what is over clocking and does it matter to me?Thanks, you did so good see #9

jann1033

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still looking at which computer to buy( i'm at least getting closer) and keep seeing this overclocking which i looked up and totally was lost so i am looking at about a 3 gb, 400gb or so dual core 2 (probably) system( not sure of the brand yet) ...not sure if there is a reason i should worry about this clock thing or not but some say they don't work over 3 ghz....:confused3 :confused3 :confused3 :confused3 :confused3 :confused3 :confused3 :confused3 :confused3
 
Overclocking is like turbocharging an engine: more performance, more heat, less reliability, and shorter life. There are valid reasons to overclock but for most purposes it is neither necessary nor desirable.

Technically, overclocking means running a procesor at faster than it's rated speed. This leaves the both P and the N channel FETs on together for a brief time, essentially a direct short circuit which creates excess heat. With extra cooling the heat can (usually) be managed to a point.

I wouldn't (and don't) do it. Most current computers are plenty fast enough for photo work.

Aren't you glad you asked? ;)
 
please correct me if I'm wrong but I think overclocking is something that is done mostly by serious gamers...
 
What I find funny is that persons sometimes spend much more on cooling parts then it would have cost to simply upgrade the cpu, so why not just upgrade and save the headache?
 

Over clocking means more heat generated which means it will wear out faster.

Heat is a big enemy of a computer.
 
please correct me if I'm wrong but I think overclocking is something that is done mostly by serious gamers...

Yes. You generally only see this with serious gamers. I looked into it once and quickly realized that I am not a serious gamer. More of a part time, not so good gamer. :)

Don't worry about it Jan. Buy the "best" computer that you can afford and it will most likely be MORE than adequate for your computing needs no matter what you do (unless you are a closet Call of Duty master :lmao: ).
 
Overclocking is just running your computer components (usually CPU, GPU, and memory) at speeds faster than they are rated by the manufacturer. Do it wrong and you'll ruin your components. Do it right and you'll get extra speed. It requires extra power and generates extra heat, which must be removed.

I sometimes overclock my main machine when I'm going to do a lot of video encoding. It's an operation that is very CPU intensive. I've found that I can overclock at 25% with no loss in stability. I start to have problems around 40%.

I've also underclocked computers. My HTPC is underclocked to reduce heat gain and power consumption. When I built it, I anticipated using it for more processor intensive tasks (HD video and games) but find that I use it almost entirely for watching DVDs. By underclocking it, I've cut total power consumption and dropped the amount of heat it generates.
 
Overclocking is like turbocharging an engine: more performance, more heat, less reliability, and shorter life. There are valid reasons to overclock but for most purposes it is neither necessary nor desirable.
I might disagree with this analogy depending on how you meant it. A quality factory-designed turbocharger does not create less reliability or shorter life for the engine. (Just ask your average over-the-road trucker who's probably got a turbo diesel under the hood.) Adding one yourself will probably be less reliable and cause shorter life, but again, if done right (lowering compression ratio, etc), it can be done fairly safely.

Also, there are times when overclocking is unlikely to damage your processor. Many times, various-speed processors are identical, it's just how good the yield is that determines what they're rated for. If all the CPUs in a single big wafer (I think I'm using the right term there, but I might not have the same right) pass the tests, some will still be marked as slower because they're can't sell just the fastest ones. :) They are then set to run at a default clock and bus speed - maybe locked, maybe not.

One great example of overlocking were Intel's 300mHz Celeron CPUs - cheap and most could overclock to 450mHz perfectly. (By increasing the bus from 66mHz to 100mHz.) A 50% overclock and rock solid - I put together several of these and the one that I used most myself was maybe the most reliable computer I've ever used.

Anewman said:
What I find funny is that persons sometimes spend much more on cooling parts then it would have cost to simply upgrade the cpu, so why not just upgrade and save the headache?
Well, depends on what level you're looking at - the cost of top CPUs ramps up quickly, Intel has been selling "extreme" CPUs for a few years that are nearly $1,000. If you can equal that speed with a $300 processor and $100 of cooling parts, you're ahead of the game. But you'll still be slower than the processors available 6-12 months later. :) There's also appeal of not only tinkering in general, but getting more than you paid for.

One other thing to note is that overclocking is a fairly accepted process nowadays. Most motherboard manufacturers make sure that their motherboard has flexible overclocking options. Some companies sell graphics cards overclocked past what they're rated for by the original maker (usually ATI or nVidia.) Standard video card drivers have overclocking built-in - my ATI gaming card has a standard "overdrive" feature in the driver that will automatically overclock the card as far as it can go while still being stable.

