “xyz” approach vs an “abc” approach. It’s all just opinion. You cant go back and rewrite history or predict different outcomes.

 

[CdnCarrie]

That wasn’t what I meant by front and center. I was referring to the keyboard warriors who bullied an ranted all day against the unvaxed. Now they are going to try to justify their outrage and bullying by saying they were right. They saved lives by golly. Virtue signaling at its best.

In reality no one knows what what have happened with a “xyz” approach vs an “abc” approach. It’s all just opinion. You cant go back and rewrite history or predict different outcomes.

Fairly certain experts have some idea. It’s not all opinion.
Much is scientific fact.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That wasn’t what I meant by front and center. I was referring to the keyboard warriors who bullied an ranted all day against the unvaxed. Now they are going to try to justify their outrage and bullying by saying they were right. They saved lives by golly. Virtue signaling at its best.

In reality no one knows what what have happened with a “xyz” approach vs an “abc” approach. It’s all just opinion. You cant go back and rewrite history or predict different outcomes.

It helps when you realize you live in your own extremes and I do think you're aware of why you get pushback from people.

I think many of us can discuss reasonably what things did and didn't work within our own community. That said scoffing about the existence of the vaccine and its vital part of the global pandemic is not something you probably want to argue about.

 

[DCLMP]

It helps when you realize you live in your own extremes and I do think you're aware of why you get pushback from people.

I think many of us can discuss reasonably what things did and didn't work within our own community. That said scoffing about the existence of the vaccine and its vital part of the global pandemic is not something you probably want to argue about.

My husband almost lost his job of 30 years for not getting the vaccine. He doesn’t even work with the public. Please don't talk to me about extremes. There’s plenty of blame to go around. Most of us just want the choice to make are own medical decisions regarding what we put in our bodies. Is that really to much to ask? There’s a reason Covid discussions weren’t allowed on this forum. Don’t pretend like their was ever any civility. Trust me I’m well aware of why I get push back from SOME people.

It’s all water under bridge now and hopefully what went the last two years never happens again. The damage to the economy and our kids may be irreversible.

 

[CdnCarrie]

My husband almost lost his job of 30 years for not getting the vaccine. He doesn’t even work with the public. Please don't talk to me about extremes. There’s plenty of blame to go around. Most of us just want the choice to make are own medical decisions regarding what we put in our bodies. Is that really to much to ask? There’s a reason Covid discussions weren’t allowed on this forum. Don’t pretend like their was ever any civility. Trust me I’m well aware of why I get push back from SOME people.

It’s all water under bridge now and hopefully what went the last two years never happens again. The damage to the economy and our kids may be irreversible.

How are your kids damaged because of Covid restrictions? Little bit of hyperbole there.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My husband almost lost his job of 30 years for not getting the vaccine. He doesn’t even work with the public. Please don't talk to me about extremes. There’s plenty of blame to go around. Most of us just want the choice to make are own medical decisions regarding what we put in our bodies. Is that really to much to ask? There’s a reason Covid discussions weren’t allowed on this forum. Don’t pretend like their was ever any civility. Trust me I’m well aware of why I get push back from SOME people.

It’s all water under bridge now and hopefully what went the last two years never happens again. The damage to the economy and our kids may be irreversible.

Most of those posters have discussed the pros and the cons that went on in their area in the past. I have my own thoughts on what went on in my area but that isn't what I would be talking about if I was referring to a person living in their own extremes. Your example of a mandate is not what I was referring to either, it doesn't mean it isn't an example of an extreme but it's not what I was referring to.

Back to the main part the talking points the other posters are/were discussing are about the impacts and value of the existence of the vaccine globally speaking. That is hard to truly argue against regardless of being vaccinated or not.

 

[hrhdhd]

How are your kids damaged because of Covid restrictions? Little bit of hyperbole there.

You're joking, right?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8641925
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmo...e-long-term-impact-on-childrens-mental-health
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17456916231181108
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/09/generation-children-impacted-covid-19-school-closures

School districts have lost track of hundreds of thousands of students. They haven't returned.
https://news.wttw.com/2023/02/09/pandemic-missing-kids-who-didn-t-go-back-school

 

[ronandannette]

This is 100% false. Millions of lives were saved with the vaccine, by allowed the most compromised among us to safely acquire immunity with the vaccine, rather than catching the virus and having to fight the full brunt of a novel virus with much lower immunity.

Please clarify. What immunity did the vaccine provide? Every. Single. Person. I know who was vaccinated and boosted, including everyone in my household, (I personally have taken 5 shots), has contracted Covid. Some more than once. I honestly don't know anyone who hasn't had it, and neither vaccination nor prior infection seems to provide immunity. I wouldn't deny lives were saved by reducing severity - the only people I know who died were two otherwise healty unvaccinated individuals who contracted Delta in 2021. But immunity? No.

 

[Southernmiss]

Myself and 2 of our young adults were vaccinated and boosted and have not had Covid. The young adults were college students during the height of Covid.

Dh caught it. He was miserable for about 4 days. I moved to another bedroom. We kept distance between us in the house that week. I never got it

 

[Dan Murphy]

Myself and 2 of our young adults were vaccinated and boosted and have not had Covid.

I have had my initial two and then 4 boosters over the past 3 years, well, more like 2 years with vaccines. I hope I do not jinx myself but I've not had it. Marie had it once after having the first two, but no boosters.

 

[Dan Murphy]

How are your kids damaged because of Covid restrictions

I do have to agree that kids doing remote have been affected by that time period away from in-class school. However, as has been mentioned a few times in earlier posts regarding other forever unknowns, we will never know what the medical consequences would have been had they not done remote. Speculate? Sure. Know for sure? Never.

