What do you do with people that cut in line to meet up with group?

[WillAustin]

I am just curious at all those of you who say you DON'T LET THEM BY....what do you do? Make your body big, stand wide, hold your arms out to your sides, physically block them?

I have never done this or had this issue come up while I was at any park, but am just curious, how far would you go to block someone from getting by? Are you willing to get into a fist fight over it? If they try to push past you are you going to hit them? Start yelling for security? Physically restrain them or hold onto them so they can't squeeze past you?

I think it is kind of funny that some of you feel such ownership over the line that you are willing to start a fight with someone to keep them from getting past you. And some of you even PLAN FOR THIS and block the line right from the get go so nobody trying to get past you can get by unless YOU FEEL they have a valid reason or you think it is OK to let them by.

If I had to leave my party and was trying to get back through the line to join my family and YOU STOPPED ME...we would both be removed from the park I promise you. You wouldn't stop me.

I'm a pretty big guy and yes, I do block the line. If someone is dumb enough to try to push past without a polite excuse me and a reason, they don't get past. I've only called a CM once and the three guys pushing by everyone were removed from the line. I don't know that they even really had anyone up ahead to join.

As others have said, there is a difference between ONE person returning from a bathroom run, or a parent with a child. If someone told me they had to run to the bathroom, then I'd be willing to hold their place. I've done that on more than one occasion.

It's the groups who don't make eye contact, keep their heads down, push through and say almost nothing that I have a problem with. If someone has a legitimate reason, it takes no effort to be apologetic, polite, and grateful.

If you've never encountered the large group trying to move past everyone else, I can assure you it does happen.

In my opinion life's too short to ignore everyone else because there might be some sort of confrontation.

If your group is separated, don't get in line until everyone arrives.

 

[katdralion]

You may hate me, but I don't let anyone pass me to "join their family just over there" unless they passed by me on their out of the line before for a potty break or to buy some water. I don't think it's fair to other people in line if you leave one family member holding 4 other people spots while you are out doing whatever. If your family really wants to ride together, they will have to wait for you outside the queue because you are definitely not going past me.

I really don't see what the big deal is here! You still have the same wait time regardless of whether everyone waits in line or a couple of family members go to the bathroom (or do whatever) and rejoin their family later. It makes no difference so why not let them pass?

 

[MolonLabe]

In no way, shape or form did I EVER advocate getting physical!! Show me one single instance where I recommended laying a hand on another person!! Even the suggestion is offensive to me. Standing (or in my case sitting) in place and refusing to move can be construed as getting phyisical in what way???? And by the way, if my second post was too obscure for you- it was a joking reference to a rather famous line from the Lord of the Rings.

Again, I will reiterate. Only one person on this thread has mentioned 'getting physical'. It certainly was not me. Goose-Gander my rosy red ......

You said you and your husband would physically block their passage on purpose. A physical response to your physical action is a very real consequence of your direct action.

You may view yourself and high and mighty because you sit on a ECV but not every one in society thinks so. I think this thread is bearing that out.'

Like I said, you have no moral high ground here. You get physical with someone by blocking their way, don't be surprised when someone physically moves past you.

You can try and be as cutesy as you want, it won't work all the time.

Your supposed outrage is thinly veiled and appears to hiding much anger and resentment.

Physical actions beget physical responses sometimes. That's life.

I still find it shocking someone advocating a physical response is shocked when a physical reaction is suggested as a possible outcome as a direct result of the initial action.

and yes, what's good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.

On a side note, this is why I tell my children (or at least my 14 yer old) that "people suck". In a polite society where people respected each other, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...On a side note, this is why I tell my children (or at least my 14 yer old) that "people suck". In a polite society where people respected each other, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

You know, you are right. Because other people wouldn't think they were entitled to head to the front of the line because they were special. Everyone would wait their turn and be polite. They would keep their party together, just like the CMs tell them to, and wait together. And if they couldn't wait together, they would either split up or wait until they could go together. And if someone was hot in line, they would just suck it up and get a drink when they got out of line. They wouldn't expect to be able to leave the line and get a drink.

But we all know that ain't gonna happen. Some people are just special.

 

[WillAustin]

Everyone would wait their turn and be polite.

I always assumed that's what the idea of a "line" is.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I always assumed that's what the idea of a "line" is.

Exactly!

 

[MolonLabe]

You know, you are right. Because other people wouldn't think they were entitled to head to the front of the line because they were special. Everyone would wait their turn and be polite. They would keep their party together, just like the CMs tell them to, and wait together. And if they couldn't wait together, they would either split up or wait until they could go together. And if someone was hot in line, they would just suck it up and get a drink when they got out of line. They wouldn't expect to be able to leave the line and get a drink.

But we all know that ain't gonna happen. Some people are just special.

That was pretty much my point.

