WDW Should Not Open in July. Discuss.

[greg9x]

i still find that preferable to being stuck in a canister like sardines in an airplane or airport where air circulation and oxygen are horrible. (in the current climate)

Not saying it's a cess pool of infection... just was pointing out that 'road trip' gas stops, usually involve much more than just getting gas. Although they are still another area of potential spread on high travel routes on vacation vs your local off the main thoroughfare you go to once or twice a week.

 

[ORD2KOA]

Florida is "doing" contact tracing, but the budget is apparently not in alignment with being a robust plan at this time. Oh, I know the cases are jumping all around us in central Florida (I live outside of Orange County). In a way, this is just waiting for the somber numbers to come in knowing that there is nothing we can do except stay diligent.
The thing is...we did so well for months and then something went awry. I wish someone could identify what that was/is and amputate it now.

I live in Orange County. I started looking around for more information today and hoped to find out if they're actually doing tracing in Orange County. I couldn't find anything on the website, but I found this on WFTV, dated July 2nd: "The state emergency operations center said it’s taking about six days to return test results. Pino said anything over five days makes the results irrelevant." So are they or aren't they bothering to trace? If they're not, we don't know what caused the spike - Universal, NASA launch, or ?
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/del...ult-orange-county/RYUFCLMSFVF6VDJDS2PR6MUV3Q/

 

[choirfarm]

So guys in Florida, true?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

 

[ORD2KOA]

So guys in Florida, true?

As far as I know, yes. It was 44 yesterday, so 56 makes sense.

ETA: Here's a link to ICU bed availability in FL:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...403-tasn7rj2vncsjivrg75wb6gqkm-htmlstory.html

 

[bavaria]

As far as I know, yes. It was 44 yesterday, so 56 makes sense.

Question: was all non-emergent/non-life threatening other medical treatment stopped in order to be dealing with COVID? In many countries where we have public health care, this was the case and even cancer testing/treatment/surgery was significantly delayed. We've been called the 'collateral damage' by politicians but the general consensus amongst many is that it's ok that the decision was made, even if it means higher deaths for us and delays in diagnoses for others. It's an ugly situation and one that people don't seem to want to acknowledge.

In the case of Florida, do you know if they stopped all other non-COVID medical care, except for emergencies? Or is that continuing and also adding to hospital occupancies?

 

[ORD2KOA]

In the case of Florida, do you know if they stopped all other non-COVID medical care, except for emergencies? Or is that continuing and also adding to hospital occupancies?

It was at first, but I think it was the first week of May that the governor allowed the hospitals to re-open for non-emergency procedures.

 

[VandVsmama]

Question: was all non-emergent/non-life threatening other medical treatment stopped in order to be dealing with COVID? In many countries where we have public health care, this was the case and even cancer testing/treatment/surgery was significantly delayed. We've been called the 'collateral damage' by politicians but the general consensus amongst many is that it's ok that the decision was made, even if it means higher deaths for us and delays in diagnoses for others. It's an ugly situation and one that people don't seem to want to acknowledge.

In the case of Florida, do you know if they stopped all other non-COVID medical care, except for emergencies? Or is that continuing and also adding to hospital occupancies?

The 'collateral damage' is coming. For example, I went for a check up today with my oncologist (breast cancer). She said that ALL of the physicians at the cancer center I go to are expecting an incoming wave this fall and winter of newly diagnosed cancer patients who come in with a more advanced stage of disease...which, in turn, will be more difficult to treat, MORE chemo, MORE radiation, MORE surgery, and a combination of all of that. She said it's because: (1) of the local shut down of medical facilities for awhile to all but emergency treatment & COVID-19 cases; and (2) people since then afraid to go for regular PCP check ups and cancer screenings.

When you catch a lot of cancers early enough, it's much easier on the patient. If you don't catch it until it's spread to surrounding tissues, then you're looking at multiple different types of treatments at the same time, each of which have their own unique side effects....often which also reduce the patient's immune system function.

I'm sort of 'lucky' that my cancer was diagnosed last year. If it had been diagnosed THIS spring instead of last spring, then I'd probably have had to wait 2-3 months for my double mastectomy....that mastectomy would have fallen into the category of "elective procedures."

 

[bavaria]

It was at first, but I think it was the first week of May that the governor allowed the hospitals to eopen for non-emergency procedures.

Thanks. That seems to be an area where it is tough to find the right balance - delay too much, and you have a huge backlog of surgeries and delayed diagnoses. Resume and you may have too high a hospital occupancy. There are some bad stories out there but it seems the general public doesn't want to hear them. Media is now starting to release delayed surgery totals etc and it will be a bad few years ahead for many people as they deal with non-COVID issues.

It's also a balance to find the way to shorten hospital stays. I was part of a test to shorten stays after a major surgery last year, which included strange things like chewing gum (which I never do normally). The goal was to reduce from 7 days to 5 days for that really major surgery. If they can reduce non-COVID hospital occupancy without impacting other health issues, that will of course open up beds.

 

[cmp3400]

So guys in Florida, true?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

Here is the state link
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...link&:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y

 

[gwynne]

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[bavaria]

I'm sort of 'lucky' that my cancer was diagnosed last year. If it had been diagnosed THIS spring instead of last spring, then I'd probably have had to wait 2-3 months for my double mastectomy....that mastectomy would have fallen into the category of "elective procedures."

