What do you think about the TEACHER taking time off for a vacation?

My district allows teachers who have a 12 month contract to take vacation time during the school year, provided they use only their personal days or take the days w/o pay. Teachers who have 10 month contracts are not permitted to take school year vacations.

Our district is the same way. My feelings though from a secretaries point of view, as long as you have made sure you have a good sub in your class for that week ahead of time, I don't care.
 

That's for the city of New York, not the state as a whole. Salary is different in different areas of the state. I would venture that the salary in the city is higher. For a little comparison, I couldn't find the salary scale for Dillon County, SC, which is the lowest paid in the state, so I pulled up for Saluda county, which is pretty close to the lowest:http://www.saludak-12.org/teacher_salary_scale_2005.htm Note the highest a teacher can make is $64293 with a Doctorate and 22 years experience. That is ridiculous. With that pay, if they want to take their 2-3 days of personal leave a year and go to Disney, they deserve it. With technology like it is today, when my dh is out (he works in Dillon County, has 13 years experience with a BA+18 and I can assure you, he makes less than the Saluda County schedule for that experience and education), he plans lessons by putting assignments on portaportal.com, sending the kids to the computer lab, and using websites to help students gain information. He does the same thing when he is at school, but he waits for when he's not there to teach this.

Parents who think that 2 or 3 days is going to make or break their child's education are certainly not thinking their children's teachers are professional enough to leave meaningful activities while they are gone. Which eventually rubs off on your children that we are not professional enough to appropriately teach your children. No wonder we have so many behavior problems in school these days.
 
That's for the city of New York, not the state as a whole. Salary is different in different areas of the state. I would venture that the salary in the city is higher. For a little comparison, I couldn't find the salary scale for Dillon County, SC, which is the lowest paid in the state, so I pulled up for Saluda county, which is pretty close to the lowest:http://www.saludak-12.org/teacher_salary_scale_2005.htm Note the highest a teacher can make is $64293 with a Doctorate and 22 years experience. That is ridiculous. With that pay, if they want to take their 2-3 days of personal leave a year and go to Disney, they deserve it. With technology like it is today, when my dh is out (he works in Dillon County, has 13 years experience with a BA+18 and I can assure you, he makes less than the Saluda County schedule for that experience and education), he plans lessons by putting assignments on portaportal.com, sending the kids to the computer lab, and using websites to help students gain information. He does the same thing when he is at school, but he waits for when he's not there to teach this.

Parents who think that 2 or 3 days is going to make or break their child's education are certainly not thinking their children's teachers are professional enough to leave meaningful activities while they are gone. Which eventually rubs off on your children that we are not professional enough to appropriately teach your children. No wonder we have so many behavior problems in school these days.


I know that pay schedule isn't for the whole state, that's why I wrote NYC.:confused3

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I was born in Dillion. Many of my cousins attend school in Dillion, Latta and Florence. Both of my parents are from Latta so I have tons of relatives there. I grew up here in Brooklyn, but I spent many summers in SC.
It's a small, small world.
 
I think there are a lot of areas of NY state that pay teachers more than in the city.

In my district the average salary is $82,500 and the highest paid teacher in the district makes $134K.
 

I know that pay schedule isn't for the whole state, that's why I wrote NYC.:confused3

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I was born in Dillion. Many of my cousins attend school in Dillion, Latta and Florence. Both of my parents are from Latta so I have tons of relatives there. I grew up here in Brooklyn, but I spent many summers in SC.
It's a small, small world.

:headache: Sorry--I'm a little off this morning. Allergies. Dh works in Lake View; I work in Mullins (but I'm in the district office). It is a small world. (and now I have that song in my head again--and I always get it caught in there when I see anything dealing with that ride)
 
I think there are a lot of areas of NY state that pay teachers more than in the city.

In my district the average salary is $82,500 and the highest paid teacher in the district makes $134K.