 

[SRUAlmn]

Seriously, I don't agree with the "cutting" at all, however, I have an issue with part of your post. You don't like it when adults are getting in front of all the children waiting. As a childless couple I have a real problem with people acting like Disney is enjoyed more by kids and is FOR kids. We go every year and it is the best place in the world to us. I get irritated when people act like we shouldn't get to enjoy ourselves as much because we're adults

 

[brettcw23]

i don't have a problem with it unless it's a large group. My girls are 4 and 7 and if we're in a long line, my wife or I at times take both girls to go to the bathroom and then come back to where we were. Or my wife will get in line while I'm grabbing FP's for a ride. Right or wrong it's definitelya different approach than other amusement parks. Just my opinion.

In my multiple trips to the World I have never had anyone say anything negatively to me or vice versa.

Again, I'm talking about 1 person or my wife\kids coming back tot he line. I personally wouldn't expect to wait in a line for 45 minutes and then my family just come up and join me at the last second.

 

[LucyBC80]

I really don't see what the big deal is here! You still have the same wait time regardless of whether everyone waits in line or a couple of family members go to the bathroom (or do whatever) and rejoin their family later. It makes no difference so why not let them pass?

Did you read my post? I have no problem letting anyone BACK to their families if they had to left to go to the bathroom or grab something to eat/drink. I don't even care if a little one was bored and started to fuss and a parent decides ton take him for a walk. Better than some kid wailing next to my ear.

What I do have a problem with are people who send one or two people to hold spots for their whole group/family and think they can just barge in when the mood strikes. Those are the ones I won't let pass.

Again I repeat. If your family wants to ride together, they may as well wait for the missing members out of the queue because they are not going past me.

It may makes no difference to you, but I see it as a very rude behavior.

 

[katdralion]

Sorry, but you sound like one of the people most of the posters don't like. Your 9 yr old son is bored so he doesn't have to wait in line? Everyone is hot so you get to leave the line to get them all drinks?

Lots of people could be bored standing in a line, but that's what you have to do if you want to see the CP. Frozen drinks for everyone? Not for the rest of the people who waited in line.

Maybe you didn't notice it so much because you were busy doing it yourself?

As I've said before it doesn't bother me if people do this as long as they are polite when they come back. It doesn't make the actual wait any longer for anyone and you don't have to push by anyone to get back in line as everyone is just sitting or standing on the pavement. Everyone in line is free to do the same thing so I don't consider it unfair.

The first time we went to DLP our guide book actually gave strategies for enabling your kids to ride twice with less wait time. One parent gets in line with the kids and the other parent waits and counts a specific no of people before getting in line ( the book gave the no. of people for each ride). Then when the first parent has finished riding with the kids they skip back down the line to where the 2cnd parent is waiting. I personally wouldn't do this as it would mean pushing past people in line which I wouldn't do without good reason.

I don't however think it is rude to leave a line for something and return again as long as you don't have to push past people to do it. It doesn't impact their wait time so why should they care?

Maybe it's a European/ American thing but it just doesn't bother me as long as people are polite. Don't get me wrong, It's not something we do on a regular basis. We have being going to Disney for 18 years and it's only happened on a handful of occasions.

PS I don't think it's very nice to dislike someone you've never met just because they do things slightly differently from you.

 

[larryz]

A physical response to your physical action is a very real consequence of your direct action.

Standing shoulder to shoulder in line across the path does not constitute assault, particularly if the person who is cutting the line has no reasonable expectation of being allowed ahead of the person blocking their path.

A line jumper barging into someone who is blocking their way as they cut the line could be construed as battery under Florida law. If they threaten physical violence before doing so, it could include a charge of assault. Here's some light reading on the subject...
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.03.html

Besides being illegal, it's just plain rude, spoiled and childish. Choosing to commit a physical assault in response to someone non-belligerently holding their own place in line is an inappropriate response, which an intelligent person would have learned in elementary school.

You might be at Disney World with your family, but when you didn't get in line WITH your family, as far as I'm concerned, you just declared your intent to ride the ride alone.

Yes, there are always exceptions, such as illness, sudden calls of nature and the like, but getting FastPasses, buying refreshments, or riding other rides for your own convenience at the expense of others who are patiently waiting in line ARE NOT acceptable exceptions.

If your family/group isn't together when they get in line, they should have no expectation of riding together.

Let me say it again... The family that gets in line together, should not have to whine together.

Seriously, I don't understand why some people here are so quick to defend the churlish bullies or wanna-be scam artists who never learned that getting in line and waiting your turn is the civilized, accepted norm.

Of course, this is just my own not-so-humble opinion.

 

[minnie mum]

You said you and your husband would physically block their passage on purpose. A physical response to your physical action is a very real consequence of your direct action.

You may view yourself and high and mighty because you sit on a ECV but not every one in society thinks so. I think this thread is bearing that out.'

