What is the ONE thing you would change about DVC, DVC rules?

[pzw90]

I saw someone post 14 confirmed reservations for rent today at 2 of my home reports that are extremely hard to book.

I’m sure “something came up and they can’t use their reservation, their loss is your gain”

 

[juliebee]

I would change that OTU points could be purchased/used for reservations at the 11 month mark, not just a 7 months or less.

 

[supercarrie]

I'm trying to remmeber who does this. I think Hilton? I also don't remember getting a map so much as a short list of (some of) the rooms.

Bonvoy (Marriott/Starwood) does not unless I am missing something---entirely possible.

And,TBH, I'd rather not have one more thing I have arrange my morning around to be online at 8AM on the dot. Disney has enough of those already.

Hilton does this in their app. You can log in (sometimes even a day or so in advance, depending on the property) and see the pre-selected room they have already assigned, or pick a different room (of the same room type) based on what is available. It shows up on a map of the hotel, with a floorplan map. They often have the upsell rooms in there, too.

I don't *think* it is something that has a fixed time associated with it. I've received the push notifications at some very odd times, so I assumed it was whenever the room assigner was in the system.

I am Hilton Diamond status, so I tend to ignore the room assignment option in the app and stop by the front desk for a possible better upgrade, but definitely appreciate the option when I have a late flight and just want to go straight to my room.

I don't expect Disney IT to offer something like this for a whole host of reasons, but it is one of my favorite things about Hilton.

 

[TCRAIG]

I’d like to be able to purchase OTU points myself and bypass calling MS.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I don't see why it's so difficult for them to research who is a commercial renter, someone who has a buttload of points who rents them all out for 3 years or more or rents out a majority for longer is a red flag. They should be flagged and patterns should be watched. Someone "normal", especially when they buy a new contract, it's because they want/need more points most likely for their upcoming vacations not just rent it year after year right away. Renting should be used as a "you know what we've done Disney for the past two years, let's go somewhere else this year and then continue with Disney the following year." Punishing regular families by limiting their transfers is not the way. When Disney wants to crack down on things they do.

Just because a reservation is in the name of someone else does not mean that it has been rented. You could be sending friends and family.

I’d like them to lower the maximum number of points you can own. Additionally they can put limitations on LLC ownerships - companies DONT need to move their reservations that often. Nor do they need to transfer their points between memberships.

 

[Orbiter_Fan]

This likely falls under the umbrella of impossible, but it'd be neat if at regular intervals - say every 5 years of ownership - you could book one stay (7 nights or less) at the 11 month window at a non-home resort.

 

[Girlstar30]

Just because a reservation is in the name of someone else does not mean that it has been rented. You could be sending friends and family.

I’d like them to lower the maximum number of points you can own. Additionally they can put limitations on LLC ownerships - companies DONT need to move their reservations that often. Nor do they need to transfer their points between memberships.

Yeah but if it happens every year with all of your points in multiple people's names and you own an excess amount of points, thats a red flag that should be monitored.

 

[sethschroeder]

I'm trying to remmeber who does this. I think Hilton? I also don't remember getting a map so much as a short list of (some of) the rooms.

Bonvoy (Marriott/Starwood) does not unless I am missing something---entirely possible.

And,TBH, I'd rather not have one more thing I have arrange my morning around to be online at 8AM on the dot. Disney has enough of those already.

Pretty much every Hilton brand gives you a full map of their resort and all the floors.

 

[TCRAIG]

Pretty much every Hilton brand gives you a full map of their resort and all the floors.

They also don’t run at 100% capacity, have a lot of guests that stay longer than a couple days and have as wide a variety of room types as our DVC. Hiltons Timeshare product (HGVC) does not let you pick a room…unless that’s something they just added.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I’m going to add a direct Use Year Swap Program where people can request to swap to a different use year and if someone else with the same number of points also makes a request that matches then Disney will preform the swap.

 

[Sandisw]

I don't see why it's so difficult for them to research who is a commercial renter, someone who has a buttload of points who rents them all out for 3 years or more or rents out a majority for longer is a red flag. They should be flagged and patterns should be watched. Someone "normal", especially when they buy a new contract, it's because they want/need more points most likely for their upcoming vacations not just rent it year after year right away. Renting should be used as a "you know what we've done Disney for the past two years, let's go somewhere else this year and then continue with Disney the following year." Punishing regular families by limiting their transfers is not the way. When Disney wants to crack down on things they do.

Because of this being a contract thing, and someone that is allowed under law…renting your timeshare….DVC has to make sure that the enforcement of the commercial purpose clause crosses all its Ts and dots is Is.

Even on these boards, there is a very wide range of definitions of what that is ( not getting into any of that here)

So, the board has to find a way to update things to find lanugags and most importantly enforcement ways to do it that doesn’t step on someone’s right to rent reservations vs crossing the line.

From what we have been told, they are actively working on updates and enforcement.

The first hint of this is the change to the transfer rules….no longer allowing owners to move points among their own memberships more than once because that was certainly a behavior those using DVC as a business use.

Now, there are owners of multiple memberships who arent going to like them going back to one in or out rule for all.

