WHAT?!? Mexico's military crossed our border???

[monsterkitty]

Is my reading comprehension waaaaaaaaaay down???
It appears that I missed the part where a cross-over into our air space became a border dispute. Could someone point me in the right direction?

It never does say the cross-over became a border dispute. However, it appears that some here would like to create the border dispute.

 

[LuvOrlando]

This seriously is unreal. Funny how more effort is being put into me then the issue which is much more important. Very curious.

I don't even know how to answer the confused questions about border disputes because I don't think anyone anywhere actually said there was one. The point of this thread is the event is being ignored. In order for a dispute to exist there would have to be a pretty spectacular flare up. I don't know how anyone goes from ignored to an escalation like that but to each their own I guess. Are you talking about when I mentioned one of the reasons for the development of the UN decades ago?

I also don't know what to make of people who are more interested in being right in a odd little internet conversation than in thinking about who what and why this even even happened. I mean so much effort is being spent on addressing me and telling me it's a non-issue I think it makes my point even more profound.

Those of you say it's no big deal, can I ask how you make sense of the fact our country is spending billions we don't have in our airports & revamping our passports while ignoring a non FAA cleared foreign nation military weapon cruising our suburbs. This is my point, I've been all over with lots of little tangents but seriously, this is the point and has been my only real point since the start of this thread. Really, how do you reconcile it in a reasonable way? I simply can't so if you have any points that would help me make sense of the disparity I'd really like to know. Telling me Mexico are our friends just isn't enough so if there is something else...

 

[sunnyday123]

This seriously is unreal. Funny how more effort is being put into me then the issue which is much more important. Very curious.

I don't even know how to answer the confused questions about border disputes because I don't think anyone anywhere actually said there was one. The point of this thread is the event is being ignored. In order for a dispute to exist there would have to be a pretty spectacular flare up. I don't know how anyone goes from ignored to an escalation like that but to each their own I guess. Are you talking about when I mentioned one of the reasons for the development of the UN decades ago?

I also don't know what to make of people who are more interested in being right in a odd little internet conversation than in thinking about who what and why this even even happened. I mean so much effort is being spent on addressing me and telling me it's a non-issue I think it makes my point even more profound.

Those of you say it's no big deal, can I ask how you make sense of the fact our country is spending billions we don't have in our airports while ignoring a non FAA cleared foreign nation military weapon cruising our sub-urbs. This is my point, I've been all over with lots of little tangents but seriously, this is the point. Really, how do you reconcile it in a reasonable way? I simply can't so if you have any points that would help me make sense of the disparity I'd really like to know. Telling me Mexico are our friends just isn't enough in my book so if there is something else...

I don't think they are totally ignoring it. Seems they too just think it's not that big of a deal.

Also, suburbs is one word, not hyphenated.

 

[LuvOrlando]

K, got the typo

 

[saradela]

Anyway, I dont think that one helicopter is much a threat to USA, and its about 1 mile, the incusion, probably is hard to stop and push the brakes when you are in persute, so by know the person that they were in persute, is already on the USA....There have been a lot of Mexican incursions ( I think personaly that they shoudnt cross the border, because they can be shot by the USA soldiers, and they are reasking their lives, but then again they are working at least to put bad guys away) , but there have been also some from the USA to Mexico, but thats a problem in almost all the borders in the world, because some how, weapons keep apering in Mexico, so this was in a newspaper....

MEXICO CITY - Mexico's top diplomat suggested Thursday that American soldiers disguised as Mexican troops may have been in the military-style Humvee filmed earlier this week protecting a marijuana shipment on the border.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez also told a news conference that U.S. soldiers had helped drug smugglers before. However, he offered no evidence.

The U.S. Embassy in Mexico made no immediate comment on Derbez's claims...

Derbez said Thursday that the men photographed by Texas law enforcement could have been Americans.

"Members of the U.S. Army have helped protect people who were processing and transporting drugs," Derbez said. "And just as that has happened ... it is very probable that something like that could have happened, that in reality they were members of some of their groups disguised as Mexican soldiers with Humvees."

Three U.S. soldiers have pleaded guilty to running a cocaine smuggling ring from a U.S. base in Colombia, and a fourth is being tried in Texas this week.