The problem with education right now is equity in funding. But that is a whole other can of worms. It's just not right that one district pays teachers 80K when in the smae country, a school is in operation with mold in the school and operating in a building built in the 1800s. That is just plain sickening. How can every child have the same chance when there is that discrepency?
 
I think teachers should be able to take a vacation any darn time they please. My god, it's just a job -- they're not slaves. I'm sure kids will survive a week without their regular teacher.

If I had to sit around with a bunch of bratty kids all day -- and deal with their high-strung parents to boot -- I'd be on vacation every other week.
 
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I think there are a lot of areas of NY state that pay teachers more than in the city.

In my district the average salary is $82,500 and the highest paid teacher in the district makes $134K.

I'm planning on teaching in the city but would LOVE to get into a Long Island school. Most of the schools are great and the pay is the highest in the area :thumbsup2
 
Tinijocaro, I was wondering if anyone would "get" that!
99 out of 100 times a kid pulled out of classes is only affecting themselves.
Sure it does. If I'm spending my time catching kids up after absences, I'm taking time away from the rest of the class. And you'd be amazed just how much of my time is wasted on this task! And, no, simply not doing it and saying, "Oh, he should do it on his own" is not acceptable -- it won't happen.

Just for the record, how many absences do you suspect a typical high school teacher records in her grade book? On a GOOD WEEK I'll have only 18 or 20 absences between my three classes. So every day I spend time working with the kids who missed class, providing them with make-up work (often reworking it into a form that's possible to do individually instead of in class with discussion, etc.). Then I spend time working with these kids during my planning period or after school; sometimes they need help because they've missed material, sometimes they need to make up tests or quizzes. But a LARGE portion of my time goes to working with kids who are absent. That certainly takes away from my time to plan for tomorrow's lesson -- so it's grossly incorrect to say that an absence hurts only the absent child.
Yes, because the student is not being paid to be at school.
All compensation doesn't come in the form of a paycheck. Kids are "being paid" in credits as the work towards a diploma. They're "being paid" in information, which will last them a lifetime and allow them to support themselves and their families. Please don't belittle the value of the education these children are earning!
When she took her 10 day trip in Oct., she was supposed to keep a journal but didn't. I have had kids go away for long vacations and not turn in the journal and not have much to say about their trip. A few years ago, I had one student go to S. Korea for 3 weeks. All she said was that the plane trip was long and she stayed at her Aunt's house and they didn't go anywhere or do anything. Nobody wrote in her journal (after all, if you truly did nothing, how much could you write?), did not bring anything in, so much for that. It was disappointing b/c what could've been a wonderful opportunity to see her native country, she didn't see anything but the airport and the inside of her aunt's house. You have to remember that not all vacations are going to be filled with learning experiences and opportunities to see unusual things. Not all parents are going to do those things for their children.
When kids go on vacation during the school year, it is VERY RARE that they actually do the make-up work that their parents request for them. IF it is done, it's usually done poorly, or the child comes back and requests an extension because he or she did nothing during the trip. It's disheartening for the teachers who put these things together -- usually after hours on their own time.

And there's another problem that people outside the school system don't seem to grasp: The state gives us a list of things that MUST be taught during our courses. No matter how important or educational the trip, we can't just say, "Oh, write up a journal, and that'll be enough." The child missed a lesson on ____ during the vacation, and that information's going to be on the end-of-course test. The lesson on _____ must be made up! The journal may take the place of some small daily lessons, but it's unfair to the kid NOT to teach him everything on the state course of study.
I stand by my opinion that there is a large difference between being a student and being a teacher.
This is a key point, which many people seem to miss! It's foolish to say that rules that are appropriate for students are also appropriate for teachers (or vice-versa). Yes, we share the same building, but we're there for different purposes!
My son's teacher (2nd grade) has been absent quite a bit this year. Her daughter got married, she was called for jury duty, sick days, dr. appointments...
This is just part of being human: some years my kids have been sick every few weeks, other years I've had perfect attendance. Things are never completely equal, and I don't think there's an answer -- none of the things you listed were "over the top", but they add up to a large number of days.
 
