weapon detection at WDW

[Scrappy_Tink]

I get that. LOL

Problem is... What if I WAS caught? Could I be banned from the property forever and I own there?

There is a grander question here. I am a law-abiding citizen and I'll admit I never even thought about this problem before (and that's all you're getting out of me! LOL) but I certainly don't want to break any laws and I certainly don't want to get caught via some strange coincidence and be banished for life for it.

That would be my luck, I'd forget it in the safe and be black-balled from my Happy Place. If anyone knows the answer to his question, I'd really like to know too, just out of curiousity.

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

Just to intensify my argument above, I own deeded property at WDW via DVC. Technically, that is my home when I am there.

This should make for an interesting discussion.

Uh-oh, there goes the neighborhood!

 

[toddinboston]

OK. Here's a serious question.

I'm a law-abiding citizen from NC and I have my CCP. We have reciprocity with FL and all the states I drive through on the way to WDW.

I-95 isn't the friendly place it used to be, for those of you unfamiliar with the drive. LOL

Someone mentioned above that (I think this is right) Disney property was designated, esentially; as a no-carry zone by FL law.

So if (and I'm not confessing to anything here) I were to carry my sidearm on my trip and lock it in the safe in my villa as soon as I arrive and never retrieve it until I was ready to leave on the trip back home, I would be violating a FL law? Is that correct? That is RIDICULOUS.

So Disney wants to be libel for my family's safety while en-route to WDW since they essentially tell me that I can't carry my weapon on my trip because I can't store it on property once I arrive? Sorry, but I have to call hogwash. There's no way Disney can tell me that I can't legally store my weapon on property while I'm there.

I know this is OT but it's important to me and not totally irrelavent to the discussion at hand.

Keep in mind that I am not even talking about the theme parks or other areas. I'm talking about the parking lot at my villa and to the room and back to my vehicle. That's all.

For the record, I would never even consider taking my weapon anywhere on property other than my room's safe. I just want to make that perfectly clear.

For the record, you can't carry concealed in NC anywhere tickets are sold to enter a venue, whether alcohol is being sold or not. I'm pretty sure I remember that right so theme parks would be out by definition here in NC.

very interesting question bob...unfortunately, i don't have your problem because i'm from massachusetts...FL does not extend reciprocity to Mass. because Mass. doesn't extend reciprocity to...ANY OTHER STATE...we're special i guess...

and for the record, i'd never consider carrying into any theme park...

 

[Luvchefmic]

I think you make a decision you either leave it at your full time home or you put it in the safe at your home away from home....and if you think there is ANY chance that you may "forget" to take it out of the safe when you check out...then I would say the bigger question is ....should you have a weapon ? Hmmmm?

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Just to intensify my argument above, I own deeded property at WDW via DVC. Technically, that is my home when I am there.

This should make for an interesting discussion.

DVC isn't a deeded property that you own and can pass down for generations but a right to use deed.. with an expiration date.....meaning Disney owns it and you do as they want... So no, it is not your home to take your weapon to

 

[A Mickeyfan]

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html


Possession Restrictions
The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

That could very well mean your resort... even if Disney did say they were ok with it.. which they aren't..
There is a suit going on (not sure if it was settled) but a CM took his to work with him, left it in his glove compartment (which legally he has the right to), but Disney states it is against their policy..

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Pretty interesting........

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3096

 

[toddinboston]

I asked it as... I am from Australia where there is a small amount of handgun crime because they are outlawed. (lets not get into that debate) In your country every one has one !! I thought logic would dictate that every one walk thru a scanner at the entrance. But.... I am wrong. Not going to stop us going and looking forward to it.. life is full of risks.. (I jump out of airplanes on occassions. so I accept some risk in life)

But I would think walk thru metal detectors would be a no brainer Enough said... we know how strong the gun lobby is over there ( we see Michael Ms films here too)

to answer your OP, no, they don't have metal detectors at the park entrances, only visual/hand searches of your bags...

as to the rest of your post, if your opinion of american gun ownership is based on michael moore "films", i'll let you in on a little secret...michael moore is a ultra-left wing loonie nut job...on a good day...despite what you see in the movies, not everyone in the USA is walking around packing heat...

all the NRA (aka the "gun lobby") does is work to protect americans right to gun ownership as guaranteed in our constitution...gun ownership was never a guaranteed right in australia, and as such, when the government decided to take it away, it did...

