What do you think about the Early Morning Magic Fantasyland ?

[whiporee]

Since its Masters week, this is the best correlation IMO.

Say you plan a once in a lifetime trip to Scotland to play some of the worlds greatest courses. Like Disney those courses are businesses and the travel is costly. If the legendary St. Andrews decides 1 month before your trip to announce 3 of the courses holes will be closed while you are there, you may feel cheated by that business.

I learned long ago not to tell people how they should feel.

Why would you feel cheated? If you had a tee time at St. Andrews and they closed three holes, then sure. But if you didn't --if the only things that changed were things you assumed would happen but were never guaranteed -- feeling cheated would be rather juvenile. I can see disappointed, but not cheated.

BTW -- a 7 putt today? You'd think at some point even an Augusta official woudl have told him to pick it up

 

[mshanson3121]

[QUOTthat's rook, post: 55512113, member: 200484"]It's a lot of money...[/QUOTE]

And thats your opinion. For us it's no more money, and worth as much as CRT. It'll be a love or hate thing.

 

[whiporee]

I think if there's no direct benefit to Rope Drop -- that lines are already developed and are developing -- then people wouldn't make being there central to their plan. And certainly it diminishes the need to sprint to where you're going.

 

[bcrook]

="mshanson3121, post: 55512180, member:

And thats your opinion. For us it's no more money, and worth as much as CRT. It'll be a love or hate thing.

Well, I think CRT is a lot of money too.

 

[Paigevon]

Enjoy Breakfast, Fly With Peter Pan, Explore the Seven Dwarfs Mine and More During ‘Disney Early Morning Magic’

Interesting wording in the blog's title...
Anyone think it's a hint or wishful thinking on my part?

 

[Planogirl]

I don't think anyone is missing the point, and I think everyone understands disappointment. What some take objection to is the idea that Disney did something wrong, or they callously messed up plans, because Disney didn't. If you made an ADR, Disney is going to serve you breakfast. That's all they ever promised to do. If you made the ADR with the intent of having Main Street to yourself, or to get an early jump on crowds, then your plans are messed up, but you were making plans based on assumptions that Disney is under no obligation to honor. I agree you've suffered a perceived loss, but the loss wasn't ever yours to really have. It was an added benefit that was nice, but not part of the package. WDW could have just as easily taken you the back way to your ADR, or escorted you back to the RD line, and you still would have gotten what you paid for. So the continual refrain if WDW screwing people over gets tiresome, because it's not true.

As for people upset because the benefits of RD are diminished, I say the same thing. Disney never ever promises that folks at Rope Drop will be the first and only ones in the park. Frankly, I think RD is the reason for this new program. It used to be Rope Drop was a cute little ceremony for those folks who wanted to get up early and see it. A few hundred people, maybe a thousand in the heart of the season. But now lines often go back much farther as people have learned about all the benefits of getting there early. And now they've had to put cast members in place to manage the throngs of people who want to sprint as soon as the doors open. They don't want people to have to think the only way to get tow of the most coveted rides in the park is to have to camp out the night before and they don't want their park's opening to continually be a stampede. So if this diminishes the viability of Rope Drop for some -- hopefully many -- people, WDW couldn't be happier.

Both this and the Evening event's purpose, in my opinion, is to even out the traffic flow during the day. They don't want 52,000 people arriving at opening and leaving at closing because that's a logistical nightmare. What they want is a nice even flow of people, maybe 5-7 hours at a time, because that makes the crowds more manageable. So they are going to give some of their crowd an early start with the hopes they'll get burned out by 3 or 4 (or earlier) and then give people who want to come later a chance to shorten their day, but get on more rides later at night. The crowds aren't getting smaller, and there's no indication they ever will. So WDW is trying to figure out a way to reduce the impacts of those crowds.

Disney makes it more and more necessary to plan. Of course no one HAS to plan but people usually do for any type of vacation and part of that planning is working out the parameters of the experience. Part of that was always rope drop. Always. Disney doesn't have to push rope drop but people always knew and I'm pretty confident that Disney was well aware of rope drop too. Otherwise why bother with opening ceremonies and leading people to certain attractions? They could have just ignored the whole thing.

A lot of people can't afford these extras. No one is guaranteed a trip to a Disney park but why in the world wouldn't some people be disappointed that this is what a WDW visit is turning into? If they express that disappointment by being angry or sad or just frustrated then who is anyone else to judge?

One more thing Disney could theoretically reduce the impact of the crowds by providing more capacity but of course that's too much trouble. I honestly think that some people (not you) would be happy with anything as long as the word Disney was stamped on it.

 

[frisbeego]

I would feel better if the wording was very limited tickets available.

From the website: "However, the number of available tickets is very limited—be sure to buy your tickets before it’s too late!"

I understand your point though. I'm anxious to hear how the first few EMMs go.