Now, to respond to Jann's original question - no, you don't need to worry about it whatsoever; your average PC user will never overclock their system. For speed, you'd have a hard time finding a 3gHz processor now, most are slower but do more per cycle and have two CPUs in one, hence the "dual core" feature. Just adding mega/gigahertz to speed up the PC was a dead end and Intel took a loooong time to realize that!
 
thanks, i think i got most of it...i'll cross it off my list of things to worry about:rotfl:
so then what ghz do i need? and i meant core 2, i read that was better than dual core...i mostly want this for my photos as i am going to use the other one for documents etc so i wanted a big hard drive and at least 2 gb but wondered if more gb is really better since i also read some/lots of programs don't really need the core 2 processor yet...but since we basically only replace it every 6-8 yrs( i hear all you techno guys gasping) i want to have enough so it isn't obsolete way before then....

any opinions on pocket drives?

and still confused about the networking deal...do you need a wireless card and a router? don't know how much i would really need to connect the 2 computers , i might be better off just getting another printer and burning a dvd or something if i really need to transfer something...although to use dsl on both i guess i'd need something between the 2.
 
Here is the way I buy computers, some may like it some may not....

Say the range of computers is running $500 to $2000 I will buy a computer in the $1000 range, then in 2 years or so, I will buy another $1000 computer.

If I had bought the top of the line computer I would have spent $2000 and had the best computer for a little while (very little while btw) Doing it my way I have still only spent the same $2000 but the $1000 computer I will get in 2 years will be much better than the top of the line one I would have gotten originally.
 
Here is the way I buy computers, some may like it some may not....

Say the range of computers is running $500 to $2000 I will buy a computer in the $1000 range, then in 2 years or so, I will buy another $1000 computer.

If I had bought the top of the line computer I would have spent $2000 and had the best computer for a little while (very little while btw) Doing it my way I have still only spent the same $2000 but the $1000 computer I will get in 2 years will be much better than the top of the line one I would have gotten originally.

Boy, that sounds very familiar around here.
 
...so then what ghz do i need? and i meant core 2, i read that was better than dual core...i mostly want this for my photos as i am going to use the other one for documents etc so i wanted a big hard drive and at least 2 gb but wondered if more gb is really better since i also read some/lots of programs don't really need the core 2 processor yet...

Anything with and e6600 (that's 2.4GHz) should give you plenty of speed for quite awhile (at least until the coders get even more sloppy than they are now) and it has an optimal price-point (until next week).

...and still confused about the networking deal...do you need a wireless card and a router? don't know how much i would really need to connect the 2 computers , i might be better off just getting another printer and burning a dvd or something if i really need to transfer something...although to use dsl on both i guess i'd need something between the 2.

No, you don't need wifi. There are a number of ways to accomplish this. The cheapest is to buy a large memory stick and just copy the files from one to the other.

Another, option is to use direct cable connections between the computers and use Direct Cable Connect software (which is built in to Windows XP and Vista) to transfer the data. This option can be a bit daunting for the novice.

Another better option (in my mind) is to network your PCs. This will require a router/switch, some cables and both PCs to have networking connections (which most have today, but your old PC may not). You connect the cables to the switch and the other ends to the PCs and you are connected. In this case, the only reason for the router is to allow your PCs to get unique numbers (called addresses) so they can communicate. If you buy just a switch (without router capabilities) you will need to set your PCs unique number manually, which is technically challenging for many people.
 
Here is the way I buy computers, some may like it some may not....

Say the range of computers is running $500 to $2000 I will buy a computer in the $1000 range, then in 2 years or so, I will buy another $1000 computer.

If I had bought the top of the line computer I would have spent $2000 and had the best computer for a little while (very little while btw) Doing it my way I have still only spent the same $2000 but the $1000 computer I will get in 2 years will be much better than the top of the line one I would have gotten originally.

The other option is to learn to build your own, buy the best you can afford (or not afford, as in my case) then every couple of months, replace something that has gone obsolete with the latest and greatest, sell the "old" one on ebay and repeat until alimony overcomes your ability to purchase updates.
 
Here is the way I buy computers, some may like it some may not....

Say the range of computers is running $500 to $2000 I will buy a computer in the $1000 range, then in 2 years or so, I will buy another $1000 computer.