 

[Luvchefmic]

to answer your OP, no, they don't have metal detectors at the park entrances, only visual/hand searches of your bags...

as to the rest of your post, if your opinion of american gun ownership is based on michael moore "films", i'll let you in on a little secret...michael moore is a ultra-left wing loonie nut job...on a good day...despite what you see in the movies, not everyone in the USA is walking around packing heat...

all the NRA (aka the "gun lobby") does is work to protect americans right to gun ownership as guaranteed in our constitution...gun ownership was never a guaranteed right in australia, and as such, when the government decided to take it away, it did...

 

[sydneysmom]

to answer your OP, no, they don't have metal detectors at the park entrances, only visual/hand searches of your bags...

as to the rest of your post, if your opinion of american gun ownership is based on michael moore "films", i'll let you in on a little secret...michael moore is a ultra-left wing loonie nut job...on a good day...despite what you see in the movies, not everyone in the USA is walking around packing heat...

all the NRA (aka the "gun lobby") does is work to protect americans right to gun ownership as guaranteed in our constitution...gun ownership was never a guaranteed right in australia, and as such, when the government decided to take it away, it did...

Well said Todd !!! I used to have a "slight fear" of guns until I started dating my DH. In no way is my DH what i would call a gun nut. Now, it IS his hobby and he enjoys collecting guns and going to the firing range. His biggest thing is gun safety.

What people don't seem to understand, and what the liberal left fail to acknowledge, is that the people that are the actual threats with guns are not the gun owners or NRA members. It's the criminals that steal the guns and commit heinous acts with the guns. It's the NRA and gun owners that promote gun safety. Gun laws are only followed by law abiding citizens. Criminals aren't going to follow gun laws that are passed. It's highly irrational to think so.

I also think that it's quite the blanket sterotype for someone from a foreign country to say that "everyone owns one". No, gregpso, NOT every American owns one. But our Constitution of the United States of America gives everyone THE RIGHT TO OWN ONE. It's part of the freedom and liberty that make this country still a wonderful country to live in.

Also, it should be noted that for those who have a carry concealed permit (as my DH does) you have to jump through hoops to get one. They don't give these to anyone who says "hey, give me one". People are screened quite thoroughly and vigorously. You cannot say that about the criminals that are carrying their guns.

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

Pretty interesting........

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3096

Kind of OT, but what part of this thead isn't? See, the problem with this guy is he opened his big mouth, or trusted the wrong person...or had a vengeful SO. I don't think WDW does random vehicle inspections on it's employees (I could be wrong), so how did they find out he had a weapon in his glove compartment?

 

[A Mickeyfan]

gregpso[/B], NOT every American owns one. But our Constitution of the United States of America gives everyone THE RIGHT TO OWN ONE. It's part of the freedom and liberty that make this country still a wonderful country to live in.

Also, it should be noted that for those who have a carry concealed permit (as my DH does) you have to jump through hoops to get one. They don't give these to anyone who says "hey, give me one". People are screened quite thoroughly and vigorously. You cannot say that about the criminals that are carrying their guns.

how very very true.. and just to let "gregpso" know.. I am an (American) United States Citizen.. born and raised here & in the 53 years of my life, I have never owned a gun.. so we all don't own them...

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Kind of OT, but what part of this thead isn't? See, the problem with this guy is he opened his big mouth, or trusted the wrong person...or had a vengeful SO. I don't think WDW does random vehicle inspections on it's employees (I could be wrong), so how did they find out he had a weapon in his glove compartment?

I don't know how they found out.. but they did. Anyone of your thoughts could be correct.. he may have even bragged to them he had it there & it was legal. He did it the day the new law had taken effect.. July 1st

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

I don't know how they found out.. but they did. Anyone of your thoughts could be correct.. he may have even bragged to them he had it there & it was legal. He did it the day the new law had taken effect.. July 1st

Now for the rest of the story (can you tell DH is on duty tonight and I don't have anything better to do.

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A new state law went on the books Tuesday saying people could bring guns to work if they kept them locked in their car. Disney, though, said it was exempt from the new law and its 62,000 employees needed to keep their guns at home.

Friday, a worker who protested the park’s decision told Channel 9 he was suspended.


The worker was well aware that he could end up losing his job when he took the gun to work Friday morning, but said that the principle at stake means enough to him that he was willing to take the risk, especially on the day we celebrate the country and our freedoms.

As he pulled into work, Edwin Sotomayor recorded Sheriff’s Deputies and Disney managers waiting for him. After he refused a car search, managers drove Sotomayor to their offices, questioned him further and then sent him to his normal post. Four hours into his shift, Sotomayor says he was suspended.


