What do you do with people that cut in line to meet up with group?

[ellie05]

What's ridiculous is the idea that anyone would line jump to get into Ellen's Energy Adventure...

Only if you wait your turn in line no cutting.

minnie mum you are right. Great post!

 

[HayGan]

And it is precisely because of posters like this that we will never see the end of line cutting. It is not just the overtly rude and selfish line cutters who know that what they are doing is wrong but deliberately do it anyway just to save themselves the time of waiting in line like everyone else.

It is the entitled guest who can't comprehend that what they are doing could possibly be wrong- and the one who refuses to acknowledge that what they are doing is inconveniencing every guest that they push in front of. The one who feels that their case is so much more important or is such an exception, that the rules don't apply to them. And how dare we suggest otherwise. THESE are the people who will ensure that line cutting continues. Until Disney allows their employees to grow a set and clamps down on the jumpers and cutters.

I will agree completely that it was selfish me not wanting to miss an hour worth of vacation time with my family. However, I completely disagree that it was terrible or even rude to ask a few people "I'm sorry - please excuse me so I can join my family". I don't think that a better solution would have been my husband/family plowing back through the line. Those ~20 people I passed weren't inconvenienced by taking one step to the side as I passed by. C'mon really it is an inconvenience to take one step to the left or right???? There were many groups who experienced a random act of kindness because they got to ride one log earlier because my husband/family let them pass by (because if I had been there originally they would have been riding one log later.) BTW, my husband and I were calling each other at the same time when we realized what happened. When I saw them stopped just inside the building, I moved along with the line until I reached them. The people who were kind enough to let me pass rode in the same exact log that they would have if I had been with my family when they originally enetered the line. We actually talked with the family immediately behind us (who I passed) about fastpasses. They were from Alabama and it was their one and only day in the MK and we gave them FPs for BTMRR so they really benefited from being so kind to me. This situation was out of the norm for us as we do usually wait at the entrance of a ride while someone gets fastpasses. Rudeness should never be tolerated but we really can't be so kind as to let someone pass without making a stink about it?!? Sad, sad society when we can't demonstrate a little kindness for others without thinking about how very, very little that kindess may (or may not) cost us - which in this case worst a step or two to the side - or in other similar cases an extra minute of wait time. There is a big difference in a big group trying to "cut" the line or some teenagers looking to get up as far as they can in line than a mom or dad who is just trying to get back to their family. I really can't believe that people can be so rigid and cold that they would have a family miss an hour of vacation time together and riding a ride together because of something like this.

I still can't believe that this is such a major problem overall that we have so many threads and so many arguments about this on a regular basis!!!

 

[maxiesmom]

HayGan--The problem is is that if it ok for you to push by people to join your family in line, then it is ok for everyone to do so. And really it is not. Just think about the mess the whole system would be in if everyone did what you did. There is no way you could look at a line and have an idea of how long the wait was. There is no way Disney could post a wait time that was at all accurate, as you would have hundreds of people shoving past those in the line in order to get ahead and ride.

I've gotten separated from my family in line before, and you know what they did? They came back to the beginning of the line and got me. I didn't push past others who were already waiting patiently in line.

In all honesty I think it is nice that people let you move up so you could ride with the rest of your family. But I don't think people should expect others to do what they did, and think nothing of it. And people shouldn't be made to feel bad about not letting people push past them.

 

[Rip]

I will agree completely that it was selfish me not wanting to miss an hour worth of vacation time with my family. However, I completely disagree that it was terrible or even rude to ask a few people "I'm sorry - please excuse me so I can join my family". I don't think that a better solution would have been my husband/family plowing back through the line. Those ~20 people I passed weren't inconvenienced by taking one step to the side as I passed by. C'mon really it is an inconvenience to take one step to the left or right???? There were many groups who experienced a random act of kindness because they got to ride one log earlier because my husband/family let them pass by (because if I had been there originally they would have been riding one log later.) BTW, my husband and I were calling each other at the same time when we realized what happened. When I saw them stopped just inside the building, I moved along with the line until I reached them. The people who were kind enough to let me pass rode in the same exact log that they would have if I had been with my family when they originally enetered the line. We actually talked with the family immediately behind us (who I passed) about fastpasses. They were from Alabama and it was their one and only day in the MK and we gave them FPs for BTMRR so they really benefited from being so kind to me. This situation was out of the norm for us as we do usually wait at the entrance of a ride while someone gets fastpasses. Rudeness should never be tolerated but we really can't be so kind as to let someone pass without making a stink about it?!? Sad, sad society when we can't demonstrate a little kindness for others without thinking about how very, very little that kindess may (or may not) cost us - which in this case worst a step or two to the side - or in other similar cases an extra minute of wait time. There is a big difference in a big group trying to "cut" the line or some teenagers looking to get up as far as they can in line than a mom or dad who is just trying to get back to their family. I really can't believe that people can be so rigid and cold that they would have a family miss an hour of vacation time together and riding a ride together because of something like this.