I'm planning on teaching in the city but would LOVE to get into a Long Island school. Most of the schools are great and the pay is the highest in the area :thumbsup2

And I am only looking at "low income" areas on LI because I don't want to deal with these obnoxious parents who make unreasonable demands because they pay high taxes.

I would rather make 1/2 and NOT "fight" the parents every week. Honestly, I've already heard the excuse that "Susie" can't do her homework on Tues/Thurs nights because she has gymnastics until late and then they have dinner and then it's time for quiet time and bed. Ohyea, Susie is in 2nd grade. So guess what, there can be no consequences for "Susie" not doing her homework 2x a week (parent already went to building principal about it).

As it goes, be careful what you wish for! I only wish you a job ;)
 
i wish i could take vacation whenever i want we get the same as the kids in my distract if you take off you get in big trouble even lose your job. im getting marryed in april and im taking my honeymoon on our spring break. if we lose days do to snow i lose the vacation. im keeping my figures crossed... in my distract we do not get vacation days we get sick and 3 personal days. if you are sick more then 3 days you need a doctors not. in the line of teaching i do which is with children with autism i need a break but haveing alot a vacation the same as the kids is ok
 
oo salary where i am its bad. the big wigs get the money and the teachers and ta get nothing.. a ta that works in a public school gets 15,000 a year. and they teach just like everyone else. in my distract that is teacher get around 40,000
 
And I am only looking at "low income" areas on LI because I don't want to deal with these obnoxious parents who make unreasonable demands because they pay high taxes.

I would rather make 1/2 and NOT "fight" the parents every week. Honestly, I've already heard the excuse that "Susie" can't do her homework on Tues/Thurs nights because she has gymnastics until late and then they have dinner and then it's time for quiet time and bed. Ohyea, Susie is in 2nd grade. So guess what, there can be no consequences for "Susie" not doing her homework 2x a week (parent already went to building principal about it).

As it goes, be careful what you wish for! I only wish you a job ;)
:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

I prefer to work in low income areas for the same reasons.
 
You know, when ANYONE else complains about their job on these boards everyone else commisserates. When a teacher complains about their job (whether it be due to a student behavior, difficulties w/admin., difficulties w/parents, etc.) they're told to find a new job. What's up w/that!? Maybe I should just write "Get a new job" every time someone complains about their boss, coworkers, etc. b/c I've seen a lot of those threads on here and not one person says that!!!!!

This statement is soooo true.

I can't imagine making 90K even after 22+ years and 54 credits beyond my master's degree....and my district is near where you live since I am in NEPA also

Where in NEPA are you from?
 
I would rather make 1/2 and NOT "fight" the parents every week. Honestly, I've already heard the excuse that "Susie" can't do her homework on Tues/Thurs nights because she has gymnastics until late and then they have dinner and then it's time for quiet time and bed. Ohyea, Susie is in 2nd grade. So guess what, there can be no consequences for "Susie" not doing her homework 2x a week (parent already went to building principal about it).

This happened in the class I'm working in! One of the little girl's mom wrote the teacher a not saying that she doesn't like homework so she didn't feel like doing it last night. The teacher just looked at me like :sad2: :headache: Apparently it happens often with this little girl... unbelievable!
 
And I am only looking at "low income" areas on LI because I don't want to deal with these obnoxious parents who make unreasonable demands because they pay high taxes.

I would rather make 1/2 and NOT "fight" the parents every week. Honestly, I've already heard the excuse that "Susie" can't do her homework on Tues/Thurs nights because she has gymnastics until late and then they have dinner and then it's time for quiet time and bed. Ohyea, Susie is in 2nd grade. So guess what, there can be no consequences for "Susie" not doing her homework 2x a week (parent already went to building principal about it).

I prefer to work in low income areas for the same reasons.