Disney told employees it is exempt from the new law that allows them to bring a gun to work, because it stores fireworks on site.

Disney told Channel 9 he was suspended because he wouldn’t cooperate with their investigation. They also said he could be fired for carrying the gun, which he says is about safety on his ride to work.


Sotomayor says he’s willing to be the test case for the new law, even if it means losing his job and going to work.

Disney is investigating the case internally. While Disney employee files are confidential, sources day Sotomayor has been disciplined by Disney in the past. Sotomayor insists he is testing this law on his own and hasn’t been contacted by groups like the NRA.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Now for the rest of the story (can you tell DH is on duty tonight and I don't have anything better to do.


As he pulled into work, Edwin Sotomayor recorded Sheriff’s Deputies and Disney managers waiting for him. After he refused a car search, managers drove Sotomayor to their offices, questioned him further and then sent him to his normal post. Four hours into his shift, Sotomayor says he was suspended.

my DH is in bed with a bad neck & arm.. awaiting surgery. Thank God after we come back from our trip.. so I sit here too...

anyway.. so they did search his car.. I wonder if they did his because they knew he was going to protest it.. or did they do random spot checks...

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

my DH is in bed with a bad neck & arm.. awaiting surgery. Thank God after we come back from our trip.. so I sit here too...

anyway.. so they did search his car.. I wonder if they did his because they knew he was going to protest it.. or did they do random spot checks...

Actually, it doesn't say if a search warrant was issued, since he refused a search, or if they just went by his statement. Anyone know the rest of the rest of the story? Me and A Mickyfan need to be entertained.

P.S. Hope DH heals soon.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Actually, it doesn't say if a search warrant was issued, since he refused a search, or if they just went by his statement. Anyone know the rest of the rest of the story? Me and A Mickyfan need to be entertained.

P.S. Hope DH heals soon.

thanks.... he hasn't even started with his surgeries.. 3 of them

Yes, I wonder if anyone else has any updates on this. I remembered when it happened, but haven't heard anything since then. That was when I knew what Disney's stance was on weapons.. taking this post back to topic Disney didn't allow weapons..

 

[sabrecmc]

I found this from an article about the Disney gun exemption:

Walt Disney World in Orlando is relaxing its restrictions on employees who bring guns to work.

The Orlando resort has decided that it’s okay if some Disney employees carry guns to work in their car. But Disney says it will uphold its prohibition on guns-at-work for employees at the resort’s main property.

The revision to Walt Disney World’s blanket ban on most of its 30,000 acres of resort was worked out Friday with the blessing from Florida’s Attorney General Bill McCollum.

This summer, Walt Disney World announced that despite a new state law that went into effect allowing employees with a concealed weapons permit to keep a firearm locked in their car at work, that Disney would be exempt.

60,000 Disney employees were told to leave their guns at home. Disney cited a special exemption to the law - a loophole for companies that have federal fireworks permits.

The Orlando Sentinel obtained a memo from the Vice President of Public Affairs for Disney World saying that Disney “continues to maintain a zero tolerance policy” for guns. Bringing one to work could be grounds for termination.

A Disney security guard tested the policy by filing a court challenge to the policy after he was fired in July for bringing a gun to work. That challenge is still unresolved.

Disney’s revision to its gun ban applies only to a half dozen off-site locations away from where explosives are kept. That includes the town of Celebration and Little Lake Bryan. Approximately 5,700 employees are affected.

"Until further clarification is received, Cast Members at those facilities . . . will be allowed to keep a gun locked in their personal vehicle as long as they have a concealed-weapons permit, the gun is not visible, and the gun is not removed from the vehicle or exhibited for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes," Disney said in a written statement.

The exemption still covers Walt Disney World Resort. As it stands now, employees and guests cannot bring guns onto the parking lot property.

Those areas where guns will be allowed, the gun owner must have a concealed-weapons permit, the gun must not be visible and it must remain in the car.

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

Disney’s revision to its gun ban applies only to a half dozen off-site locations away from where explosives are kept. That includes the town of Celebration and Little Lake Bryan. Approximately 5,700 employees are affected.

Does that mean before the revision that resident's of Celebration were under the gun ban too because of the "explosive issues", or just the employees?

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Celebration is no longer owned by Disney.. it was "sold" a while back to a company named Lexin or something like that...
I would guess they no longer have to go by Disney standards.. but Fl laws..