What will Disney's next set of restrictions be?

SL6827

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What do you think the next round of resale rescritions will entail by Disney? And I wonder how long it will be before they announce.
 

Sandisw

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Honestly, I don’t see any new restrictions anytime soon. I am not sure how much more they can do,

What I do think will happen is they will enhance direct benefits to help with the downturn in sales that could occur in the next few years.

I also could see them adding a program that allows an owner to buy X amount of points that match the number of points they might own of restricted points and then all are eligible.
 

jarestel

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Restrictions have probably reached their effective limits but there are more ways to encourage direct sales.

I'm sure they have been kicking around tiered membership benefits for years where the more points you own (direct of course) the more benefits you will receive. I wouldn't be surprised to see them roll that one out one of these years.

They could also offer some sweet, short term (3-5 years) perks that would apply only to direct purchasers at their new and currently selling resorts. Sort of an additional sales incentive.

Of course, who really knows and I'm sure many would disagree and say DVD would never do this because it would make current owners mad and DVD is too nice to want to put profits ahead of the happiness of DVC members and so forth and so on. But ya just never know!
 
  • Marionnette

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    What do you think the next round of resale rescritions will entail by Disney? And I wonder how long it will be before they announce.
    I think they need to see how effective the current restrictions are before they attempt to tighten the screws further. And that’s going to take a while given that the first of the L14 resorts don’t expire for another 22 years.

    I foresee them sweetening the pot for direct purchasers before they attempt another restriction on resale points.
     

    EM Lawrence

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    I’m curious what else they could potentially take away from resale purchasers? Pool hopping, TOWL, what else?
     

    Eric Smith

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    I’m curious what else they could potentially take away from resale purchasers? Pool hopping, TOWL, what else?
    They can't take away Top of the World Lounge because that is paid for out of dues. They can only take away things that are paid for by direct purchases. I don't know if they could take away Pool Hopping but that would be a very petty move.

    As @Marionnette said above, I think they'll put in more perks or discounts to push people towards buying direct.

    I'd like to see them undo some of the restrictions that have created the two class system within DVC but I realize that is unlikely to happen. I say this as a member of the lower class.
     

    SL6827

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    But I wonder what they could, legally of course, do with more restrictions?
     

    EM Lawrence

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    But I wonder what they could, legally of course, do with more restrictions?
    That’s what I am wondering. I agree about the pool hopping. But I think some people do take advantage of it. I could see if being fun for a resort only stay.
     

    zakdavid

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    Umm... Didn't they ALREADY kill pool hopping? You need to use your magic band to enter most pools now, don't you? And they don't allow hopping to any pool expect the satanic clown pool at Boardwalk, correct?
    yah
    Pool hopping is not available at the following pools at any time—with no exceptions to this policy:
    • Bay Lake Tower at Disney's Contemporary Resort – Bay Cove Pool
    • Disney's Art of Animation Resort – pools
    • Disney’s Beach Club Villas – leisure pool
    • Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort & Spa – pools
    • Disney's Polynesian Village Resort – The Lava Pool and leisure pool
    • Disney's Riviera Resort - Riviera Pool and Beau Soleil Pool
    • Disney’s Wilderness Lodge – Boulder Ridge Cove Pool and The Copper Creek Springs Pool
    • Disney's Yacht Club Resort and Disney’s Beach Club Resort – Stormalong Bay
    Sourse: https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/discounts-perks-offers/recreation-relaxation/pools/
     

    skier_pete

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    My greatest fear - and part of the reason I bought a final (third) contract last year - is that they change the booking window for resale. For instance - direct books at 11 months at home resort, resale books at 9 months. This is something they could easily do within the current service too without even re-writing anything. (The only thing that you are guaranteed as owners is that you will have at least a one month home advantage.

    Anyways, the second they do that type of restriction - I would no longer buy resale and I would never recommend it. Imagine being restricted to your home resort (like at Riviera) and not being able to book there when everyone else can? You might as well throw the resale business in the trash.

    That said, I have no idea what Disney could do next and when they would do it. I still consider the latest one a "shoot yourself in the foot" worthy idea, yet they did it. Remember, resale restrictions are about stopping people from buying resale, it's about SELLING direct contracts. Disney can never stop resale contracts from being sold. However, one of the great benefits of DVC is that your contract actually stays being worth something - it's a selling point for paying the prices you have to pay. That's why I think the latest restriction hurts them in the long wrong - it will drop resale values, which means people will more seriously consider resale if you can get a contract that cheap.
     

    EM Lawrence

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    My greatest fear - and part of the reason I bought a final (third) contract last year - is that they change the booking window for resale. For instance - direct books at 11 months at home resort, resale books at 9 months. This is something they could easily do within the current service too without even re-writing anything. (The only thing that you are guaranteed as owners is that you will have at least a one month home advantage.

    Anyways, the second they do that type of restriction - I would no longer buy resale and I would never recommend it. Imagine being restricted to your home resort (like at Riviera) and not being able to book there when everyone else can? You might as well throw the resale business in the trash.

