What is going on with the FP+ crackdown?

[mom2rtk]

The problem, as I understand it, is people who use FPs on MBs that have not been activated in the park. Why wouldn't just denying access to the ride be the way to go? That solves the problem doesn't it? What is the necessity to do anything else?

It seems the way to go for me. And the fact that they aren't doing it makes me think they can't.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It seems the way to go for me. And the fact that they aren't doing it makes me think they can't.

I agree...I think this is classic case of OVER estimating disney computers...

Even after a billion dollars...still a lot of duct tape in there

 

[Madonna3]

You mean if they use two different tickets and swipe/activate them in the turnsiles on the same day?

Cause that would be the only way they are "entitled" to use them in that fashion?

if that's possible, then yes.

 

[mom2rtk]

if that's possible, then yes.

And if it's not possible?

 

[Madonna3]

And if it's not possible?

I still think they're entitled to the benefits of the ticket. I can't see how scanning two different tickets at the tapstyle wouldn't work.

Now, if scanning them doesn't work then Disney Guest Relations should activate the ticket for the guest so they can use the additional fastpass entitlements.

 

[DisneyMom93]

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you here. If someone purchases two tickets for themselves then they are allowed the benefits those tickets provide to them, i.e. 3 fastpasses per ticket.

Sorry, I wasn't clear... I first referred to using old MBs, and then mentioned purchasing new ones.... I didn't mean tickets. I meant purchasing new extra MBs (not attached to a used entry ticket) and using those new extra MBs to get additional FPs.

 

[Madonna3]

Sorry, I wasn't clear... I first referred to using old MBs, and then mentioned purchasing new ones.... I didn't mean tickets. I meant purchasing new extra MBs (not attached to a used entry ticket) and using those new extra MBs to get additional FPs.

Oh ok, then that I agree with

 

[DisneyMom93]

The problem, as I understand it, is people who use FPs on MBs that have not been activated in the park. Why wouldn't just denying access to the ride be the way to go? That solves the problem doesn't it? What is the necessity to do anything else?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but what is preventing people from booking FPs 30-60 days in advance, tying them up so others can't book them, and then they are wasted anyway?

If DW can figure out how to prevent that from happening in the first place then that would be great. But if it can't be done then the only thing that will stop people from trying is the fear of their account being locked.

 

[AngiTN]

Sorry, I wasn't clear... I first referred to using old MBs, and then mentioned purchasing new ones.... I didn't mean tickets. I meant purchasing new extra MBs (not attached to a used entry ticket) and using those new extra MBs to get additional FPs.

Yeah, that should never, ever work, no question. Bands without tickets that is.

 

[HopperFan]

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you here. If someone purchases two tickets for themselves then they are allowed the benefits those tickets provide to them, i.e. 3 fastpasses per ticket.

if that's possible, then yes.

And if it's not possible?

I still think they're entitled to the benefits of the ticket. I can't see how scanning two different tickets at the tapstyle wouldn't work.

Now, if scanning them doesn't work then Disney Guest Relations should activate the ticket for the guest so they can use the additional fastpass entitlements.

I would think they can make that work if they enter the park with Ticket A and those FP+, then leave the park and enter with Ticket B, scanning a different finger, and access those FP+. They have paid twice, activated twice and get 6 FP+. SO ... they paid approx $33 per FP+ doing it this way. [Nothing is worth that to me.]

The key is the ticket has to be scanned removing that day's entry entitlements in order to access the perks.

 

[AngiTN]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but what is preventing people from booking FPs 30-60 days in advance, tying them up so others can't book them, and then they are wasted anyway?

If DW can figure out how to prevent that from happening in the first place then that would be great. But if it can't be done then the only thing that will stop people from trying is the fear of their account being locked.

Thing is, an unused FP simply means 1 more stand by rider gets on. It's not like an unused ADR where no one gets to eat. Sure, it means someone can't book the FP but it's not like that is taking a ride away from someone. Someone in standby benefits from an unused FP

 

[DisneyMom93]

I still think they're entitled to the benefits of the ticket. I can't see how scanning two different tickets at the tapstyle wouldn't work.

Now, if scanning them doesn't work then Disney Guest Relations should activate the ticket for the guest so they can use the additional fastpass entitlements.

Seems to me like another loophole. Do you really think that's how Disney set up the system? So that people can buy multiple tickets for entry? I mean I guess if people want to spend more money to get FPs Disney may see it as a bonus. ???

But if Disney wanted people to spend more money for additional FPs per person I think they would make purchasing extra FPs available as an option.

 

[mom2rtk]

I still think they're entitled to the benefits of the ticket. I can't see how scanning two different tickets at the tapstyle wouldn't work.

Now, if scanning them doesn't work then Disney Guest Relations should activate the ticket for the guest so they can use the additional fastpass entitlements.

I would think they can make that work if they enter the park with Ticket A and those FP+, then leave the park and enter with Ticket B, scanning a different finger, and access those FP+. They have paid twice, activated twice and get 6 FP+. SO ... they paid approx $33 per FP+ doing it this way. Nothing is worth that to me.

The key is the ticket has to be scanned removing that day's entry entitlements.

