"We cannot tolerate this."

[Casemily]

Plenty of girls, and women for that matter like these games. I don't like all of them, some story's don't interest me. But the story line in assassins creed, halo, mass effect, those do. Age appropriateness of said games is another matter. But I also read a lot and I'm amazed that there are parents who allow their 6 year old to watch the twilight saga due to the material covered.

 

[Squidgyness]

The fatalistic attitude exhibited in some quarters of public opinion seriously worries me. There is being realistic but trying to change things anyway, and then there is being fatalistic and not bothering to even try. As a species, we'd long ago have ceased to advance if we took the second option.

I also find the penchant for blaming violent games etc to be infuriating. It's a cop out. Overly simple. Most of all, I find the idea that anyone who enjoys such things is evil and or disturbed to be insulting. I partake in such things but I also possess the mental capacity to create a sensible moral compass that guides my actions in the real world, as do the vast majority of people who consume such media. A tiny minority is portrayed as the majority and it drives me crazy.

I have staunch opinions on a lot of relevant topics to the terrible events that took place, but I won't state any more here.

 

[sunshinehighway]

You do realize that mass murders have no certain economic status, no certain ethnicity and are not only males? Mass murders have happened for years and that they peaked in 1929. The 2000s actually has less mass murders than the 1980s and 1990s.

I disagree with you about not talking about violence in neighborhoods. I have seen people try to bring the problem up, and try to come up with solutions only to be shot down and called a racist.


I also believe that violence in neighborhoods is one of the problems. Violence never stays in the neighborhoods, it will eventually move to a bigger area. Mental illness is another problem along with values and morals. We need to figure out what to do with these issues, not with the object.

In this case it was a little rich boy,which was what I was referencing.

If someone brings up the subject of violence in certain neighborhoods and is labeled a racist, perhaps their opinion is the reason for that.

Your response has pretty much confirmed what I was thinking as far as what you believe "the problem" to be.

 

[metalis4ever]

The fatalistic attitude exhibited in some quarters of public opinion seriously worries me. There is being realistic but trying to change things anyway, and then there is being fatalistic and not bothering to even try. As a species, we'd long ago have ceased to advance if we took the second option.

I also find the penchant for blaming violent games etc to be infuriating. It's a cop out. Overly simple. Most of all, I find the idea that anyone who enjoys such things is evil and or disturbed to be insulting. I partake in such things but I also possess the mental capacity to create a sensible moral compass that guides my actions in the real world, as do the vast majority of people who consume such media. A tiny minority is portrayed as the majority and it drives me crazy.

I have staunch opinions on a lot of relevant topics to the terrible events that took place, but I won't state any more here.

Since 8 years old I've played violent video games, watched horror movies and have listen to Death Metal, Black Metal and Thrash and I've never had a violent or disturbing thought in my life.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

In this case it was a little rich boy,which was what I was referencing.

If someone brings up the subject of violence in certain neighborhoods and is labeled a racist, perhaps their opinion is the reason for that.

Your response has pretty much confirmed what I was thinking as far as what you believe "the problem" to be.

I already stated what I believe the problem is, what do you think I stated?

I stated mental illness, values, morals and neighborhood violence. So what haven't I said that you think I think the problem is?

No racism involved with the neighborhoods. People just stated that because they didn't want to deal with the issues. These problems can be find in white or black neighborhoods, it had nothing to do with race.

My old neighborhood didn't want to address the problems. They blamed it on other people that had nothing to do with our area. They didn't want to face the problems. It was easier to not deal with it, they liked to ignore it.

 

[manhattanman]

I already stated what I believe the problem is, what do you think I stated?

I stated mental illness, values, morals and neighborhood violence. So what haven't I said that you think I think the problem is? .

I'm sorry but whose values and morals ? What if you and I have different morals and values ? Can I blame you and you blame me for the obvious tears in the social fabric ? What does that accomplish aside from balkanization ( is this your real goal?) ? And if we are to fix it, is the answer to get one person to adopt the other person's morals and values and how do you propose doing that when the two sides are convinced that we are going to hell in a handbasket due to all of the people that don't look or act like me ?