I actually read you saying that a few days ago and agree with you. It's so frustrating to have people insist that health care is 'back to normal' when I am the poster child for what is happening to us right now having surgery/cancer in the time of COVID. I know a woman who had to choose - mastectomy and go flat, or delay mastectomy by months and do reconstruction. She's in her early 20's and went flat, which as you know means the reconstruction options later are extremely limited. She has 60+ years (hopefully) ahead of her with that decision.

And so annoying that people think of this as 'elective' - in a German article someone quoted me today it refers to 'tumour removal' as elective, so they insist it is non-urgent. And people don't understand that oncoplasty is NOT elective cosmetic surgery like a face lift, but that the oncoplastic surgeon works with the other surgeon to ensure we have some positive result after amputation.

Best wishes to you and to us all for good health.

 

[VandVsmama]

I actually read you saying that a few days ago and agree with you. It's so frustrating to have people insist that health care is 'back to normal' when I am the poster child for what is happening to us right now having surgery/cancer in the time of COVID. I know a woman who had to choose - mastectomy and go flat, or delay mastectomy by months and do reconstruction. She's in her early 20's and went flat, which as you know means the reconstruction options later are extremely limited. She has 60+ years (hopefully) ahead of her with that decision.

And so annoying that people think of this as 'elective' - in a German article someone quoted me today it refers to 'tumour removal' as elective, so they insist it is non-urgent. And people don't understand that oncoplasty is NOT elective cosmetic surgery like a face lift, but that the oncoplastic surgeon works with the other surgeon to ensure we have some positive result after amputation.

Best wishes to you and to us all for good health.

You're singin' my song! I'm sorry about your friend...it really sucks that her options are now so limited. So frustrating! When people hear the term 'elective procedures,' they do think first of things like 'traditional' plastic surgery such as breast augmentation, face lifts, nose jobs, etc.

But think about it...What if that 'elective procedure' is a follow up upper GI endoscopic ultrasound of your pancreas to see if your pancreatic cancer has stayed stagnant or has gotten bigger?

 

[MamaLema]

Again, it makes sense now. It is not a long term plan. So what happens when the border does open up again? Or is Canada really just going to become a completely self-sustaining nation. Because at some point, you won't be able to have both - support/product from other countries while continuing to keep your border closed to them.

It’s working great right now as a temporary plan, but you’re completely right, it’s not a long term plan. That will be the next big challenge. The whole thing sucks really

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Question: was all non-emergent/non-life threatening other medical treatment stopped in order to be dealing with COVID? In many countries where we have public health care, this was the case and even cancer testing/treatment/surgery was significantly delayed. We've been called the 'collateral damage' by politicians but the general consensus amongst many is that it's ok that the decision was made, even if it means higher deaths for us and delays in diagnoses for others. It's an ugly situation and one that people don't seem to want to acknowledge.

In the case of Florida, do you know if they stopped all other non-COVID medical care, except for emergencies? Or is that continuing and also adding to hospital occupancies?

I can’t speak for FL or anything outside my own area, but all “elective” procedures were put on hold in my area of CA in March and allowed to resume last month. As you’ve already discussed, elective is a very broad term - and unfortunately not terribly accurate in definition. Our health director is prepared to order elective procedures put back on hold if ICU/hospital space becomes limited. Currently those spots are not taken by very many Covid patients.

As it is now, all of our appointments start with telehealth. DD recently had some escalate from that and was able to see her doc in person and get an X-ray, but we are no longer able to book in person appts right off the bat.

 

[disneychrista]

As you’ve already discussed, elective is a very broad term - and unfortunately not terribly accurate in definition.

Non-emergent might be a better term for SOME of these procedures. I worked with someone who was schedule for a non-emergent surgery in late-March and it was cancelled/delayed. She was okay with it because she said "she'd been living with it this long."

 

[Christine]

And in other news elsewhere about reopening, here's an interesting article on Israel: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...141158-bfbc-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

Apparently they were doing very well until they reopened. They have managed to determine that the major cause for their spike has been weddings.

From the article:

An Israeli official with knowledge of the pandemic response said government researchers have traced the bulk of new infections to a single category of activity: public gatherings, particularly weddings. The official said a huge spike in weddings — some 2,092 between June 15 and June 25 — proved the events to be covid-19 incubators.

“You have people coming from all over the country,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of the matter. “They hug each other; they sing, they dance. That’s the ultimate opportunity to infect people.”

 

[WorldOfPooh]

And in other news elsewhere about reopening, here's an interesting article on Israel: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...141158-bfbc-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

Apparently they were doing very well until they reopened. They have managed to determine that the major cause for their spike has been weddings.

From the article:

An Israeli official with knowledge of the pandemic response said government researchers have traced the bulk of new infections to a single category of activity: public gatherings, particularly weddings. The official said a huge spike in weddings — some 2,092 between June 15 and June 25 — proved the events to be covid-19 incubators.

“You have people coming from all over the country,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of the matter. “They hug each other; they sing, they dance. That’s the ultimate opportunity to infect people.”

Once again, large gathering are the culprit.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Color me the latter....incredulous. Also in the news today is that dozens of Florida hospitals have, or are getting close to capacity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

[Orion Nebula]

Hey at least the Cast members are practicing the 6 foot social distancing guideline.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1280583868924428289

 

[WorldOfPooh]

Color me the latter....incredulous. Also in the news today is that dozens of Florida hospitals have, or are getting close to capacity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

The BLM leader of St. Petersburg just tested positive for COVID