If I had bought the top of the line computer I would have spent $2000 and had the best computer for a little while (very little while btw) Doing it my way I have still only spent the same $2000 but the $1000 computer I will get in 2 years will be much better than the top of the line one I would have gotten originally.

Even though I build my own computers I pretty much follow your way of thinking: don't get the top of the line, get something one or two steps down, save some $$$, and upgrade more often.

My current PC, which runs photo editing software very well: E6400 cpu, i965 chipset, 2 GB ram, dedicated video card, lots of hard drive space. One tip: use separate hard drives for the system functions and your photo work for better performance.
 
When I was using towers I always build my own as well. That way I knew everything that was in it. Then I could upgrade part by part as I chose.

However, I have been using only a lap top for about 5 years now, I am currently on my second one. I love it because everything goes with me where ever I am. Well exept for the stuff on the external drive, but I don't really need that with me on trips, which is why it lives on the external.

I do need to upgrade that pretty soon though, it is almost full.
 
Jann,

What are you using it for? I for one can tell you that the processor hype is mostly marketing now-a-days IMO. I can run all my video/picture apps including DVR responsibiles off a older celeron D. The difference is RAM and possibly a good video card. (The best dual core processor won't help you if you only got 512mb RAM).
 
but since we basically only replace it every 6-8 yrs( i hear all you techno guys gasping)

Actually, that's what us tech guys call a well built machine. LOL After working all day on this stuff, I don't want to come home to troubleshoot/rebuild/upgrade my wife's machine or mine. :)
 
Jann,

What are you using it for? I for one can tell you that the processor hype is mostly marketing now-a-days IMO. I can run all my video/picture apps including DVR responsibiles off a older celeron D. The difference is RAM and possibly a good video card. (The best dual core processor won't help you if you only got 512mb RAM).

the computer we have now has some kind of old ram( err i think, brother in law tells me and i promptly forget) and our hard drive is so full we can't even run a defrag :rolleyes1 so we have to basically start over. i wanted a computer for upstairs in my "Photography room"( fancy name for an empty room with a desk in it )so i can putz around and not mess with husband's work stuff. so photography is mostly what i want the new onefor. i think cause this one is 512mb it is just to little for the photoshop elements. i got an external drive and put my photos on it so the elements doesn't keep crashing now as often but it still is really slow. i don't think i need a $2000 machine but i want something to last so i can get a laptop when this one finally is to far gone....

our present hard drive is 120 gb(or 160 ?) and is only a yr old but i can't figure out what is on it truthfully. i've gotten rid of any programs we rarely use, moved all our old documents and photos to the external drive( like 100gb worth almost) and still it's packed full???we don't run games( except really exciting ones one scrabble:rotfl: ) so i don't know where it all went but i can't seem to get rid of whatever is on it.
 
Ah, I can tell you that one I bulit for my wife 2 years ago has the following, and runs Adobe Photoshop CS2 (memory hungry) flawlessly:

Celeron D 2GHz proccesor
2GB slow RAM (forgot the type)...
128MB generic video card

And I do agree with the others. use a separate drive for the photos. It makes it tht much easy to move them when you need to work on the primary drive (replace maintain, etc.).
 
Even though I build my own computers I pretty much follow your way of thinking: don't get the top of the line, get something one or two steps down, save some $$$, and upgrade more often.
I agree 100% - the top of the line usually has a huge price tag, one or two levels down gives you nearly the performance for a lot less money. And frankly, few people are likely to even notice the difference, unless you're a hardcore gamer. (And if you're not a gamer - the video card will make virtually zero difference, though it's nice to have a "real" one and not one that shares memory with the rest of the PC.)

I always build my own (and dozens and probably hundreds for other people over the years :) ) and do piecemeal upgrades... a hard drive here, some memory there... my current rig (Athlon X2 4200+, 1.5g RAM, 3x160g + 1x500g HDs) takes DDR memory but I'll have to upgrade it soon as I picked up 2gb of high-performance OCZ DDR2 for $20 on Black Friday from ZipZoomFly. :thumbsup2

I don't like using a laptop for my main home PC, but it is handy having one around - we've got a pretty old (650mHz!) one, but I got a great deal via work and my wife'll have a nice new Thinkpad (my favorite laptop) with a Core 2 Duo sitting under the Christmas tree this year! I'm assuming that she won't come here and read this, of course! :rolleyes1
 














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