    That said, I have no idea what Disney could do next and when they would do it. I still consider the latest one a "shoot yourself in the foot" worthy idea, yet they did it. Remember, resale restrictions are about stopping people from buying resale, it's about SELLING direct contracts. Disney can never stop resale contracts from being sold. However, one of the great benefits of DVC is that your contract actually stays being worth something - it's a selling point for paying the prices you have to pay. That's why I think the latest restriction hurts them in the long wrong - it will drop resale values, which means people will more seriously consider resale if you can get a contract that cheap.
    If they made this kind of change, I wonder if current resale owners would be grandfathered in under the current policy?
     

    ofcabbagesandkings

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    It would be shortsighted for DVC to restrict the use of resale contracts further. A resale purchaser may have gotten their contract for less points, but they are still spending money on tickets, food, souvenirs, etc. Anything that would encourage resale purchasers to take more trips thus spending more money would be smart . Frankly, I think the first thing they should do is allow resale buyers to book at Riviera because the points pool from all the cancelled 2020 trips is going to be huge.
     

    SL6827

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    My greatest fear - and part of the reason I bought a final (third) contract last year - is that they change the booking window for resale. For instance - direct books at 11 months at home resort, resale books at 9 months. This is something they could easily do within the current service too without even re-writing anything. (The only thing that you are guaranteed as owners is that you will have at least a one month home advantage.

    Anyways, the second they do that type of restriction - I would no longer buy resale and I would never recommend it. Imagine being restricted to your home resort (like at Riviera) and not being able to book there when everyone else can? You might as well throw the resale business in the trash.

    That said, I have no idea what Disney could do next and when they would do it. I still consider the latest one a "shoot yourself in the foot" worthy idea, yet they did it. Remember, resale restrictions are about stopping people from buying resale, it's about SELLING direct contracts. Disney can never stop resale contracts from being sold. However, one of the great benefits of DVC is that your contract actually stays being worth something - it's a selling point for paying the prices you have to pay. That's why I think the latest restriction hurts them in the long wrong - it will drop resale values, which means people will more seriously consider resale if you can get a contract that cheap.
    Yes, changing the booking windows would be major for those who like to sleep around. This would be a major game changer.
     

    RoseGold

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    Future DVC is a funny thought now, but all future DVC will be locked down like RIV. There will be blue class, white class, pink class, yellow class...

    The product we all bought into just won't exist anymore. It's my hope that makes the old resorts more valuable.
     

    DougEMG

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    Resale restrictions have only limited effectiveness. At the end of the day, the value of DVC is in the ability to save money on a room over the cash rate for that room. That is what will always set a floor on the value of a resale contract. If DVC somehow destroyed the resale value of contracts to pennies on the dollar like other timeshares, I would laugh at them and buy more contracts resale. I wouldn't mind owning at VGF or BCV or POLY; maybe even points at each resort.

    A much better approach is providing benefits that only direct owners get and then make them of limited time. As an example, for each 100 points you buy direct, you get one extra FP per day for the next 3 years.
     

    Hopfather28

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    To be perfectly honest I don't believe they'll do much more in the way of restrictions. Surely there are direct benefits that they could ADD but restricting more would be bad business in many ways. Why do I say this? Think about what ACTUALLY costs the most money at Disney. While accommodations are expensive, food and drink and tickets and...well younger the upsell idea. Discouraging people from purchasing a contract which thereby encourages them to travel to Disney because "they already paid for it" would mean discouraging people from spending $15 bucks on a fast food meal. Discouraging individuals from dropping $60 bucks a head to sit in Cinderella's castle. I just personally think as much as resale may not help Disney the same as direct purchasing, it definitely helps them.
     

    Toonses

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    Another nice perk that would cost them nothing would be to allow a limited # of ADR ahead of the 180 day window (so maybe at the 210 day mark) for a direct purchaser. Say one or two per week of stay, depending on how the numbers work out.
     

    Toonses

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    My greatest fear - and part of the reason I bought a final (third) contract last year - is that they change the booking window for resale. For instance - direct books at 11 months at home resort, resale books at 9 months. This is something they could easily do within the current service too without even re-writing anything. (The only thing that you are guaranteed as owners is that you will have at least a one month home advantage.

    Anyways, the second they do that type of restriction - I would no longer buy resale and I would never recommend it. Imagine being restricted to your home resort (like at Riviera) and not being able to book there when everyone else can? You might as well throw the resale business in the trash.

    That said, I have no idea what Disney could do next and when they would do it. I still consider the latest one a "shoot yourself in the foot" worthy idea, yet they did it. Remember, resale restrictions are about stopping people from buying resale, it's about SELLING direct contracts. Disney can never stop resale contracts from being sold. However, one of the great benefits of DVC is that your contract actually stays being worth something - it's a selling point for paying the prices you have to pay. That's why I think the latest restriction hurts them in the long wrong - it will drop resale values, which means people will more seriously consider resale if you can get a contract that cheap.
    Are they able to mess w booking windows on existing contracts or is it written into the contract?
     

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