But if stopping inappropriate use of a membership for commercial purposes is the goal, then typical owners will be caught in the net, and that is going to take them time.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I’m going to add a direct Use Year Swap Program where people can request to swap to a different use year and if someone else with the same number of points also makes a request that matches then Disney will preform the swap.

This is a cool idea. So many people buy without understanding UY, also people lives change so the travel dates may change as well.

 

[Stargazer65]

The ability to reserve wherever and whenever I want.

Of course, other folks would occasionally get bumped and whine about "having the reservation before me", so DVC would have to respond with:

 

[Mouseforward]

I don't see why it's so difficult for them to research who is a commercial renter, someone who has a buttload of points who rents them all out for 3 years or more or rents out a majority for longer is a red flag. They should be flagged and patterns should be watched. Someone "normal", especially when they buy a new contract, it's because they want/need more points most likely for their upcoming vacations not just rent it year after year right away. Renting should be used as a "you know what we've done Disney for the past two years, let's go somewhere else this year and then continue with Disney the following year." Punishing regular families by limiting their transfers is not the way. When Disney wants to crack down on things they do.

The AI tech exists so it is just WDW choosing not to use it. You can easily write an algorithm to identify commercial use. If they caught up a legit user , just have them prove it is a household member. Someone reported that they were questioned by DVC once they dumped a lot of the banked rental points they got in a resale contract on the market. They explained and it was no issue.

In addition they need officer/trustee transparency on all LLC or trust listings - require individual names and FINCEN IDs on accounts and block anyone but the named person from billing / payment / modifications.

This would not affect legit estate planning but would expose owners with multiple LLCs / trusts.

 

[Girlstar30]

Because of this being a contract thing, and someone that is allowed under law…renting your timeshare….DVC has to make sure that the enforcement of the commercial purpose clause crosses all its Ts and dots is Is.

Even on these boards, there is a very wide range of definitions of what that is ( not getting into any of that here)

So, the board has to find a way to update things to find lanugags and most importantly enforcement ways to do it that doesn’t step on someone’s right to rent reservations vs crossing the line.

From what we have been told, they are actively working on updates and enforcement.

The first hint of this is the change to the transfer rules….no longer allowing owners to move points among their own memberships more than once because that was certainly a behavior those using DVC as a business use.

Now, there are owners of multiple memberships who arent going to like them going back to one in or out rule for all.

But if stopping inappropriate use of a membership for commercial purposes is the goal, then typical owners will be caught in the net, and that is going to take them time.

Hopefully they work it out so members just trying to book for themselves or family can transfer in and out more than once to complete their reservation

 

[Sandisw]

Hopefully they work it out so members just trying to book for themselves or family can transfer in and out more than once to complete their reservation

I would not expect that to come back.....that was never officially a rule....it was something that they did as a courtesy and honestly, only something that has been allowed over the past 3 to 4 years?

That is why when deciding to have more than one membership, one needs to realize that certain rules can change, and transfers is one of them.....the good news is that we now have the ability to transfer banked and borrowed points which, as a whole is a plus!

 

[cruisehopeful]

.the good news is that we now have the ability to transfer banked and borrowed points which, as a whole is a plus!

I had no idea that we could transfer banked/borrowed. Not sure if I will ever need that, but I am definitely happy that it's an option.

 

[Sandisw]

I had no idea that we could transfer banked/borrowed. Not sure if I will ever need that, but I am definitely happy that it's an option.

This is part of the new rules that were done in December.

 

[Cfabar1]

I'm trying to remmeber who does this. I think Hilton? I also don't remember getting a map so much as a short list of (some of) the rooms.

Bonvoy (Marriott/Starwood) does not unless I am missing something---entirely possible.

And,TBH, I'd rather not have one more thing I have arrange my morning around to be online at 8AM on the dot. Disney has enough of those already.

Yes, Hilton does this (I believe at select properties, at select times). I can't recall Hyatt or Marriott Bonvoy allowing this...

I think Disney is best served with the opaque practices they use for room selection. I can't imagine how tough it would be for those poor CMs otherwise...

 

[Cfabar1]

Alright, after reading 6 pages, here are mine... I have three wishes Genie!

@AstroBlasters is completely right.... the room refurb schedule is not adequate.... these hotels run at 90%+ capacity.... I would argue soft goods every 4 years, full refurb every 8.... And some of the older properties need a true full refurb.... drywall style, doors, etc. Yes, my dues will go up. No, I don't care, and I don't know why Disney does either....

The pools need to be reexamined.... These properties had state of the art pools when they opened, but OKW for example could significantly up its game... That pool area will be so outdated by 2057... Add a splash-pad, add an additional true lap pool, really do it up... these are supposed to be DELUXE resorts people!

Lastly, DVD needs to call their friends at the Disney Cruise Line and replace every single one of the mattresses in the DVC rooms with the ones that appear on every DCL ship... I have such a great sleep on DCL, and yet I sleep TERRIBLY in my DVC villa!

hmm... maybe I should sell my DVC points and take a few cruises! Oh wait, if I sell them I won't get my lip balm and blue beverage!