 

[kaytieeldr]

A dessert party doesn't really interfere with other guests. If you choose not to pay for them, no big deal.

This though does have a substantial impact on those not choosing to participate. Two more early morning entry days a week are being taken away from regular paying guests (and when I say regular paying - I am talking some people who spend between $700.00-$900.00 for an annual pass!!!).

Which EMH are being taken away? MK morning EMH is Friday, this event is Tuesday and Saturday Disney. The "regular" paying guests you cite potentially pay only $2-$3 per day.

I really like the phrase "magically ripped off"

This is a new kind of magic from Disney, money "magically" disappears from my pocket and my credit card "magically" maxes out

Unless your credit card magically has a mind of its own and charges experiences and merchandise completely without your input or knowledge, this and every other optional event isn't the hyperbolic "magically rip off".

Well, of course, I mean my plans.... and all of the other people who made their ADR's and are annoyed too. I am not the only one who is put out by this. I will be using the 3 FP's that I can get... BUT getting to the park at RD was another strategy that I (and plenty of other people) used to beat the crowds. I'm not sure why you are discounting what I am saying. I did my research and had a certain expectation from my planning. That's all.

You're annoyed, some other posters in this thread are annoyed, but you genuinely can't speak for all of the other people. Some are flexible, able/willing to roll with the punches.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Read most posts, not all so I apologize if this was already discussed.

It seems so far Extra Morning Magic are Tues/Sat and requires a park admission so I have to believe the parks will be more crowded those days as everyone is going to stick around. Extra Evening Magic (or whatever it is called) seem to be Thursdays and Sundays. Ticket holders will be allowed in at 7pm making the parade/fireworks more crowded and reportedly FP are available from 7pm to official close for special event ticket holders. If the pattern continues only Monday,Wednesday,Friday would be open for regular am/pm EMHs.
So how the heck do you plan around these? We typically avoid EMH parks, but now I have no idea which will be the lesser of two evils. Guess time will tell as the reports come in.

Sorry to all of you that had this thrown on top of your carefully planned days.

Well, AM EMH is Friday, PM EMH is Wednesday. Adding two morning events still leaves four more days each week where Disney could add EMH - Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Adding the two evening events still leaves Monday, Tuesday, Friday, and Saturday nights to add EMH if necessary.

FP+ availability for the evening events will still depend on actual availability. Yes, those guests will be eligible,but only if there are any left.

Since its Masters week, this is the best correlation IMO.

Say you plan a once in a lifetime trip to Scotland to play some of the worlds greatest courses. Like Disney those courses are businesses and the travel is costly. If the legendary St. Andrews decides 1 month before your trip to announce 3 of the courses holes will be closed while you are there, you may feel cheated by that business.

I learned long ago not to tell people how they should feel.

Better analogy would be St. Andrews opening three holes an hour or so early to golfers willing to pay extra. Disney isn't closing anything for EMH.

So FP+ made rope drop more necessary.

And now they are going to charge for rope drop earlier access to some FantasyLand attractions and breakfast possibly in lieu of the free access someguests were getting for, in some cases, the price of a cupcake and a drink.

Interesting...........hmmmmm

Fixed it for ya

 

[Merx]

Or avoid the parks on those days.

How soon until we have this at Epcot? DAK? And it will probably be standard operating procedure for Star Wars Land if it ever opens.

I think they'll probably have the same breakfast for the other lands in Magic Kingdom as well sooner rather than later

 

[3smithboys]

[QUOTE="kaytieeldr, post: 55512614, member: 89931"

You're annoyed, some other posters in this thread are annoyed, but you genuinely can't speak for all of the other people. Some are flexible, able/willing to roll with the punches.[/QUOTE]

You are quite right... I can not speak for every one... I should have said. I am annoyed and many people are annoyed too. I am also trying to be flexible by trying to change my days when I heard this was happening, but since I can't change my ADRs... We are just going with it... Not sure what else I can do..

 

[Merx]

I think there's a lot of emotions in this thread.

I can understand both sides of the argument

- Disney is a business to make profit
- Disney has a right to change things
- Disney encourage guests to make plans up to 180 days in advance
- Guests make their plans months in advance will feel disappointed if their plans gets affected by changes close to their travel time

I think everyone in these forums completely understand all the issues involved here, but I read some phrases like "why do you feel this way", or "I don't understand why you do this or that..."

Of course I won't understand, because I'm not the other person. Some people won't understand why I choose to spend $xxx on a Disney vacation, as I won't understand why some people would do this or that, because I'm not them.

That's my 2 cents

 

[plutoloversmom]

That doesn't even sound like fun. The only ride I would care to do is 7DMT. It's not really any different then getting an early morning ADR and walking slowly to the ride you want to go on the most.

 

[bcrook]

Which EMH are being taken away? MK morning EMH is Friday, this event is Tuesday and Saturday Disney. The "regular" paying guests you cite potentially pay only $2-$3 per day.