 

[gottaluvPluto]

I'm sorry but whose values and morals ? What if you and I have different morals and values ? Can I blame you and you blame me for the obvious tears in the social fabric ? What does that accomplish aside from balkanization ( is this your real goal?) ? And if we are to fix it, is the answer to get one person to adopt the other person's morals and values and how do you propose doing that when the two sides are convinced that we are going to hell in a handbasket due to all of the people that don't look or act like me ?

As a social worker, I have seen lots of kids that were taught no values or morals. So teaching any values or morals would be great. Teach kids the value of life, responsibility, consequences, respect for each other, respect laws ....

I'm not talking about anything religious, if that is what you are getting at.

The kids I work with don't value life at all, they think it's funny when someone dies. They show or think they are not responsible for their actions. It really is very sad.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I already stated what I believe the problem is, what do you think I stated?

I stated mental illness, values, morals and neighborhood violence. So what haven't I said that you think I think the problem is?

No racism involved with the neighborhoods. People just stated that because they didn't want to deal with the issues. These problems can be find in white or black neighborhoods, it had nothing to do with race.

My old neighborhood didn't want to address the problems. They blamed it on other people that had nothing to do with our area. They didn't want to face the problems. It was easier to not deal with it, they liked to ignore it.

You are the one that said attempting to address "the problem" gets you (general you) called a racist. If that's the case, perhaps that person- view of "the problem" is racist. I'm confused, who is "they" exactly?

 

[cornflake]

Neighbourhood violence? We're talking about school-based mass events.

Notice how most all of the school shootings of note have happened in very statistically nonviolent, non-urban, smaller areas?

Newtown, Littleton, Jonesboro, one in a town in Minnesota a few years ago, etc.

Even many of the non-school based events of this type take place in the same type of area.

 

[leebee]

This is a multi-faceted problem that will require looking at a bunch of issues if we want to try and eliminate, or at least reduce, these kinds of things from happening in the future. Aspects of gun control, mental health treatment, children desensitized to violence/death and are never responsible for their own actions are just a few of the issues that come to mind.

I think there are a lot of things that we can't discuss here that come into play in this situation. The biggest question, to me, is are we going to shrug our shoulders and say, "THis would have happened, one way or another, regardless of how society tried to prevent it," or should we try to monitor and modify as many of the factors as possible? NOpe, never gonna prevent it all, but I think we are morally beholden to make it as difficult as possible for for anyone to be able to commit these reprehensible acts.

 

[manhattanman]

This is a multi-faceted problem that will require looking at a bunch of issues if we want to try and eliminate, or at least reduce, these kinds of things from happening in the future. Aspects of gun control, mental health treatment, children desensitized to violence/death and are never responsible for their own actions are just a few of the issues that come to mind.

I agree with this and it will be my last thoughts on the topic. The mods dont want political discussions on the boards and I will honor their request.

I think that everyone wants their kids to be safe, the question is what is the best way towards this goal ? People have different opinions of which is the best way going forward. I think that if there were an answer to this, it probably would have been offered by now so we are relegated to " do the best you can" and hope for the best.

 

[CandyMandy]

How do we know she didn't keep them locked up? He may have searched for and found a key, he may have held her at knife point and forced her to tell before he shot her.

According to the information that has been released (cited in news report below), Nancy Lanza was shot repeatedly while lying in her bed in her pajamas and may have possibly been asleep when attacked. So her son obviously already knew where the weapons were and had access to them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249489/Sandy-Hook-school-shooting-Adam-Lanzas-survivalist-mother-Nancy-shot-face-killer-son-Newtown.html

 

[Robbi]

According to the information that has been released (cited in news report below), Nancy Lanza was shot repeatedly while lying in her bed in her pajamas and may have possibly been asleep when attacked. So her son obviously already knew where the weapons were and had access to them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249489/Sandy-Hook-school-shooting-Adam-Lanzas-survivalist-mother-Nancy-shot-face-killer-son-Newtown.html

Maybe he did know where the guns were and maybe he had access to them. Maybe he forced Nancy to give him access. Maybe she was awake or maybe she was asleep. We don't know. I lie around in bed in my pjs every morning drinking coffee, reading emails and disboard posts, paying bills, etc.