What has happened to kids school lunches?

We were big progresso soup people. I liked one type, DH about 20 types. Since he was told to lay off salt. I started making beef barly and chicken noodle /rice soup with no salt. At first it was awful. But you get used it it pretty quickly.
I've had high blood pressure for at least 20 years and my Primary Care Doctor always gives me the "avoid salt" speech. We don't even have a salt shaker on the table, and don't salt when we cook. Oh, and one of my specialists laughed when I told him that and pointed out my sodium level is actually on the low side, so it's clear I'm doing a pretty good job limiting my salt intake. Yet my blood pressure remains higher than it should be.
 
I've had high blood pressure for at least 20 years and my Primary Care Doctor always gives me the "avoid salt" speech. We don't even have a salt shaker on the table, and don't salt when we cook. Oh, and one of my specialists laughed when I told him that and pointed out my sodium level is actually on the low side, so it's clear I'm doing a pretty good job limiting my salt intake. Yet my blood pressure remains higher than it should be.
Salt doesn't affect everyone the same way. It's very individual whether or not reducing salt helps lower blood pressure. Being low in blood level sodium can be dangerous. You want your electrolyte levels to all be in balance.
 
Salt doesn't affect everyone the same way. It's very individual whether or not reducing salt helps lower blood pressure. Being low in blood level sodium can be dangerous. You want your electrolyte levels to all be in balance.
Oh, I know. My body is always at war with my Doctor.
He put me on cholesterol medicine a few years ago. All it did was RAISE my bad cholesterol and LOWER my good cholesterol. He is trying again with another medicine, can't wait to see the lab work.
I was on blood pressure medicine so my blood pressure didn't damage my kidneys. The medicine damaged my kidneys. Mostly recovered from that.
 
Oh, I know. My body is always at war with my Doctor.
He put me on cholesterol medicine a few years ago. All it did was RAISE my bad cholesterol and LOWER my good cholesterol. He is trying again with another medicine, can't wait to see the lab work.
I was on blood pressure medicine so my blood pressure didn't damage my kidneys. The medicine damaged my kidneys. Mostly recovered from that.
What a mess!
 

It is in everything. You don't realize it until you can't have it anymore. I have become lactose intolerant in my old age but can get away with taking a Lactaid. Cheese is in everything. LOL

So true. Dairy is literally in everything prepared in some way. Having to live with a dairy allergy, it has done the best for my diet and health. I can't even have 90%+ of processed foods on the market, even if I wanted them. And forget desserts...anywhere...if you combo a tree nut allergy with dairy. Just ask for the sorbet, and hope it isn't mango (which combos with some tree nut allergies, like mine:))...

That said, it has opened up the world to wonderful fruits and veg I'd probably never have tried without having the allergies (b/c now I will treat myself to expensive fruits and veg if I want them:))...

But it is very hard for a school type environment to handle difficult dining situations, since they are in the prime business of education and not restaurant management. So, I understand them making some of the choices they do for product for serving, even if I'd never choose it for kids with or without allergies.
 
I've had high blood pressure for at least 20 years and my Primary Care Doctor always gives me the "avoid salt" speech. We don't even have a salt shaker on the table, and don't salt when we cook. Oh, and one of my specialists laughed when I told him that and pointed out my sodium level is actually on the low side, so it's clear I'm doing a pretty good job limiting my salt intake. Yet my blood pressure remains higher than it should be.
My husband was able to stop his bp meds after he was required to stop eating wheat.
 
My mom had many complaints about my public school experience, and felt my time at school was for academics not sports. My Little League and after school sports gave me plenty of exercise, she would have rather had me spend more time in a class, or study hall to get help with subjects where I needed it and maybe get my homework done.
Most kids don't do little league or things like that. When I grew up in Illinois, there were plenty of free, locally sponsored sports activities like you mentioned. You maybe had to pay for the T shirt "uniform". When we moved to NE, there were none of those. You either had to try out for limited spots for school sports or paid ridiculous prices for private sports groups. We are talking several hundred dollars per kid, even at the elementary level. And many of them made your kid actually try out for them too. It is ridiculously competitive here.
For many kids, the only sports they did was in school PE classes.
 