I like working in a low income area b/c I know that those kids will struggle and I am making a big impact on their education. I give my Kdg. so many things that they don't come with already. Most of my class counted "1, 2, 3 ... I don't know". Now, they're all counting to 100. Many couldn't sing the ABC song more or less recognize a single alphabet letter. Now, they know their letters and the sounds they make. They're beginning to blend those sounds to read words. It astounds me every year how poorly prepared these kids are and lack the basic knowledge for entering Kdg.

I've taught in some of the upscale suburbs (I'm certified for grades PK-12) and have seen kids who just know that they'll go straight to college b/c their parents will pay for it. It's just taken for granted and expected that they'll go to college ... whether it be Harvard or the local university/college. It's never a "maybe" or "if I'm lucky and work hard".

At my school, our kids dream of getting into a decent high school so they might have a chance at going to college. My kids know that getting into a good high school (the local trade schools or even the parochial high schools) is going to take loads of hard work on their part. Our students who want to get into the good parochial high schools where tuition is $7K a year worry about getting a scholarship and how their parents will pay for it. But, they work hard to get that scholarship so they can go. They know that a good high school is their only chance into college. The suburban kids in the parochial schools (the areas I taught in -- not a generalization) know their educations will be handed to them on silver platters and they expect to go to the good parochial high schools. They don't worry about not getting in b/c they expect that they will get in. And, if they don't, the public schools are v. good so it's not a major concern. The local public schools in my area are horrible!!! Our kids try to avoid them like the plague!

I'd rather teach kids who understand that a good education will get them out of poverty and know they have to do their best to get it. Far more worthwhile than teaching kids who expect it.
 
Wow, I am shocked to see that a teacher gets paid so little. You need a degree to be a teacher in the UK, and a one-year training course minimum. The bare minimum you get paid is $40,000 in your first year. Teaching is not considered a well-paid profession, but I anticipate being on $60K+ by the time I'm 30. :confused3

Oh and the wages are uniform throughout the country. Whether you teach in the poorest areas or the richest areas, your wage is the same*.

*unless you teach in/around London, where you also get a London allowance to compensate for increased living costs.
 
I have 2 teachers for parents, so our vacas are in the summer, however that 3 months isn't all its made out to be its 3 months with no pay. Others do work all year, but they get paid all year. I bet that they get paid more too. It is also more like 1 1/2 months. You get out middle or end of June, have all of July if you don't do extra work and you go back middle or end of Aug. You don't always get paid for all that time. My parent's days rarely end when the kids leave. My mom is the first one in and the last one out. Fri. she didn't get home until 7:45, because she was on the phone with a snarky parent. (This one lady..ugh!) If she worked a different job, she would have gotten over time. Others could probably take your vacation starting the day before Thanksgiving, my parents can't. Despite the fact that they are days you should be able to use when needed, if it's the day before a long weekend or holiday break you can't. Teaching is a job, not slavery, just because people pay taxes doesn't mean they control their lives. You pay your police salaries, but they are highly respected. If a teacher wants to take off, let them. Leaving proper sub plans will allow your child to learn. There are great subs who know exactly what they are doing. One week out of the year isn't going to kill your child. If they don't under stand the lesson they should stay after to get help. Teachers can't leave for at least 1/2 an hour so I bet if they asked, the teacher would stay.

My parents love their jobs, and wouldn't change them for the world. While the financial factor does put strains on our lives, it wouldn't change them. Teaching is a hard job that everybody thinks is easy. The stories my parents and their students tell me show me that in every way nothing would change them. My mom's kids love her and tell me that when ever I come visit. My dad used to be a class room teacher also. He still sees his kids and they always tell him what an impact he made on them. One kid was headed on the fast track to a life in prision. He got his act together and is now working as a manager at Dicks. While it might not be the job you think is great, the kid barely made the HS Diploma. He had a standard that "he wasn't getting paid to be there" He now understands that had he worked harder, he would have had a better job.