OK, we're talking about 2 actual tickets being purchased for 1 person. I thought maybe this was in reference to someone using someone else's AP. For example, if a family member buys the AP for another family member, they have indeed "purchased" 2 tickets. But that's a completely different situation from someone investing in a second ticket for the purpose of increasing their FP entitlements.

 

[AngiTN]

Seems to me like another loophole. Do you really think that's how Disney set up the system? So that people can buy multiple tickets for entry? I mean I guess if people want to spend more money to get FPs Disney may see it as a bonus. ???

But if Disney wanted people to spend more money for additional FPs per person I think they would make purchasing extra FPs available as an option.

I think the point is, if someone does want to buy 2 admissions then they can. And if they do, and they use both of them, they are due the benefits that come with both, no? That's not a loophole. It may be wasting money but it's not a loophole.

As for Disney selling FP, they'll have way fewer people who want to buy two tickets than they do who want to buy some type of FP option. So I guess this is a way to offer both, to the few that want to do it. Not sure their system can handle a whole lot of additional sold FP. But they can handle the few that will buy 2 tickets per day.

 

[Moliphino]

Thing is, an unused FP simply means 1 more stand by rider gets on. It's not like an unused ADR where no one gets to eat. Sure, it means someone can't book the FP but it's not like that is taking a ride away from someone. Someone in standby benefits from an unused FP

And there were plenty of unused fastpasses on the old paper system, too (pretty sure I have some at home). I don't think it's really something you can completely avoid.

 

[DisneyMom93]

Thing is, an unused FP simply means 1 more stand by rider gets on. It's not like an unused ADR where no one gets to eat. Sure, it means someone can't book the FP but it's not like that is taking a ride away from someone. Someone in standby benefits from an unused FP

Not really. There's a difference between walking in through the FP line and waiting in the standby line. You're waiting in line for let's say, 40 minutes. One person not on the FP line is not going to make a difference.
Unless you're talking about something else...

 

[HopperFan]

Seems to me like another loophole. Do you really think that's how Disney set up the system? So that people can buy multiple tickets for entry? I mean I guess if people want to spend more money to get FPs Disney may see it as a bonus. ???

But if Disney wanted people to spend more money for additional FPs per person I think they would make purchasing extra FPs available as an option.

No loophole. Ticket bought, ticket scanned, entry entitlement removed, FP+ activated.

Disney got twice the amount to enter from one guest (cha-ching) and guest paid $33+ each for 3 more FP+. (if one day, obviously multi-day tickets cost would go down but still would not be worth the cost to me, nothing there is that good)

I think the point is, if someone does want to buy 2 admissions then they can. And if they do, and they use both of them, they are due the benefits that come with both, no? That's not a loophole. It may be wasting money but it's not a loophole.

As for Disney selling FP, they'll have way fewer people who want to buy two tickets than they do who want to buy some type of FP option. So I guess this is a way to offer both, to the few that want to do it. Not sure they're system can handle a whole lot of additional sold FP. But they can handle the few that will buy 2 tickets per day.

Agree, if all the holes are closed, the number of folks who will actually buy two sets of tickets is low and won't impact much. This whole issue involved folks trying to get more for free.

Selling FP+ is likely to exceed ability to handle (they struggle now) and is completely counter to their advertising "FREE FP+" with your ticket. They actually already offer the option to pay for FP+ with Dessert Parties, Dining Packages, EMM etc. I see them increasing this long before selling FP+ straight out.

 

[DisneyMom93]

I think the point is, if someone does want to buy 2 admissions then they can. And if they do, and they use both of them, they are due the benefits that come with both, no? That's not a loophole. It may be wasting money but it's not a loophole.

As for Disney selling FP, they'll have way fewer people who want to buy two tickets than they do who want to buy some type of FP option. So I guess this is a way to offer both, to the few that want to do it. Not sure their system can handle a whole lot of additional sold FP. But they can handle the few that will buy 2 tickets per day.

How do you know it will only be a few people? Once that "strategy" takes hold, it could be a lot of people.

Yes, it seems that if someone wants to buy extra entrance tickets, and use them to have extra FPs, they can. I'm not arguing that. But again, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you're supposed to.

But I'm not sure how DW can stop that. It would be interesting to see if DW states One Ticket Per Person Per Day for Entry how many people will still buy more just because they can, and DW can't really catch them.

Personally, I don't agree with doing it. I see it as a loophole, just like a throwaway room. I think Disney probably didn't realize just how much they have to spell out for people.

And whose name do you put on the ticket? Do you have to create another MDE account to do it? I think if you have to go out of your way and take all these extra steps, including entering the park twice, to get more than the 3 FPs per person you should realize it's a loophole.

I guess they'll have to spend more money creating two-hand scanners to prevent it. LOL.

 

[Friendlyadvice2]

Can one guest currently even use two tickets in a single day if they desired? I know 2 entitlements from the older non-expiring tickets cannot be used in a single day (that rule was created to close a different loophole).

 

[Madonna3]

Seems to me like another loophole. Do you really think that's how Disney set up the system? So that people can buy multiple tickets for entry? I mean I guess if people want to spend more money to get FPs Disney may see it as a bonus. ???

But if Disney wanted people to spend more money for additional FPs per person I think they would make purchasing extra FPs available as an option.

Maybe the market doesn't demand it yet, but I think buying another day of entry is kind of the same thing and Disney doesn't have to implement anything to do it