 

[PixieDust32]

The name of the movie was Signs.

 

[LuvOrlando]

That's very interesting. Thank you for being serious. I do read allot but don't come across many of these stories that you seem familiar with. Even though these are national stories do you seem to find them in local papers instead? If so, which ones seem to report this stuff. I would totally add them to my weekly rounds.

I happen to live in Pennsylvania but what is going on down South is a concern to me anyway.

 

[saradela]

In Mexican News papers but there are in spanish. Probably it easier if you find them in internet, and ask to be translated with an internet program. The name of the Newspapers are:
Excelsior
Reforma
El Heraldo

I belive the best is Excelsior, then Reforma.

 

[Boxley]

That's very interesting. Thank you for being serious. I do read allot but don't come across many of these stories that you seem familiar with. Even though these are national stories do you seem to find them in local papers instead? If so, which ones seem to report this stuff. I would totally add them to my weekly rounds.

I happen to live in Pennsylvania but what is going on down South is a concern to me anyway.

I find it laughable how you point out the inaccuracy of the American educational system and throughout this thread your messages have a lot of spelling and grammar typos that I am sure were not thought of as you hurriedly typed your responses.

 

[Planogirl]

U.S. shrugs off sighting of Mexican helicopter
By LYNN BREZOSKY and GARY MARTIN
SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS
March 12, 2010, 10:45PM

BROWNSVILLE — U.S. officials Friday downplayed the sighting of a Mexican military helicopter hovering as long as 20 minutes over a residential area north of the Texas border this week, saying the incursion didn't cause alarm even though it hadn't been cleared in advance.

U.S. agencies could offer no reports of a follow-up investigation and no indication whether a Mexican explanation had been asked for or given. Gov. Rick Perry's office released a statement late Friday, however, saying the state was working with Customs and Border Protection to investigate.

U.S. officials familiar with the incident, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was not a joint training exercise.

“We made the proper notifications and the helicopter did cross back into Mexico and that was the extent of it, really,” Laredo-based Customs and Border Protection spokesman Rick Pauza said Friday.

Customs officers spotted the aircraft at about 5 p.m. Tuesday about a mile into U.S. airspace over Falcon Heights. The incursion was “brief,” lasting possibly “15 to 20 minutes,” Pauza said.

A spokesman for the Mexican ministry of defense did not immediately respond to an inquiry about the incident.

It sounds like US officials either didn't know about this ahead of time but don't care all that much or they did know and don't want to say so. Rick Perry investigating is likely just grandstanding on his part which is something he does often.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I find it laughable how you point out the inaccuracy of the American educational system and throughout this thread your messages have a lot of spelling and grammar typos that I am sure were not thought of as you hurriedly typed your responses.

I don't see any contribution towards the topic at hand here, but let me digress for a moment since you beg it of me.

To me, content is ALWAYS more important than spelling, and handwriting for that matter. Who cares if your handwriting, spelling & grammar are perfect if you don't have anything worth saying? In fact, since I've been on the DIS I have pretty much always taken issue with the people who go around with their little red pens taking swipes at other people for mundane issues like spelling and grammar. Some people get really hurt by you but I'm not one of them. There seem to be a lot of you and I just don't get why any of you do it, but everyone needs a hobby, right? I don't do it, I won't do it and I think it's a power grab meant to marginalize other people.... not exactly up there on the nice list.

Enjoy your hobby but to quote Soundgarden, "Keep it off my wave". Not cool.

 

[DawnCt1]

Sorry, but that statement is a joke. The border patrol is infiltrated with corruption just as badly as the Mexican police. I grew up in Brownsville, one of the towns referenced in the original article. My house was literally blocks from the levee. It's a free for all down there. It was common knowledge back then that a significant portion of border agents were on the take. And, the number of corrupt agents has risen significantly today. It's simple they do what the drug lords want them to do, or their family is targeted.

The flaw is this entire thread is the assumption that these American border towns are indeed American. Spend a day in Brownsville and you'll see that it is an extension of Mexico. Drug battles occur there monthly, if not more frequently. Stray bullets have made there way into residential neighborhoods. Neighborhoods occupied by little old ladies, like my mom, who blindly believe that their quiet little town is still safe.