Two more "rope drop" days are being taken away. EMH days are best to be avoided if you want the best crowd experience. The non-EMH rope drop days are a valuable part of buying a regular ticket.

So valuable that Disney is now charging more for some of them. The added cost devalues an already expensive ticket. You get less for a higher price. That is not opinion, that is fact.

Whether or not this is a good business move for Disney we will have to see. It may work out short term, it may drive customers away. It may become permanent and expand. I don't know.

But for those not willing to pay more to play. It's a pretty big hit. Less access to the parks in the morning and evening.

As for the $2-$3 comment. I have no idea what you are talking about. I only have access to WDW a set number of days. $700.00 is a lot of money for an annual pass that I paid only $400.00 for a few years ago. Now I have more restrictions to go with it.

I would be foolish not to consider these things before I renew.

 

[jknc]

Two more "rope drop" days are being taken away. EMH days are best to be avoided if you want the best crowd experience. The non-EMH rope drop days are a valuable part of buying a regular ticket.

So valuable that Disney is now charging more for some of them. The added cost devalues an already expensive ticket. You get less for a higher price. That is not opinion, that is fact.

Whether or not this is a good business move for Disney we will have to see. It may work out short term, it may drive customers away. It may become permanent and expand. I don't know.

But for those not willing to pay more to play. It's a pretty big hit. Less access to the parks in the morning and evening.

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The loss of evening access is my biggest concern. We don't do hoppers, so we pick a park and that's our home for the day.

If MK hours for June remain as they are right now, based on our 3 days scheduled to be there we lose a total of 9 operational hours compared to 2015.

As I explained to the CM yesterday, that's like losing an entire park day in and of itself.

 

[jbish]

Well, of course, I mean my plans.... and all of the other people who made their ADR's and are annoyed too. I am not the only one who is put out by this. I will be using the 3 FP's that I can get... BUT getting to the park at RD was another strategy that I (and plenty of other people) used to beat the crowds. I'm not sure why you are discounting what I am saying. I did my research and had a certain expectation from my planning. That's all.

Thank you. But, you're trying to voice your opinion and frustrations to the guy that quoted my own response with an eyeroll emoticon. Sympathy much? Not really.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

If I were staying on world then I would wait for EMH then rope drop if not and couldn't get a FP+ then at least it gives people the chance to ride these rides at a fee if they so wish. We all have different budgets. It might be their only chance and if they can afford it good luck to them. People book those Disney Guides at a way higher price. Each to his own. My only concern is that Disney 'accidentally' lol reduce FP+ available the days it is on offer thus creating it's own demand...oh I can't get a FP+ but I could do that special event...

 

[jbish]

If 7DMT can handle 1400 people per hour and Peter Pan and Pooh can handle 700 each. I don't think it would be unreasonable for 2000 people. 400 capacity at Pinnochio could absorb the crowds over a period of 2.5 hours. If not, they can offer breakfast at Gastons Tavern or CHH.

This would just be insane. Just because capacity at the three rides "could" handle 2,000 people doesn't mean they should do it. For argument's sake, let's say half of your 2,000 people example head to 7DMT (because I do think most will head there first), and I'm the last to arrive since I would need to drag my family of five from the gate to the back of FL. As the 1,000th person in line, I'd be looking at anywhere from a 40 minute wait (at a rate of 1,400 people per hour) to 50 minutes (I read elsewhere that it was a 100 person/5 minutes loading rate). Who would wait that long if you paid $70 for a short line??? That's a disaster waiting to happen.

And let's say that "Person 1,000" decides to give up and go elsewhere, now where to? Pooh or PP where maybe 300 people each have gotten into the queue? Now they're 30+ mins behind? Okay, never mind. Let's go have breakfast first with the other 400 people (which is, supposedly, capacity at Pinocchio's, so that might take a while). Eat breakfast and come back out maybe 20 minutes later - first 400 people have gone through 7DMT and half get right back in line - so the line is still long. Guess they'll just have to get in line and the wait has now dropped to maybe 30 minutes (provided that the ride is running without issues). If that were me - I'd be LIVID.

 

[Hikergirl]

And why chastise people for stating their feelings?

Not for their feelings, they way they are acting. You (not you personally, but a general you) come and post with a certain attitude its going to get called out. There are many posters here expressing disappointment, there are some here though acting very entitled, all I did was address that poster. Sometimes the truth hurts when its being hurled at you and I admit that I could have done it in a different way but I didn't and I'm not going to apologize for expressing my opinion on how that poster comes across. Its a public message board so be prepared for the public to comment on you what you post.

 

[hiroMYhero]

Good morning! It's 5:00a here on the West Coast and just dropping in to remind everyone to keep this discussion non-argumentative. Many posts have already been deleted and we'd like to keep this relevant discussion open to all.