I get so upset when people act like they have control over teachers or that teaching is a cakewalk because of the summers and all you do is work with kids. My parents are great people. If one day they wanted to go and take a vacation they should be allowed. they aren't robots, they are humans! they need a day off like everybody. I love all my teachers and know how hard it is for them. Which is why I am always respectful. My communications teacher had knee surgery. He was out for 2 weeks. I don't care, nor did my parents. I was fine, had a killer segment this month and my teacher though I was amazing. 2 weeks no teacher and I was fine..who would have thunk it!
 
I have 2 teachers for parents, so our vacas are in the summer, however that 3 months isn't all its made out to be its 3 months with no pay. Others do work all year, but they get paid all year. I bet that they get paid more too. It is also more like 1 1/2 months. You get out middle or end of June, have all of July if you don't do extra work and you go back middle or end of Aug. You don't always get paid for all that time. My parent's days rarely end when the kids leave. My mom is the first one in and the last one out. Fri. she didn't get home until 7:45, because she was on the phone with a snarky parent. (This one lady..ugh!) If she worked a different job, she would have gotten over time. Others could probably take your vacation starting the day before Thanksgiving, my parents can't. Despite the fact that they are days you should be able to use when needed, if it's the day before a long weekend or holiday break you can't. Teaching is a job, not slavery, just because people pay taxes doesn't mean they control their lives. You pay your police salaries, but they are highly respected. If a teacher wants to take off, let them. Leaving proper sub plans will allow your child to learn. There are great subs who know exactly what they are doing. One week out of the year isn't going to kill your child. If they don't under stand the lesson they should stay after to get help. Teachers can't leave for at least 1/2 an hour so I bet if they asked, the teacher would stay.

My parents love their jobs, and wouldn't change them for the world. While the financial factor does put strains on our lives, it wouldn't change them. Teaching is a hard job that everybody thinks is easy. The stories my parents and their students tell me show me that in every way nothing would change them. My mom's kids love her and tell me that when ever I come visit. My dad used to be a class room teacher also. He still sees his kids and they always tell him what an impact he made on them. One kid was headed on the fast track to a life in prision. He got his act together and is now working as a manager at Dicks. While it might not be the job you think is great, the kid barely made the HS Diploma. He had a standard that "he wasn't getting paid to be there" He now understands that had he worked harder, he would have had a better job.

I get so upset when people act like they have control over teachers or that teaching is a cakewalk because of the summers and all you do is work with kids. My parents are great people. If one day they wanted to go and take a vacation they should be allowed. they aren't robots, they are humans! they need a day off like everybody. I love all my teachers and know how hard it is for them. Which is why I am always respectful. My communications teacher had knee surgery. He was out for 2 weeks. I don't care, nor did my parents. I was fine, had a killer segment this month and my teacher though I was amazing. 2 weeks no teacher and I was fine..who would have thunk it!


:banana: :dance3: :woohoo: :yay: :cheer2:

GREAT POST! From one daughter of a teacher to another! You said exactly what I've been trying to say. Sure my dad is a teacher, but he's also my dad. I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about!

:thumbsup2
 
And I am only looking at "low income" areas on LI because I don't want to deal with these obnoxious parents who make unreasonable demands because they pay high taxes.

I would rather make 1/2 and NOT "fight" the parents every week. Honestly, I've already heard the excuse that "Susie" can't do her homework on Tues/Thurs nights because she has gymnastics until late and then they have dinner and then it's time for quiet time and bed. Ohyea, Susie is in 2nd grade. So guess what, there can be no consequences for "Susie" not doing her homework 2x a week (parent already went to building principal about it).

My SIL teaches in a wealthy district in CT, and has a parent who demands that she CALL HIM before giving her son a "card" (a behavior technique she uses). She went to the principal, because obviously she can't STOP TEACHING to call this parent and say, "Your son just hit another child with his pencil, and I need to give him a card. Is that okay?"

Well, the principal is backing the parent. SIL needs to make the call before ANY disciplinary measure is taken. :confused3
 

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