I still can't believe that this is such a major problem overall that we have so many threads and so many arguments about this on a regular basis!!!

It's mostly just a "problem" on here. I rather doubt very many people outside of these types of highly self-selected chat boards would care one bit about what you did. As you pointed out, it isn't comparable to a large group or even a large portion of someone's family trying to push their way through the line. In your case, most of those people would have been just as inconvenienced by your husband and children trying to make their way back to you.

As I said earlier, there isn't any way I would let someone politely asking to slip by me bother me in the least.

 

[HayGan]

HayGan--The problem is is that if it ok for you to push by people to join your family in line, then it is ok for everyone to do so. And really it is not. Just think about the mess the whole system would be in if everyone did what you did. There is no way you could look at a line and have an idea of how long the wait was. There is no way Disney could post a wait time that was at all accurate, as you would have hundreds of people shoving past those in the line in order to get ahead and ride.

I've gotten separated from my family in line before, and you know what they did? They came back to the beginning of the line and got me. I didn't push past others who were already waiting patiently in line.

In all honesty I think it is nice that people let you move up so you could ride with the rest of your family. But I don't think people should expect others to do what they did, and think nothing of it. And people shouldn't be made to feel bad about not letting people push past them.

But not everyone does it - it is a very infrequent occurance. There isn't enforcement of it now and not everyone is doing it. I don't understand what makes some people think that there all of the sudden is going to be this flood of people doing it. I don't think as a society that we have to be so rigid as to never make exceptions in circumstances which dictate it. Then again I often let someone pass me in the line in the grocery store when they only a have a few items and I have a cartful or if I'm not in a hurry and they appear to be. Sure I was there first but I recognize that a little kindness can go along way.

In my situation, I would have understood if someone said no (they had every right to do so) but I'm thankful that those people I did pass were kind enough not to do so. I wouldn't have made a stink about it and I would have still made it to my family eventually. However, in my case everyone was happy where as when people chose to not be as kind everyone is left with a bitter taste in their mouth (to some extent.) I just think that the act of kindness can go alot further in keeping the magic alive for everyone than creating such a negative feel for the parties involved.

 

[ttintagel]

In all honesty I think it is nice that people let you move up so you could ride with the rest of your family. But I don't think people should expect others to do what they did, and think nothing of it. And people shouldn't be made to feel bad about not letting people push past them.

EXACTLY.

If someone ASKS me if I'll let him by because he got separated from his family, I will absolutely say, "Sure!" and let him through.

If he just breezes by with the smug sense of entitlement that I HAVE to let him through, that's incredibly rude and self-important.

I'll always make the choice to help out someone who's nice about it. But it darn well is MY choice, not his.

 

[HayGan]

EXACTLY.

If someone ASKS me if I'll let him by because he got separated from his family, I will absolutely say, "Sure!" and let him through.

If he just breezes by with the smug sense of entitlement that I HAVE to let him through, that's incredibly rude and self-important.

I'll always make the choice to help out someone who's nice about it. But it darn well is MY choice, not his.

I agree completely That's the point I have been trying to make. Each situation is different and shoudl be treated as such. I just get the feeling from many posters here that there is absoultely no circumstance in which some kindness is warranted no matter how politely people ask.

 

[Experiment113]

Ya watch out for those kinds of people. On person will wait in line and twenty more in their party come and join them. ANNOYING! Just keep your cool. Disney is the happiest place on Earth so just stay happy!