Most kids don't do little league or things like that. When I grew up in Illinois, there were plenty of free, locally sponsored sports activities like you mentioned. You maybe had to pay for the T shirt "uniform". When we moved to NE, there were none of those. You either had to try out for limited spots for school sports or paid ridiculous prices for private sports groups. We are talking several hundred dollars per kid, even at the elementary level. And many of them made your kid actually try out for them too. It is ridiculously competitive here.
For many kids, the only sports they did was in school PE classes.
Soccer and Little League are still popular here. But yes, many parents have shifted to those crazy Traveling Sports clubs.
My son was offered a spot on one in 2000. The buy in was $7,500. In the end the team won the USSSA World Series and because of how far they went in the competition, out of pocket ended up being $12,000 per child.
 
Guys, I was just pointing out why some people may gravitate toward peanut/tree nut severity when talking about allergies. It does get a lot of media attention. Was just giving personal experience as to why I can empathize with food allergies. It's terrifying when someone develops one and starts having that swelling sensation.

There are plenty of allergies for us all to share. We don't need to compete. I don't think schools do enough for food allergies, no matter the type. If you have a nut allergy, they have you sit at a separate table where you may or may not be sitting with someone. You are ostracized. This is as an elementary student (no knowledge of high school yet).

And I wish we outgrew ours. The doctor tests every other year to see.
Nobody was competing, your comment was suggesting peanut allergies are different so I responded to that because it was inaccurate. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted, I'm really not trying to compete or pick a fight.

The whole "nut free table" thing is weird but it also only exists because it was initially recommended and even demanded by parents of kids with nut allergies. Then people got used to it and the next cohort of families doesn't like it. You can ask for your child to sit at the regular table. Our best solution was my son having a little card table because the actual need is enough space that kids aren't spilling or spitting food on his food - then anyone could sit there, but they were about 2' away instead of elbows rubbing like at the main table. Before that change my son ended up skipping lunch a few times/month due to spills or excessive food debris making the table unsafe.
 
Our school always had decent lunches and the majority of students did not bring their own lunch. I think we were pretty fortunate.
 
Most kids don't do little league or things like that. When I grew up in Illinois, there were plenty of free, locally sponsored sports activities like you mentioned. You maybe had to pay for the T shirt "uniform". When we moved to NE, there were none of those. You either had to try out for limited spots for school sports or paid ridiculous prices for private sports groups. We are talking several hundred dollars per kid, even at the elementary level. And many of them made your kid actually try out for them too. It is ridiculously competitive here.
For many kids, the only sports they did was in school PE classes.
We have knothole, ymca leagues, etc. sure, there are select programs, but you don’t have to participate in those to get activity.

However, I do not agree that PE and recess aren’t necessary. Too many kids don’t get enough exercise, and movement helps kids be alert and develop healthy habits.
 