Like I said, you have no moral high ground here. You get physical with someone by blocking their way, don't be surprised when someone physically moves past you.

You can try and be as cutesy as you want, it won't work all the time.

Your supposed outrage is thinly veiled and appears to hiding much anger and resentment.

Physical actions beget physical responses sometimes. That's life.

I still find it shocking someone advocating a physical response is shocked when a physical reaction is suggested as a possible outcome as a direct result of the initial action.

and yes, what's good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.

On a side note, this is why I tell my children (or at least my 14 yer old) that "people suck". In a polite society where people respected each other, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

So according to you simply standing and sitting where we are in line is a physical action? Doing nothing but remaining where we are is a physical action that is inviting and justifying violence? You honestly believe this?

And I view myself as high and mighty because I sit in a wheelchair (not an ECV by the way)? PLEASE explain this to me. From where I am seated I am anywhere but high, and if you ask my DH am anything but mighty.

No, I do not move out of the way for rude, pushy groups of teens or arrogant pushy men who think they can barge past everyone else because they think they're just too special to wait like everyone else. As I said quite clearly in my initial post, I have absolutely no problem with someone taking a child to and from a potty break. Or anyone else that I have seen leave the line and then return. And in 35 years of going to WDW, DL, and DLP, I have NEVER ONCE had a physical response. Line cutters know that what they are doing is wrong and when called on it have no response. If and when we ever encounter a person who was rude and boorish enough to physically shove us aside (it takes more than a little effort to move one of those chairs within the confines of a narrow line), then I would never lower myself to their level and resist. I may be opinionated, but I hope I am not stupid.

For some reason you feel that my objection to your assertions constitutes some deep seated anger and resentment. I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but all I was feeling was repugnance of the views of the poster who first mentioned the use of fists and fighting. And outrage at your statement that I advocated physical confrontation. That's like saying Ghandi was a war monger for crying out loud. Do you not understand the difference between passive resistance and physical aggression? Please don't ascribe motivations to people of whom you have no actual knowledge.

You actually told your 14 year old child that people suck? The mind boggles. In a polite society, where people respected each other justifying the use of physical violence to get to the head of a line certainly would not need to be discussed.

 

[LucyBC80]

Standing shoulder to shoulder in line across the path does not constitute assault, particularly if the person who is cutting the line has no reasonable expectation of being allowed ahead of the person blocking their path.

A line jumper barging into someone who is blocking their way as they cut the line could be construed as battery under Florida law. If they threaten physical violence before doing so, it could include a charge of assault. Here's some light reading on the subject...
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html

Besides being illegal, it's just plain rude, spoiled and childish. Choosing to commit a physical assault in response to someone non-belligerently holding their own place in line is an inappropriate response, which an intelligent person would have learned in elementary school.

You might be at Disney World with your family, but when you didn't get in line WITH your family, as far as I'm concerned, you just declared your intent to ride the ride alone.

Yes, there are always exceptions, such as illness, sudden calls of nature and the like, but getting FastPasses, buying refreshments, or riding other rides for your own convenience at the expense of others who are patiently waiting in line ARE NOT acceptable exceptions.

If your family/group isn't together when they get in line, they should have no expectation of riding together.

Let me say it again... The family that gets in line together, should not have to whine together.

Seriously, I don't understand why some people here are so quick to defend the churlish bullies or wanna-be scam artists who never learned that getting in line and waiting your turn is the civilized, accepted norm.

Of course, this is just my own not-so-humble opinion.

Where is the LIKE button when you need it?

 

[Bullseye]

Standing shoulder to shoulder in line across the path does not constitute assault, particularly if the person who is cutting the line has no reasonable expectation of being allowed ahead of the person blocking their path.

A line jumper barging into someone who is blocking their way as they cut the line could be construed as battery under Florida law. If they threaten physical violence before doing so, it could include a charge of assault. Here's some light reading on the subject...
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.03.html

Besides being illegal, it's just plain rude, spoiled and childish. Choosing to commit a physical assault in response to someone non-belligerently holding their own place in line is an inappropriate response, which an intelligent person would have learned in elementary school.

You might be at Disney World with your family, but when you didn't get in line WITH your family, as far as I'm concerned, you just declared your intent to ride the ride alone.

Yes, there are always exceptions, such as illness, sudden calls of nature and the like, but getting FastPasses, buying refreshments, or riding other rides for your own convenience at the expense of others who are patiently waiting in line ARE NOT acceptable exceptions.

If your family/group isn't together when they get in line, they should have no expectation of riding together.

Let me say it again... The family that gets in line together, should not have to whine together.

Seriously, I don't understand why some people here are so quick to defend the churlish bullies or wanna-be scam artists who never learned that getting in line and waiting your turn is the civilized, accepted norm.

Of course, this is just my own not-so-humble opinion.