 

[ctl]

I generally don't mind letting one person or two go past me, especially the kids potty emergency. I have had to leave the line to use the bathroom myself (standing for over an hour in line with a drink will do that to me! I'm thinking Peter Pan). But when I come back from the restroom I usually join the back of the line, even if it means I miss riding with my family. With small kids I generally don't have a problem. My main problem is with tour groups and families of 10 to 15 trying to cut in line, (and yes that did happen to me at Peter Pan). They were Americans (with loud, rough intimidating voices). The entire family of about 10 more people, cut in line. 3 family members had been standing in line. They were actually behind us, so I didn't have to deal with the problem, but they literally pushed people out of the way and handed small kids over the top of the bars to slot them in and then the adults moved up through the line. This was a little too blatant for me, but CMs did nothing and they ignored those in line who tried to stop them. I always tell my kids that we need to take our turn and I think that those adults should also have to take their turn, but honestly they were loud and obnoxious and I think that people were generally scared of them

 

[goodfood4ursoul]

I will agree completely that it was selfish me not wanting to miss an hour worth of vacation time with my family. However, I completely disagree that it was terrible or even rude to ask a few people "I'm sorry - please excuse me so I can join my family". I don't think that a better solution would have been my husband/family plowing back through the line.

I don't think that anyone suggested that your family "plow back" through line,
simply allow the people between you to pass them until you catch up with them.
"I'm sorry - please excuse me so I can join my family" is not a question, it is a sweetly worded demand.
A courteous question would be "Would it be okay with you if I scooted past you so that I could join my family?" and then waiting for an answer.
I would have let you pass... and I wouldn't have even said "bless your little heart"...

However, I am sure nobody would have objected to your husband saying,
"Please go on ahead of us, we are waiting for my wife."
And that would have been another polite, thoughtful, courteous, and right thing to do.
Do you really think that would have cost you a whole hour?

Figuring out what the "right thing to do" is and then doing it is becoming more and more challenging these days.

My easy way of deciding what is right to do is this-
I ask myself
"Will I have to explain that my actions really didn't hurt anyone and attempt to justify to others why I did what I did?

If the answer is yes, it probably was not the right thing to do.

And we all occasionally find ourselves on the wrong side of that question from time to time.
We are human- everyone makes mistakes.
But some folks consider their mistakes to be personally profitable enough to make them into repeatable habits.

That is what is most disturbing about this thread- that some people (not picking any one person out)
feel that they are justified in poor behavior because they got ahead at the expense of others who did the right thing.

EXACTLY.

If someone ASKS me if I'll let him by because he got separated from his family, I will absolutely say, "Sure!" and let him through.

If he just breezes by with the smug sense of entitlement that I HAVE to let him through, that's incredibly rude and self-important.

I'll always make the choice to help out someone who's nice about it. But it darn well is MY choice, not his.

Amen!

 

[HayGan]

I don't think that anyone suggested that your family "plow back" through line,
simply allow the people between you to pass them until you catch up with them.
"I'm sorry - please excuse me so I can join my family" is not a question, it is a sweetly worded demand.
A courteous question would be "Would it be okay with you if I scooted past you so that I could join my family?" and then waiting for an answer.
I would have let you pass... and I wouldn't have even said "bless your little heart"...

However, I am sure nobody would have objected to your husband saying,
"Please go on ahead of us, we are waiting for my wife."
And that would have been another polite, thoughtful, courteous, and right thing to do.
Do you really think that would have cost you a whole hour?

Figuring out what the "right thing to do" is and then doing it is becoming more and more challenging these days.

My easy way of deciding what is right to do is this-
I ask myself
"Will I have to explain that my actions really didn't hurt anyone and attempt to justify to others why I did what I did?

If the answer is yes, it probably was not the right thing to do.

And we all occasionally find ourselves on the wrong side of that question from time to time.
We are human- everyone makes mistakes.
But some folks consider their mistakes to be personally profitable enough to make them into repeatable habits.

That is what is most disturbing about this thread- that some people (not picking any one person out)
feel that they are justified in poor behavior because they got ahead at the expense of others who did the right thing.





Amen!

If you would have read my posts, you would have seen that is exactly what my husband did when he realized I wasn't with them. And also that when I was able to see that they had stopped to wait for me I no longer asked others to pass them. I simply politely asked to pass others when I couldn't see my family.