 

[DCLMP]

Most of those posters have discussed the pros and the cons that went on in their area in the past. I have my own thoughts on what went on in my area but that isn't what I would be talking about if I was referring to a person living in their own extremes. Your example of a mandate is not what I was referring to either, it doesn't mean it isn't an example of an extreme but it's not what I was referring to.

Back to the main part the talking points the other posters are/were discussing are about the impacts and value of the existence of the vaccine globally speaking. That is hard to truly argue against regardless of being vaccinated or not.

Can you show me the posts where people have discussed what worked and didn’t work in their communities? I have not seen any concessions from the pro-vaccine, pro mask, pro-lockdown, pro-school closure crowd, and pro -mandate crowd. The merits or lack of merits of the vaccine have been discussed at nauseum.

Regardless of all that we do know it caused educational delays and mental health issues in children. Children were never at risk. We do know over all health and age had the biggest effect on outcomes. We do know people lost their jobs over a vaccine that didn’t stop transmission. We do know thousands of small business failed. We do know it led to inflation and supply issues. We do know it divided the country like nothing I’ve ever seen before.

So tell me what would you do differently?

 

[DCLMP]

Please clarify. What immunity did the vaccine provide? Every. Single. Person. I know who was vaccinated and boosted, including everyone in my household, (I personally have taken 5 shots), has contracted Covid. Some more than once. I honestly don't know anyone who hasn't had it, and neither vaccination nor prior infection seems to provide immunity. I wouldn't deny lives were saved by reducing severity - the only people I know who died were two otherwise healty unvaccinated individuals who contracted Delta in 2021. But immunity? No.

Exactly. There was no reason for us to be bullied and threatened with job termination for a vaccine that we didn’t feel the risk was worth the benefit and obviously didn’t stop transmission. Thankfully religious exceptions were granted.

I’m not anti vax. I’m pro being able to make your own medical decisions. I do get a little bitter about the stress it put on my kids and family.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Can you show me the posts where people have discussed what worked and didn’t work in their communities? I have not seen any concessions from the pro-vaccine, pro mask, pro-lockdown, pro-school closure crowd, and pro -mandate crowd. The merits or lack of merits of the vaccine have been discussed at nauseum.

Regardless of all that we do know it caused educational delays and mental health issues in children. Children were never at risk. We do know over all health and age had the biggest effect on outcomes. We do know people lost their jobs over a vaccine that didn’t stop transmission. We do know thousands of small business failed. We do know it led to inflation and supply issues. We do know it divided the country like nothing I’ve ever seen before.

So tell me what would you do differently?

You want me to go back through 2020,2021, 2022 and even 2023? And to threads that are locked or deleted (when the topic was posted as a no no)? I'm sorry you were and are an active participant in these discussions and are aware of what has been discussed so no I won't go down that route. We all know most especially on the Community Board what was discussed in the past (talk about ad nauseum).

But again we were talking about the existence of the vaccine and its role on the pandemic, whether vaccinated or not. All your other talk is feeding into my point about extremes and you knowing what people are talking about so rather than continue I'll just leave it alone for now.

 

[Caseheidi]

I guess it depends on several factors. If you are fully vaccinated, and everyone at the party is as well, I may have attended with a mask on the whole time if it was to be outside and spaced out. If there were people not vaccinated and it was indoors and crowded, I would have stayed home.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Please clarify. What immunity did the vaccine provide? Every. Single. Person. I know who was vaccinated and boosted, including everyone in my household, (I personally have taken 5 shots), has contracted Covid. Some more than once. I honestly don't know anyone who hasn't had it, and neither vaccination nor prior infection seems to provide immunity. I wouldn't deny lives were saved by reducing severity - the only people I know who died were two otherwise healty unvaccinated individuals who contracted Delta in 2021. But immunity? No.

You're saying that the vaccine saves lives by reducing severity. In reality, the virus is providing new information to our immune system so that the virus never progresses to severe illness or death in most people. It allows our bodies to recognize the virus and mount a more effective response, one that even people with a much lower immune response can mount. Also, immunity wanes over time, from both infection and from vaccines, which is why we have boosters...to literally boost our immunity. But vaccines do provide us with a level of immunity to the virus....does that mean we're "immune", no, but immunity has a range when referenced with respect to infectious disease.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

In all this back-and-forth, I just wonder if we had been a united country (and we were divided long before Covid) would we have had a united response to the virus and the the vaccinations? Would more people have gotten them?

 

[dvcgirl67]

In all this back-and-forth, I just wonder if we had been a united country (and we were divided long before Covid) would we have had a united response to the virus and the the vaccinations? Would more people have gotten them?

Yes. But once the disinformation started....and the state vs. state nonsense, it was game over.

 

[CdnCarrie]

You're joking, right?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8641925
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmo...e-long-term-impact-on-childrens-mental-health
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17456916231181108
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/09/generation-children-impacted-covid-19-school-closures

School districts have lost track of hundreds of thousands of students. They haven't returned.
https://news.wttw.com/2023/02/09/pandemic-missing-kids-who-didn-t-go-back-school

No not joking.

My kids are fine and all the ones I know.
It was disappointing to miss stuff but nothing long term traumatizing.

Don’t think our districts “lost kids”. At least never been mentioned up here that I’m aware of. Sounds like a social problem rather than a covid issue.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Exactly. There was no reason for us to be bullied and threatened with job termination for a vaccine that we didn’t feel the risk was worth the benefit and obviously didn’t stop transmission. Thankfully religious exceptions were granted.

I’m not anti vax. I’m pro being able to make your own medical decisions. I do get a little bitter about the stress it put on my kids and family.

My husband lost his job due to covid. Never got it back.
Nothing to do with vaccines just the business was closed.