When I was a little girl I rarely ate school lunches
I usually ate school lunch in elementary school (and what you'd call middle school now). I don't remember it being super good or super bad, but -- as one of five children -- I was taught to eat what was put in front of me without question.
was serve hot packs and cold packs
What is a hot or cold pack?
I have also never figured out why schools added breakfast to the lunch menu
A number of people have commented that not all families can afford breakfast. Another issue is that some parents don't have the time /energy to prepare a breakfast for kids.
I know that sounds lazy, but I've been aware of more than a few families -- thinking mostly of single mothers -- who are working multiple jobs just to keep a roof over the kids' heads, and they let important things go because they only have so many hours in the day.
Other families go periods of time without refrigeration or stoves.
I work in public schools. The kids around here get lots of choices but they don’t often pick the healthy offerings. There is actually a lunchable as a choice now.
I'm a teacher too. Our breakfast offerings are garbage. They offer one hot item for breakfast -- it might be French toast sticks or a frozen sausage biscuit. The other choices are a single Pop Tart (they actually make them in singles) or a pack of small powdered-sugar doughnuts.
These are the super-processed type of breakfast that keep kids from being hungry -- but are actually a negative in terms of health.
Yes! During Covid when the schools were shut down, the charity lunch programs kept going and distributed lunches daily outside the schools. There were often 30 minute line-ups. The need never stops.
Several Covid comments:
- During Covid all students in NC were eligible for free breakfast and lunch regardless of their income.
- When our kids were at home, our school cafeteria ladies prepared meals and families could drive up and get meals from the school's front door ... they also sent out lunch ladies on the busses, and they'd announce ahead of time, "Monday and Thursday we'll be at this church at 10:30, then the Walmart parking lot at 11:30 ..." They gave out 2-3 days of meals at a time so families didn't have to pick up every day.
- When we "went home" for Covid, a number of my students (high schoolers) expressed concern about access to free school food, saying they really depend upon it.
Agreed it's not the child's fault, and I never want a child to go hungry. However, I would rather have systems in place that promote parents taking their personal responsibility more seriously. Feeding all children for free regardless of need of that service will create more dependency on the government for society to function. I believe society is best when government is more hands off and just sets the guardrails.
In theory, I agree that parents should be responsible for feeding their own children, but -- in reality -- not all parents are able (or even willing) to feed their children on a regular basis.
And since 1965 after Vatican II, the restriction on eating meat on Friday's went away, but many Catholics still follow the guideline. My DIL was born 20 years after Vatican II and for a time she was observing meatless Fridays.
My father, a lukewarm Catholic, was fairly strict about fish on Fridays. This was never a religious teaching from the Bible; rather, it began to manage an economic need.
Schools are saving volumes (pun) of money since most no longer use textbooks, or at least have a single set in the classroom while the kids access them online. Yes they all have netbooks that they buy at likely less than a single textbook would cost and they get turned back in. Digital learning cuts cost of hard products in the classroom, like there is no longer a room full of copiers running full time. No toner, no paper ...
- School lunch and classroom supplies come out of different pockets.
- We aren't saving money by not buying textbooks. We use inexpensive Chromebooks, but they cost $275 each (and chargers are $40) and seem to have a lifespan of about two years. We're also charging those Chromebooks every day, which isn't free.
- Teachers are still making copies.
But the stuff they were serving (at least where my DS went to school) wasn't healthy! - It was overprocessed junk masquerading as healthy food because the breading was changed to whole grain.
A lot of people really don't know about nutrition.
One of the best classes I took in college was Nutrition for Teachers. My mom fed us pretty well, but I really learned a lot in that class.
Mrs. Obama had a good heart, but I think she was picturing rich schools with their own vegetable gardens (in lovely greenhouses, of course, because here you can't grow much during the school year) making fresh salads a few minutes before lunchtime - not the soggy canned veggies and mushy, bruised fruits children were actually presented with.
I agree with that.
The thing is that you can't force a kid to eat. You can only force them to take the items onto their tray. So much gets thrown out!
During exams (high school) our kids order lunches /have them delivered to the classrooms. It was an eye-opener for me:
- Kids are required to take the whole meal, even if they aren't going to eat it all. The meals were pretty large, I thought.
- Kids who don't like milk are still required to take it.
- Kids who only want a drink are still required to take the whole meal.
I started asking the kids to leave with me any packaged, unopened items -- bags of apple slices, dried cranberries, cartons of milk -- and I put them into the teachers' refrigerator for the next day's kids.
I agree! When my kids were in elementary school, they only had gym twice a week!
Now, to be fair, when I was in elementary school (for 8 years -- we had no middle school and were better for it), we only had gym twice a week. That meant twice a week we were with a gym teacher who taught us the rules of baseball, etc. or led us through structured activities in the gym: I loved square dancing and the parachute.
BUT the other three days of the week we walked across a small street to the town's park and had a solid hour of unstructured recess on the playground -- usually with several other classes. We had physical play every day.
I don't remember what we did on rainy days.
Politics mainly ruined school lunches. I would say however that they aren't oversalted. There was a big push about 15 years ago for food manufacturers to reduce the amount of salt in food. So now it is all just bland.
Politics and economics.
 
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I usually ate school lunch in elementary school (and what you'd call middle school now). I don't remember it being super good or super bad, but -- as one of five children -- I was taught to eat what was put in front of me without question.

What is a hot or cold pack?