I posted my scenario knowing full well that I would bring on the wrath of the DIS However, I wanted to give an example of a case in which a mistake could lead a family to become seperated and require a little kindness from other guests so they could become reuinted.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I will agree completely that it was selfish me not wanting to miss an hour worth of vacation time with my family. However, I completely disagree that it was terrible or even rude to ask a few people "I'm sorry - please excuse me so I can join my family". I don't think that a better solution would have been my husband/family plowing back through the line. Those ~20 people I passed weren't inconvenienced by taking one step to the side as I passed by. C'mon really it is an inconvenience to take one step to the left or right???? There were many groups who experienced a random act of kindness because they got to ride one log earlier because my husband/family let them pass by (because if I had been there originally they would have been riding one log later.) BTW, my husband and I were calling each other at the same time when we realized what happened. When I saw them stopped just inside the building, I moved along with the line until I reached them. The people who were kind enough to let me pass rode in the same exact log that they would have if I had been with my family when they originally enetered the line. We actually talked with the family immediately behind us (who I passed) about fastpasses. They were from Alabama and it was their one and only day in the MK and we gave them FPs for BTMRR so they really benefited from being so kind to me. This situation was out of the norm for us as we do usually wait at the entrance of a ride while someone gets fastpasses. Rudeness should never be tolerated but we really can't be so kind as to let someone pass without making a stink about it?!? Sad, sad society when we can't demonstrate a little kindness for others without thinking about how very, very little that kindess may (or may not) cost us - which in this case worst a step or two to the side - or in other similar cases an extra minute of wait time. There is a big difference in a big group trying to "cut" the line or some teenagers looking to get up as far as they can in line than a mom or dad who is just trying to get back to their family. I really can't believe that people can be so rigid and cold that they would have a family miss an hour of vacation time together and riding a ride together because of something like this.

I still can't believe that this is such a major problem overall that we have so many threads and so many arguments about this on a regular basis!!!

Honestly, in terms of etiquette, I think the polite thing to have done if you guys wanted to ride together was to have the people ahead of you stop, stand aside, and let the people between you and them pass. Would I have raised a stink if I'd been one of the people you slid past to get in front with your family? No, but the polite thing to do would have been for everybody in front to stand aside and wait for you. Either way, the event wouldn't have kept me up at night, I'd have maybe vaguely thought somebody was rude, but that'd been the end of it.

As for if it's hard to take one step to the left or right to get by, it's no more or less hard then having your family step to the left or left and let those between you pass. And, as you said, they ended up on the same boat as you anyway so, if they'd waited for you instead of you going ahead, proper etiquette would have been kept and nobody would have been penalized. And I think the big issue is here that you talk about how it'd only add an extra minute or two, but it's extra minute of wait time that you are volunteering others take as opposed to asking your family to take so you can ride together. Nobody should expect another party will be happy to wait longer so that your divided party not be inconvenienced.

So end of the world? No. Poor manners? Yes.

 

[goodfood4ursoul]

If you would have read my posts, you would have seen that is exactly what my husband did when he realized I wasn't with them. And also that when I was able to see that they had stopped to wait for me I no longer asked others to pass them. I simply politely asked to pass others when I couldn't see my family.

I posted my scenario knowing full well that I would bring on the wrath of the DIS However, I wanted to give an example of a case in which a mistake could lead a family to become seperated and require a little kindness from other guests so they could become reuinted.

You are right- you did
And what is worse is I did read your original post but got confused in all the back and forth in the pages that followed
I apologize- what can I say, it's getting late in the day and I'm not hitting on all my cylanders at the moment.
I deserve a or a for that one...

Please understand that, even in misunderstanding/brain fart forgetting , all my remarks were not aimed at you personally...
Obviously there are some folks who are displeased by line cutting and try like crazy to do the right thing ( and you did),
and others who do really don't care who gets in their way.
That's why we're all here talking about it
When a person asks nicely and explains the situation, and the other people kindly give their permission for passage, that is completely between those people.

It's all in the interaction between people- polite and considerate
or rude and the entitled "it's not a big deal" attitude.
Polite wins in my book every time

Once again, I am sorry.

 

[pepe of ohio]

I tend to disagree.... You leave the line you join up again at the rear.... Just common courtesy ... If others are in line ahead of me that you want to join up with.... They can easily pass me and join you..I've waited my turn, so can anyone else...

I've had alot of teens try to pass to catch up with others... Won't work for me, your friends can pass back to meet you.

If guests see one person or a group pass, they think so can we and then it gets out of hand... Obey the rules and common courtesy ...

 

[kaytieeldr]

If you would have read my posts, you would have seen that is exactly what my husband did when he realized I wasn't with them. And also that when I was able to see that they had stopped to wait for me I no longer asked others to pass them. I simply politely asked to pass others when I couldn't see my family.

I posted my scenario knowing full well that I would bring on the wrath of the DIS However, I wanted to give an example of a case in which a mistake could lead a family to become seperated and require a little kindness from other guests so they could become reuinted.

Well, it sounds as if you half-did what goodfood4ursoul (and some earlier posters) suggest. Yes, when your husband realized you weren't with him he stepped aside until you caught up. But you bypassed people waiting in line, stopping only when he was in sight, while he waited for you to catch up. You'd have caught up anyway, even moving with the line.