Just a couple questions you may not have thought about. How many border patrol agents have illegal aliens living with them right now? How many border patrol agents have dual citizenship because their parents are Mexican citizens? How many border patrol agents have direct ties to the drug cartels? The answers are a motherload, the majority or a whole freakin' lot.

I've got news for you all. Our border towns became little Mexico 40 years ago. None of this is anything new. San Antonio is the new Mexican border in Texas. And, it's slowly creeping north. Anything south is San Antonio IS Mexico.

If what you are saying is true, and I do not doubt you for an instant, then something seriously has to change. A clean sweep of the border patrol and the area that they are charged with protecting is long over due. With the unemployment rate as high as it is, there shouldn't be a problem finding good men and women willing and able to do the job. Now we just have to develop the political will to be sure that it is done.

 

[DawnCt1]

Please!! Why would either government feel the need to tell everyone about all their joint investigations?

Some of you are making a political discussion out of a molehill.

Why? Because if I saw an aircraft from a foreign country over my house with no explanation, I would sure as heck be entitled to an answer. Are you kidding?

 

[DawnCt1]

Maybe you should make a call to the White House, because obviously you know more than anyone else about this situation. But I have to ask, do you seriously think Mexico is trying to invade? Maybe that's why DD has been taking Spanish since 1st grade! They knew all along! It's a conspiracy!!!

Or maybe we could just declare war against them, since they flew into foreign airspace. Because we never do that. Ever.




Wasn't that the one were the little girl left all the glasses of water out?

Frankly I would be happy to take over one oil well for every 1000 illegal aliens and even then I don't think we would break even. How about sealing the border. BTW, Mexico doesn't have to INVADE. Half of their country is already here.

 

[LuvOrlando]

In Mexican News papers but there are in spanish. Probably it easier if you find them in internet, and ask to be translated with an internet program. The name of the Newspapers are:
Excelsior
Reforma
El Heraldo

I belive the best is Excelsior, then Reforma.

Thank you for the names. I am kind of techie impaired but I'll see if my DH can help me. I generally like hearing the news from other countries because it's refreshing to hear what others have to say with all the filters off.

If the problem is so bad that people in our uniforms are purposefully engaging in criminal acts then why aren't they being rounded up and sent to jail? This goes both ways, we can't have a lawless region of the country and gov't running amok. Why isn't anyone dealing with this? Every time I hear about something happening down there it's awful. Kidnappings for ransom, deaths, the crime... why isn't it being addressed? I would never ever go anywhere near that part of the world including southern California and southern Texas.... it seems there is no government on either side of the border in either country. I feel really bad for everyone stuck living with the state of things.

To me the US is seems like a mansion owner who owns a multi million dollar security system with bars on all the windows but who seems to be ignoring the fact someone is sneaking in an open basement window and running a meth lab from it.

 

[DawnCt1]

Hey, if Mexico flies a Navy helicopter over the border to help keep crime that has spilled over our border down then I am all for it.

The gangs in your area are funded by drug money. Where are the drugs coming from? This is not a trick question. The drug money crossed the borders many years ago and that is more dangerous than a Mexican Navy helicopter.

Would we rather have one navy helicopter fly over US soil, or would we rather have the boodbaths that are going on in Mexico?

How about neither?
One helicopter? Its seems like there actually is a pattern here.

A U.S. Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint Sunday night by members of the Mexican military who had crossed the border into Arizona, but the soldiers returned to Mexico without incident when backup agents responded to assist.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/06/soldiers-cross-into-us-hold-guns-to-agent/

Mexican Army Crossing Border, Again!
The Mexican Army is crossing the border along Rio Grande to assist drug smugglers.

Just turn your head and do not pay attention. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=02c_1204722898

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43754INVASION USA
Mexican army escorts
border drug-runners
Minutemen, U.S. officials say military
directs illegals to avoid Arizona patrols

 

[monsterkitty]

If what you are saying is true, and I do not doubt you for an instant, then something seriously has to change. A clean sweep of the border patrol and the area that they are charged with protecting is long over due. With the unemployment rate as high as it is, there shouldn't be a problem finding good men and women willing and able to do the job. Now we just have to develop the political will to be sure that it is done.