A number of people have commented that not all families can afford breakfast. Another issue is that some parents don't have the time /energy to prepare a breakfast for kids.
I know that sounds lazy, but I've been aware of more than a few families -- thinking mostly of single mothers -- who are working multiple jobs just to keep a roof over the kids' heads, and they let important things go because they only have so many hours in the day.
Other families go periods of time without refrigeration or stoves.

I'm a teacher too. Our breakfast offerings are garbage. They offer one hot item for breakfast -- it might be French toast sticks or a frozen sausage biscuit. The other choices are a single Pop Tart (they actually make them in singles) or a pack of small powdered-sugar doughnuts.
These are the super-processed type of breakfast that keep kids from being hungry -- but are actually a negative in terms of health.

Several Covid comments:
- During Covid all students in NC were eligible for free breakfast and lunch regardless of their income.
- When our kids were at home, our school cafeteria ladies prepared meals and families could drive up and get meals from the school's front door ... they also sent out lunch ladies on the busses, and they'd announce ahead of time, "Monday and Thursday we'll be at this church at 10:30, then the Walmart parking lot at 11:30 ..." They gave out 2-3 days of meals at a time so families didn't have to pick up every day.
- When we "went home" for Covid, a number of my students (high schoolers) expressed concern about access to free school food, saying they really depend upon it.

In theory, I agree that parents should be responsible for feeding their own children, but -- in reality -- not all parents are able (or even willing) to feed their children on a regular basis.

My father, a lukewarm Catholic, was fairly strict about fish on Fridays. This was never a religious teaching from the Bible; rather, it began to manage an economic need.

- School lunch and classroom supplies come out of different pockets.
- We aren't saving money by not buying textbooks. We use inexpensive Chromebooks, but they cost $275 each (and chargers are $40) and seem to have a lifespan of about two years. We're also charging those Chromebooks every day, which isn't free.
- Teachers are still making copies.

A lot of people really don't know about nutrition.
One of the best classes I took in college was Nutrition for Teachers. My mom fed us pretty well, but I really learned a lot in that class.

I agree with that.

During exams (high school) our kids order lunches /have them delivered to the classrooms. It was an eye-opener for me:
- Kids are required to take the whole meal, even if they aren't going to eat it all. The meals were pretty large, I thought.
- Kids who don't like milk are still required to take it.
- Kids who only want a drink are still required to take the whole meal.
I started asking the kids to leave with me any packaged, unopened items -- bags of apple slices, dried cranberries, cartons of milk -- and I put them into the teachers' refrigerator for the next day's kids.

Now, to be fair, when I was in elementary school (for 8 years -- we had no middle school and were better for it), we only had gym twice a week. That meant twice a week we were with a gym teacher who taught us the rules of baseball, etc. or led us through structured activities in the gym: I loved square dancing and the parachute.
BUT the other three days of the week we walked across a small street to the town's park and had a solid hour of unstructured recess on the playground -- usually with several other classes. We had physical play every day.
I don't remember what we did on rainy days.

Politics and economics.
Each of us here, each state, each district, each school will have their own experiences. I think most of us are sharing what is happening in our schools, and I wouldn't presume that our standards and experiences are the same anywhere else.

Things you say are still happening, may not be happening elsewhere. I am sure it varies widely depending on many factors including district size, local taxes, acceptance of federal money, state budgets, each districts budgets and more. DS switched districts in same state and immediately got about a $10,000 raise. The old district was one that qualified for lots of grants and monies so was overloaded with technology - while his new district, considered highly funded has less because they don't qualify for many of the programs and grants out there. When they added student netbooks they were funded with a local option sales tax - so they were not even in the budget other than a wash, while the textbooks being surrendered saved lots of money.

Every district will have different accounting where ALL funds will fall under the overall budget. Money saved in one area can get allocated to another. And every district will have different styles of teaching, along with how their assets are structured. Our upper schools (not sure lower) no longer have teacher lounges. Those spaces have been reallocated. Teachers eat lunch in their classrooms. There is no longer the big teacher workroom full of supplies, copiers etc. There are scattered closets with some supplies in them. New technology means less supplies are needed in upper schools. Each school will have their own approach.
 














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