Larry baby, you're the man! Nicely put!
It's such a simple concept, everybody knows whats right, yet they choose to ignore or actually defend the line cutters. I don't get it either.

 

[Sammie]

As I've said before it doesn't bother me if people do this as long as they are polite when they come back. It doesn't make the actual wait any longer for anyone and you don't have to push by anyone to get back in line as everyone is just sitting or standing on the pavement. Everyone in line is free to do the same thing so I don't consider it unfair.

The first time we went to DLP our guide book actually gave strategies for enabling your kids to ride twice with less wait time. One parent gets in line with the kids and the other parent waits and counts a specific no of people before getting in line ( the book gave the no. of people for each ride). Then when the first parent has finished riding with the kids they skip back down the line to where the 2cnd parent is waiting. I personally wouldn't do this as it would mean pushing past people in line which I wouldn't do without good reason.

I don't however think it is rude to leave a line for something and return again as long as you don't have to push past people to do it. It doesn't impact their wait time so why should they care?

Maybe it's a European/ American thing but it just doesn't bother me as long as people are polite. Don't get me wrong, It's not something we do on a regular basis. We have being going to Disney for 18 years and it's only happened on a handful of occasions.

PS I don't think it's very nice to dislike someone you've never met just because they do things slightly differently from you.

It does make the wait time longer if they send one person ahead to hold a space for twenty. However if as I said earlier it is a family that is already in line "together" and a child needs a potty break, one parent leaves with the child and comes back, then no you are not going to have to wait any longer because the total number of people in front of you has not changed.

Its two completely different scenarios and therefore two different responses as to whether one is acceptable and one is not.

Some waiting areas are easier to step out and get back in, others very difficult.

 

[MolonLabe]

You actually told your 14 year old child that people suck? The mind boggles. In a polite society, where people respected each other justifying the use of physical violence to get to the head of a line certainly would not need to be discussed.

I find the position you ascribe to just as repugnant as the person who would also be physical in getting past you. You are both behaving terribly and one action in no way justifies the other. So yes, people do suck.

Doing something (taking a psychical action) you know could elicit a psychical response and then claiming to be innocent because of it is an absurd notion. Like I said, you can play "king of line" all you want. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

It's like the person who stops walking while crossing a street and then wonders why they got hit? Cause and effect.

I've never justified the line jumpers, and I wouldn't, but to claim you have some sort of high ground while purposefully taking a physical stance against another is absurd.

My point goes directly to your against a PP.

Trying to create some sort of straw-man to make yourself look better after the fact isn't helping you either.

 

[WillAustin]

The idea that someone who has been politely and patiently waiting in a line should happily move aside for someone who wasn't ever previously in front of them for no good reason is ludicrous.

The concept of a line at it's most basic level requires people to remain politely in the order they arrived.

Staying in your spot is not a physical affront toward anyone.

Most line jumpers are counting on people to avoid confrontation and look the other way.

 

[MolonLabe]

The idea that someone who has been politely and patiently waiting in a line should happily move aside for someone who wasn't ever previously in front of them for no good reason is ludicrous.

I agree. 100%. Perhaps you are confusing me with a PP. My comments have nothing to do with that however. They go directly to two posters advocating physically challenging each other.

The concept of a line at it's most basic level requires people to remain politely in the order they arrived.

Again I agree. Harkens back to hilarious line I once heard about "we might as well be still swinging in the trees and flinging our poo at each other".

Staying in your spot is not a physical affront toward anyone.

Again Agreed.

Most line jumpers are counting on people to avoid confrontation and look the other way.

Agree again.

My comments have nothing to do with the above however.

It's simple: If you challenge someone, eventually someone is going to take you up on that challenge.

Just like your point about line jumpers hoping to avoid confrontation, so too is someone trying to be king of the line and act like a cop. They are counting on the same thing. Just like the line jumper, eventually someone is going to call their bluff.

As I said before, I'd get a heck of a chuckle seeing these two square off against each other in a line.

 

[rt2dz]

Seriously, I don't agree with the "cutting" at all, however, I have an issue with part of your post. You don't like it when adults are getting in front of all the children waiting. As a childless couple I have a real problem with people acting like Disney is enjoyed more by kids and is FOR kids. We go every year and it is the best place in the world to us. I get irritated when people act like we shouldn't get to enjoy ourselves as much because we're adults

Since you did not quote anyone, I'm not exactly sure which post you are directly responding to. However, I will say in general people don't have a problem when children go by because most of the time, it is about getting out of line and returning later for a child who cannot wait (usually to use the bathroom). It's easy to forgive a child because children are still learning. Adults on the other hand, should have patience and understanding of social norms (that it is rude and degrading to others). Most adults wouldn't have a sudden bathroom emergency that a 3 year old might have. It's not a matter of kids first, but a matter of capabilities.