You're right, there are many good men and women who would gladly take the job. In fact, I bet many of the border patrol agents who have become currupt were once "good" men and women who would have never thought they would work for the drug lords. However, show thousands of dollars to the border agents who are barely making enough to support their families and you evently wear them down. If the offer of money doesn't work, all the drug lords have to do is threaten to kill their family and you suddenly have border agents who are working for the wrong side.

There is no easy answer.

 

[LuvOrlando]

That is a good point. Our unemployment rate is staggeringly high. Maybe some new people in those jobs would be disruptive enough to prevent the business from remaining profitable. It isn't too hard to scare one new person into submission but if the hive were to be disturbed well then there might be a chance.

I can't see leaving the good people in these regions to deal with it on their own.. and I mean the good people on both sides of the border. If both sides of the military have been infiltrated then it's way too big for the locals. How is it we have what seems to be another entirely different machine at work in our southern region?

I seem to remember some of the municipalities down there in the Southern US being headed by people with questionable ties. Don't we have people who are supposed to be taking care of this? Shouldn't this be front and center?

I did notice when Jennifer Aniston had her Televised birthday bash from Mexico that she was very deliberate in saying the people there need visitors. It made me think that I am not the only person who won't go there due to the crime. I wonder if the travel dollar losses might be enough to get some other powerful people fight back?

 

[Simba's Mom]

Sorry, but that statement is a joke. The border patrol is infiltrated with corruption just as badly as the Mexican police. I grew up in Brownsville, one of the towns referenced in the original article. My house was literally blocks from the levee. It's a free for all down there. It was common knowledge back then that a significant portion of border agents were on the take. And, the number of corrupt agents has risen significantly today. It's simple they do what the drug lords want them to do, or their family is targeted.

The flaw is this entire thread is the assumption that these American border towns are indeed American. Spend a day in Brownsville and you'll see that it is an extension of Mexico. Drug battles occur there monthly, if not more frequently. Stray bullets have made there way into residential neighborhoods. Neighborhoods occupied by little old ladies, like my mom, who blindly believe that their quiet little town is still safe.

Just a couple questions you may not have thought about. How many border patrol agents have illegal aliens living with them right now? How many border patrol agents have dual citizenship because their parents are Mexican citizens? How many border patrol agents have direct ties to the drug cartels? The answers are a motherload, the majority or a whole freakin' lot.

I've got news for you all. Our border towns became little Mexico 40 years ago. None of this is anything new. San Antonio is the new Mexican border in Texas. And, it's slowly creeping north. Anything south is San Antonio IS Mexico.

AustinTink, both DH and I work in Brownsville, and for the most part, I agree with what you're saying. Recently there was a drug shoot-out on the Mexican side of the border, and cars in the parking lot at the local university in Brownsville were hit with bullets. Good thing it was only cars, not people!
However, not to panic people from driving to Brownsville, unless you're really close to the border (and unfortunately I work a block from one of the bridges to Mexico), it's pretty safe for the most part. But "little Mexico" is an accurate description, especially as you drive down the Main Streets and try to read the signs on the buildings!

 

[eliza61]

I also don't know what to make of people who are more interested in being right in a odd little internet conversation than in thinking about who what and why this even even happened. I mean so much effort is being spent on addressing me and telling me it's a non-issue I think it makes my point even more profound.

Those of you say it's no big deal, can I ask how you make sense of the fact our country is spending billions we don't have in our airports & revamping our passports while ignoring a non FAA cleared foreign nation military weapon cruising our suburbs. This is my point, I've been all over with lots of little tangents but seriously, this is the point and has been my only real point since the start of this thread. Really, how do you reconcile it in a reasonable way? I simply can't so if you have any points that would help me make sense of the disparity I'd really like to know. Telling me Mexico are our friends just isn't enough so if there is something else...

Who said it was ignored?? Once again the article I read said the US was aware of the helicopter. So is your beef that it wasn't made an bigger issue?

I still can't reconcile how this warrants a UN intervention. For all we know (and I don't think the military has any obligation to tell the general public every thing they know) the issue has been investigated.

Sorry even with 3 years of social studies and a few college debate class on foreign relations I'm still firmly in the "this is still one big yawn" camp.

I'll move on.