 

[Hannathy]

If you would have read my posts, you would have seen that is exactly what my husband did when he realized I wasn't with them. And also that when I was able to see that they had stopped to wait for me I no longer asked others to pass them. I simply politely asked to pass others when I couldn't see my family.

I posted my scenario knowing full well that I would bring on the wrath of the DIS However, I wanted to give an example of a case in which a mistake could lead a family to become seperated and require a little kindness from other guests so they could become reuinted.

I'm really curious how if your DH didn't know you were going for FP's and were all walking to the ride and just got separated he got so far into the line before he realized you weren't with the group? It sounds like they were pretty far into the line if you passed people and they still had to wait. I've been separated in a line where it converges from a group to a line but never more than half a dozen people. Seems like an odd situation if they were in the line for minutes before they realized you weren't with them. Weren't they worried what happened to you?

 

[AndreaA]

This debate is so ludicrous to me. Are people really arguing about whether or not they should be kind to others in the happiest place on earth? Whatever happened to strewing pixie dust and random acts of kindness?

Obviously I'm not talking about large groups plowing through, but I see NO reason for ANYONE to refuse to let a person or two pass to rejoin their group. There is no way I would be able to sleep at night if I caused a family to have to spend another half hour in line or more (assuming the members at the front had been standing for a while and would then have to wait all over again) instead of me waiting an extra minute or two.

I'm pretty shocked that so many people don't seem to be able to see the difference. By letting someone pass, you are costing yourself at most five minutes. By refusing, you are costing their entire group (including those who rightfully should be going ahead of you) the entire length of the line, be that fifteen minutes or fifty.

 

[maxiesmom]

I'm pretty shocked that so many people don't seem to be able to see the difference. By letting someone pass, you are costing yourself at most five minutes. By refusing, you are costing their entire group (including those who rightfully should be going ahead of you) the entire length of the line, be that fifteen minutes or fifty.

People who are rejoining the line are ok with me. If they were never in the line to start with and expect to go by, that is not ok. To me there is a big difference between rejoining the line and pushing past to a spot you were not in to begin with.

 

[nebo]

So is jumping 5 min line or elbowing someone to get,.. wait for it... better seat on Stitch. We experienced both 2 years ago during Labor Day week with empty parks.
First case we were walking on Buzz, 5 min wait, meaning you just walk on ride and stop for few minutes at the end where you can see like 10 people. So my DD in front of me, I am one step behind, we do not enter line shoulder by shoulder, weird, I know. So this couple running from the side cutting between two of us, then continue to run passing other people who walk already in line. Then 2 min later, we see another couple, older one, I guess parents doing same thing waving to first couple. I do not know what was the point of this cutting but maybe they were just chasing each other.
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we quite often run into the "you're not moving fast enough, so we're going to cut in head of you" people.

hubby has low vision; doesn't see so well in the dark (or in the "dim") we'll be moving along at a good pace on say, the splash line..outside.. then we enter the bldg.. uhoh! dark.. hubby slows down , I lead him (holding hands).. but people get real irritated!!! there's an empty space in front of him!!!! empty space MUST be filled!!!!! (same at buzz, nemo, etc) sheesh. they step on his heels, or squish past us.

now, we let them pass (only cause he doesn't want to draw attention to his disability), but inevitably we all have to stop anyway, and now they are just in front of us instead of just behind.

whoppeee!!all their rudeness got them one car ahead of us.

It did made someones wait longer, your family was suppose to wait for you, they just misunderstood you. You were not together, you were not ready to enter. OK, it was misunderstanding, they could stop moving and wait for you to catch up without you moving infront of others. You had phone to contact them. You did not. People who let you infront of them did you a favor but if someone would not you can't say they were selfish, you were cutting. What happened to you by accident which does not really change final result anyway, some people practice completely on purpose and it makes difference. For example TSM, some run for FP, some run into SB line to ride fast and then grab FP. Some are very "smart" and send family in line while grabbing FP. Their families not ready to enter, extra person does make a difference and instead of short wait you get a longer wait while FPs were also grabbed by those who made this wait longer. And we have tons of such examples. Does not mean that we block each and every person. Most of us letting it go even so it affects us, but we still recognize it as wrong.

I am the fastpass runner. I meet hubby at the END of the line. if he gets there first, he stands aside at the end and waits for me.. we join the line together.. now.. how hard is that??

 

[smidgy]

um, that wasn't hubby NEBO above, that was me.. sorry honey!